hudson bay rules Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 no goalies are consistently consistent... unless you are talking about consistently bad.. if you don't understand that maybe you shouldn't watch hockey... Pouria was right, people are expecting hockey players to be robot and they won't tolerate bad plays.... The moment the goalie in vancovuer had a bad game, they will label them inconsistent or a choker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 You telling me that Luongo's struggles in the post season have nothing to do with this sheepish first line? Give me a break. Dont over-look the fact that the players in front of him always sh1t the bed come playoff time. If we had the killers to step up and score goals, that would take the spotlight off of the goalie. Think about what the Hawks were able to do with Crawford. He is a sieve and played like crap every second game, but they were able to step up their game enough to compensate for the weak goals he did allow. Canucks cant do that. What exactly do the Canucks skaters lack of scoring ability have to do with the fact that Luongo's play on average regresses in the playoffs? This hasn't been a one year issue, this has been a trend for 3 consecutive postseasons following 2007, nevermind the only 4 playoff games he's played over the last 2 seasons which weren't exactly spectacular. The team not scoring, which has really only been a serious issue for the last 3 series, should not have such a noticeably negative impact on Luongo's overall stats. "Crawford is a sieve and played like crap every second game"? Well despite this and all of those supposed soft goals he allowed he still managed to post a 1.84 GAA, .932 Sv%, and win a Stanley Cup. Luongo hasn't finished a playoff with numbers even close to that since '07, and obviously no cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Only if you add that he consistently gets 35-40 wins every regular season. It doesn't matter how you start a season when the team wins division title year after year. If we never got Luongo, this team would look very different. They would probably be hanging out with Calgary and Edmonton in the basement of the standing. I guess some fans are ungrateful of this teams success. I dont think anybody's arguing that Luongo isn't a great regular season goalie, he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 1: Lundqvist 2: Quick 3: Rinne 4: Niemi 5: Rask 6: Lehtonen 7: Bobrovsky 8 Schneider 9: Anderson 10: Backstrom 11: Smith 12: Kipper 13: Howard 14: Price 15: Crawford 16: Pavelec 17: Halak 18: Neuvirth 19: Holtby 20: Elliot 21: Nabokov 22: Luongo All those goalies I would take over Luongo ANYDAY Is your real name Mllbury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Lou's up and down like a roller coaster. Admit it. He's anything but consistent. Poor starts to seasons,, great in Jan/Feb when everyone else is battling mid season slumps and so so in the playoffs. You seriously don't see the flaw in your logic there? You're saying Luo is always slow to start and then gets strong while "everyone else" struggles in Jan/Feb. So, you're saying "everyone" has their slump months and that Luo always has his at the same time every season, but then arguing that that's what makes him inconsistent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonfruits Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 How many of those goalies reached the finals? How many of them are Olympic starters? How many of them have won in the Olympics? How many of them have been nominated twice for Vezina or once for Hart? How many of them have the Jennings trophy? You have a bunch of one season wonders and possible busts over Luongo who has proved to be great for over 15 years. GTFO with that list. The Vezina trophy he was only close in his first season here the 2nd nomination he was nowhere close to 2nd place so of the 7 season he has been here he really has only been elite in 2 of those years here are the stats to back it up 2006-2007 GAA 5th SV 2nd Wins 2nd 2007-2008 GAA 9th SV 10th Wins 8th 2008-2009 GAA 4th SV 4th WIns 10th 2009-2010 GAA 15th SV 14th Wins 5th 2010-2011 GAA 2nd SV 3rd Wins 1st 2011-2012 GAA 12th SV 9th Wins 14th 2012-2013 GAA 14th SV 17th WIns 35th his best years were 2006-2007 and 2010-2011 you could argue 2008-2009 he was elite but not top 3 as for the rest of his years in Vancouver averaging each rankings he is a top ten goalie but i wouldn't rank him as elite since really only 2-3 years out of 7 he has been in the top 3 in stats Wins 10th GAA 9th SV 8th Also i wouldn't put much stock into the Olympics its a different touranment compared to Playoffs and as for the Jennings he did have some help from Schneider and the Defense that year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 The Vezina trophy he was only close in his first season here the 2nd nomination he was nowhere close to 2nd place so of the 7 season he has been here he really has only been elite in 2 of those years here are the stats to back it up 2006-2007 GAA 5th SV 2nd Wins 2nd 2007-2008 GAA 9th SV 10th Wins 8th 2008-2009 GAA 4th SV 4th WIns 10th 2009-2010 GAA 15th SV 14th Wins 5th 2010-2011 