Socrates Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Perhaps some need to become a bit more mature, respectful and secure (with themselves) before being able to participate in a true dialogue. Very brave to attack so viciously under anonymity! You may disagree with the OP as much as you want - but he is making some very good points. Some of us believe in supporting our team by imagining we're something we're not - the OP prefers to point weaknesses as he sees them and he makes a prediction for the upcoming Playoffs. I guess time will tell who is right. Resorting to name calling (troll, unintelligent, stupid, jerk etc.) just because you happen to have another opinion is pretty lame. Ganging up on someone with a piranha-style mentality is sad - it adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 What was the Canucks' demise in the Cup finals? Yeah, toughness. Marchand ragdolling the Sedins and nobody standing up for them sure shows no need for toughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Lets put it this way, we have a pretty strong team. Good depth. Do we think the Canucks have what it takes to get past 2 rounds? as Canucks fans, we believe that. However if we get knocked out in round 1 or round 2, will we be surprised? Probably not. Again only 4 teams will get past 2 rounds, so odds are really against us. So lets just see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieCrumbs Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 CUE THE HOMERS! HOW DARE YOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Lastly, teams have figured out the Sedins. Sure the Sedins can go and absolutely dominate a team like the Flames or Oilers, but they can't be themselves in the playoffs against playoff teams; they get absolutely shut down. This has been evidenced the last few years. Yours truly, Ember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17's heart&hustle Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 When we won 2 presidents trophies, everyone says "doesn't mean .... until playoffs, any other team that makes it can win in the playoffs". Now we aren't in presidents trophy contention and are one of the 'other' teams and people are all like "we should be 38-5-1 or this team has no chance in the playoffs" In other words, relax. We still have our selke winning center to play yet. Watch your team and enjoy the ride, stressing about AVs coaching style, apparent lack of team toughness, or whether to start Lou or Cory; the bottom line is that behind the screen and keyboard of your computer is all you have, and what you dont have is any control on how things unfold. So let them unfold as they do. LA won last year squeaking into the playoffs in the last game. Boston won the year before entering the playoffs somewhere between 3rd and 6th i dont remember (and im not going to bother to look it up, so correct me if im wrong). Every year we say that it only matter in the playoffs, so lets wait for the playoffs and see what happens. We are 8-2-0 in our last 10 games anyway, take a chill pill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 What was the Canucks' demise in the Cup finals? Yeah, toughness. Marchand ragdolling the Sedins and nobody standing up for them sure shows no need for toughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 When are we going to stop lamenting the Boston series? What's done is done. We can't go back in time and build a team to win that series. We have to build a team to win today and tomorrow. A well rounded roster will win a championship. Not a team of highly talented pushovers. Not a team of gritty giants without any skill. A balanced, well rounded team with skillful players, tough players, big players, great two way players, great offensive threats, great defensive stalwarts. The idea that any one type of player is going to make or break this team is just wrong. We cannot go back and win the Cup in 2011. Get over it and start thinking about today and tomorrow. You'll thank yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ember Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 The Canucks are fourth in the league in fighting majors (http://www.hockeyfig.../leaders/teams/). Can this thread end already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ember Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 LOL Messier in a Canucks Jersey. You would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ember Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 The Canucks have fought more than the Boston Bruins, Anaheim Ducks, Chicago Blackhawks, Pittsburgh Penguins, LA Kings, and SJ Sharks (to name a few). The only playoff team that has fought more than the Canucks is the Toronto Maple Leafs. I'm not saying that fighting=success, but if the OP is going to say the Canucks lack toughness, at least rely on a more objective measure, rather than your impression of 6 games you've seen from your parent's basement in Red Deer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 The Canucks' goons fighting other goons isn't players standing up for eachother. Say a guy like Dave Bolland crosschecks a Sedin in the back of the head and all the Canucks do is stand around and watch that Bolland get away with it... if the Canucks were any other team they'd jump him and make him think twice about doing anything like that again.... The Canucks haven't had a player like that since... I hate to say it.... Bertuzzi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ember Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 Why aren't you responding to the people making good points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 The 2011 Canucks were probably the most skilled team to play in the NHL in decades, yet they were trounced by a team built on size. Not one Bruin had points in the 70's all season long, but they had enough skill to finish us off with ease. Skill is great, but toughness is going to trump it every time. Simply, a good defence beats a good offence. You can't have a good offence without skill, but you can't have a good defence without toughness and size. That's all it boils down to. The 2013 Cup winner will have one of the best defensive systems in the league, and skill to complement it. We didn't have the skill-size combination right in 2011 and we definately don't right now. Teams like the Kings, Bruins, Penguins (after their acquisitions), Ducks and Rangers have this down-pat. Expect the Cup to go to a team like them, unless another team's goalie can trump everyone else's skill and size... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 What good points? I don't see any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ember Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 So now you're pretty much admitting that you're just trolling. "Super Mod" Patrick Kane isn't wrong that you have brought up some good points but to say that nothing has been brought back of any value to discuss is ridiculously stupid. So you're either trolling, too angry to see reasonable responses or you're stupid, You don't seem stupid or angry to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 What good points? I don't see any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 What was the Canucks' demise in the Cup finals? Yeah, toughness. Marchand ragdolling the Sedins and nobody standing up for them sure shows no need for toughness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ember Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share Posted April 8, 2013 Make up your mind. Your opinion is fine to have and you did bring up some good points. If you're not willing to have your opinion criticized to the point where it can't change wtf is the point of having an opinion? It seems like you're fighting really hard to be right...to the point where somebody in this thread gave you a response to a request and you just pushed it aside as if to ignore it. This is why you're getting called a troll. This team may go past the second round or it may not make it out of the first round. Nobody really knows. IMO we've got a lot more push back this year than this team has had in a long time. A lot is going to depend on how Kesler is when he comes back. If he goes down the same path he was going down in the 7 games he played I think this team is going to be a great deal better than it is right now...you know during an 8-2 run in the last 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecanada777 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Toughness isn't about having a bunch of goons who can fight. I'd rather have an abundance of top-nine type players than a bunch of guys that can't skate but are "tough". We have players who are capable of playing gritty games. Burrows, Kesler, Higgins, Hansen, Lapierre, Weise, Booth are all forwards able to hit and grind it out. Hamhuis, Bieksa, Garrison, Edler and Tanev are all top-four calibre players. They're going to turn pucks over. Everyone does. Shea Weber does. Chara does. Lidstrom did. They can play the minutes. The teams will show up when its time. They played a gritty, determined game against LA. Last year against Boston they played with heart. Even in the series against LA they had stretched of dominance. It just didn't work out. The Sedins are still top-line player. They sure produce well enough, even with teams "figuring out". It's wonder they score at all....Jeez. This team would be bottom-five without the Sedins. Without a doubt. They can play in the playoffs. Henrik was still PPG against LA. You can nitpick any team. I have my doubts about this team going deep. But anyone can go on a run like LA. But you're just nitpicking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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