GAA 2nd SV 3rd Wins 1st 2011-2012 GAA 12th SV 9th Wins 14th 2012-2013 GAA 14th SV 17th WIns 35th his best years were 2006-2007 and 2010-2011 you could argue 2008-2009 he was elite but not top 3 as for the rest of his years in Vancouver averaging each rankings he is a top ten goalie but i wouldn't rank him as elite since really only 2-3 years out of 7 he has been in the top 3 in stats Wins 10th GAA 9th SV 8th Also i wouldn't put much stock into the Olympics its a different touranment compared to Playoffs and as for the Jennings he did have some help from Schneider and the Defense that year First off... You're really going to give credit for a goaltenders award to the D?? But when Brodeur sniped that Vezina and record from Lu it was all the Tendy?? You're also going to give a the other majority of the credit to Schneider who played less games than Lu that season?? Come off it bud. 2006-2007 put up amazing numbers with no defence 2007-2008 was a crippled year for the Canucks and the only time they missed the play-offs since Lu came here. He put up good numbers that year with no team in front of him, thats another elite year. 2008-2009 if top 4 in stats isn't elite you're standards are too high, Also this is the year Luongo tore his hip. 2009-2010 Now a bad year for Lu, THE YEAR AFTER HIS INJURY. 2010-2011 You take credit away from Luongo he was the biggest part of their cup run PERIOD. Thomas had a career year and got the Vezina. 2011-2012 Bad year for Lu. Cup hangover and media coming down on him 2012-2013 He wasn't the starter because the goal tending was being mis-managed And here is the biggest evidence of a hater Also i wouldn't put much stock into the Olympics its a different touranment Yea you're right... Instead of facing 2-4 all stars, you're facing 23. Herpadaderp. It's the most prestigious hockey tournament in the world. Oh and being asked to represent your country as their best goal-tender... Yea... Nothing really there to say you're good. You can pick at those stats all you want... These are the facts behind them... You can hate all you want but it's blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 You seriously don't see the flaw in your logic there? You're saying Luo is always slow to start and then gets strong while "everyone else" struggles in Jan/Feb. So, you're saying "everyone" has their slump months and that Luo always has his at the same time every season, but then arguing that that's what makes him inconsistent? so, Lou isn't up and down like a Yoyo? Real followers of hockey know that Jan and Feb are the dog days of the season where injuries and complacency set in and that's when Lou makes his gravy, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 so, Lou isn't up and down like a yoyo? Real followers of hockey know that Jan and Feb are the dog days of the season where injuries and complacency set in and that's when Lou makes his gravy, You're solidifying what the guy is arguing... Lu is slow to start and then is solid all year and then takes the blame in the play-offs. REAL followers of hockey?? How elitist are you? How blind are you? So when Bob has a stand-out season it's because Bob was good? So when Rask does amazing with one of the most defensively sound teams in the NHL it was all Rask? So when Luongo starts playing good... it's injuries... and people not trying their best anymore and getting complacent. Man the double edge on this bull crap is astounding! REAL hockey followers and REAL fans of the sport know that Luongo is one of the best in the league PERIOD. REAL hockey fans aren't fickle and hate on a star player just because they like to throw blame around. You know what? Luongo let in 4 goals in game 7 SCF yup he sure did.... Guess how many the forwards scored for the Canucks? 0. Yea If only Luongo had posted another shut-out we would have maybe won 1-0. God damn it Lu, get your crap together... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudson bay rules Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 You're solidifying what the guy is arguing... Lu is slow to start and then is solid all year and then takes the blame in the play-offs. YEAH, the only thing consistent about Lou is his inconsistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 YEAH, the only thing consistent about Lou is his inconsistency. Reread my post, I spiced it up a bit for you haters. SJS series Luongo WAS the only thing that was consistent.. AND HE WAS THE "BACK-UP" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK-47 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 the only goalies which I feel are better than lu are Lundqvist, Rask, Rinne, Bobrovsly and Quick, i'd pick him over any of the tier '2' guys (except Rask), putting him with those other guys is an insult to him; he'll be back and he'll silence all his critics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 the only goalies which I feel are better than lu are Lundqvist, Rask, Rinne, Bobrovsly and Quick, i'd pick him over any of the tier '2' guys (except Rask), putting him with those other guys is an insult to him; he'll be back and he'll silence all his critics I'm a big Rask/Bob fan but they still have something to prove to me. 1 more year like that and my top in the league would be Lund Quick Rask Bob Lu HM to Howard Rinne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Sneer Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 First off... You're really going to give credit for a goaltenders award to the D?? But when Brodeur sniped that Vezina and record from Lu it was all the Tendy?? You're also going to give a the other majority of the credit to Schneider who played less games than Lu that season?? Come off it bud. 2006-2007 put up amazing numbers with no defence 2007-2008 was a crippled year for the Canucks and the only time they missed the play-offs since Lu came here. He put up good numbers that year with no team in front of him, thats another elite year. 2008-2009 if top 4 in stats isn't elite you're standards are too high, Also this is the year Luongo tore his hip. 2009-2010 Now a bad year for Lu, THE YEAR AFTER HIS INJURY. 2010-2011 You take credit away from Luongo he was the biggest part of their cup run PERIOD. Thomas had a career year and got the Vezina. 2011-2012 Bad year for Lu. Cup hangover and media coming down on him 2012-2013 He wasn't the starter because the goal tending was being mis-managed And here is the biggest evidence of a hater Also i wouldn't put much stock into the Olympics its a different touranment Yea you're right... Instead of facing 2-4 all stars, you're facing 23. Herpadaderp. It's the most prestigious hockey tournament in the world. Oh and being asked to represent your country as their best goal-tender... Yea... Nothing really there to say you're good. You can pick at those stats all you want... These are the facts behind them... You can hate all you want but it's blind. Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought we were a borderline if not completely a trap team in the first few Roberto years. This team hasn't had "No defense" in a very long time, it's probably our strongest attribute in the past 43 years overall. Luongo is a great goalie but stop throwing the word elite around, it's almost as miss used as "power forward" He is not elite, he will not be in the HHOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Sneer Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 the only goalies which I feel are better than lu are Lundqvist, Rask, Rinne, Bobrovsly and Quick, i'd pick him over any of the tier '2' guys (except Rask), putting him with those other guys is an insult to him; he'll be back and he'll silence all his critics So you would take Luongo over Crawford in a game 6 in Boston? Thanks for the post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought we were a borderline if not completely a trap team in the first few Roberto years. This team hasn't had "No defense" in a very long time, it's probably our strongest attribute in the past 43 years overall. Luongo is a great goalie but stop throwing the word elite around, it's almost as bad as miss used as "power forward" He is not elite, he will not be in the HHOF. Go look at his all time stats and then look at his season averages, come back and tell me what you find. Kthnxbye Also Puckdaddies opinion > yours So you would take Luongo over Crawford in a game 6 in Boston? Thanks for the post I would have played Schneider in that 1 game yes. would have played Schneider in that 1 game. have played Schneider in that 1 game played Schneider in that 1 game Schneider in that 1 game that 1 game 1 game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Sneer Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Go look at his all time stats and then look at his season averages, come back and tell me what you find. Kthnxbye Also Puckdaddies opinion > yours Luongo = Kolzig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Luongo = Kolzig Kolzig retired, Luongos still very much so playing... Lu is on par to finish 3-4th most winning goalie of all time ~5th in all time shut-outs passing Jacques Plante He is 3rd already in all time sv% behind Hasek and Thomas respectively He is on par to be the 3rd goalie ever to reach 1000 GP Thanks for the post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Sneer Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Go look at his all time stats and then look at his season averages, come back and tell me what you find. Kthnxbye Also Puckdaddies opinion > yours I would have played Schneider in that 1 game yes. would have played Schneider in that 1 game. have played Schneider in that 1 game played Schneider in that 1 game Schneider in that 1 game that 1 game 1 game CDC rule #6 If you want to be a troll, be a pro Luongo troll you have mod immunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Sneer Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Kolzig retired, Luongos still very much so playing... Lu is on par to finish 3-4th most winning goalie of all time ~5th in all time shut-outs passing Jacques Plante He is 3rd already in all time sv% behind Hasek and Thomas respectively He is on par to be the 3rd goalie ever to reach 1000 GP Thanks for the post Great regular Season Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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