Plum

We can't finish drives with amazing field position. McCallum with nice punts aswell.

Comparing Florida to Vancouver is a stupid comparison.

I'm not mad about Luongo or the lose anymore. All you are doing is throwing these numbers at me which have no point in arguing. That is what you've been doing the whole time in this thread, all about this and that in the 2011 cup run. What do you want me to say? Pittsburgh won with a crappy goalie, Lundqvist played well whenever his offense wasn't working...

Florida isn't Vancouver.

Come on, O line is so bad and slow, Lulay isn't using his feet either.

Okay, that is your opinion but the stats of 11-12 don't lie. But we'll wait mid way into this season to continue discussing this.

No i'm not, not going to argue with 4 people about the same thing. Again, the question is he currently elite? Answer it.

Quick had the Kings got to the West final, that is very good. But when we lost in the SCF and came back we just got killed. He was 36 years old facing superstars, come on man. He already proved he is the best goaltender to ever play between the pipes. This is what you sound like IDC IF HE WAS 36 YEARS OLD HE STILL SHOULD HAVE WON THE GAME AGAINST SUPERSTARS IN THE NHL. You sound like an idiot. I can't put it any other way.

I don't want to talk about because it has been talked about to death. Elite goalies don't give up 5-8 goals, please tell me why he played good in Vancouver but crapped in net in Boston? All he needed to do is keep the goals down a bit so we still have confidence when the guys were playing. You can't say that our defense was bad but then when we went to Vancouver they turned good, give me an explantion of the Boston and then back to Vancouver games.

Brodeur has already shown how great of a goaltender he is. He is the best goalie to ever play between the pipes, don't even try to argue about this. He was 36? At Olympics?

But when he went to Boston, you know what happened. All he had to do was show some of his magic at Boston but he didn't do to it, in fact he played terrible. I don't want to talk about 10-11, if he kept the goals down to 1-2 in Boston we could have had a cup.. But that doesn't matter anymore, move on to next year, if I don't see elite stats out of him this upcoming season then I will continue to believe he isn't elite.

They didn't have Nathan Horton, and they were probably bruised up aswell. Stop bringing up the past, i'm not going to argue with you. We don't have great goaltending, of course Luongo would start. He has excellent defense infront of him, if we still lose... I don't know what to tell you about his eliteness.

My stats that I gave were the 11-12 season, for both goalies. We could argue that our team was still devastated from the Cup loss coming into the 11-12 season. But that isn't a good argument. Quick is the better goalie and an elite one, so yes you are right. Lemon didn't think that our defense wasn't the best and "said look at their (Kings) top-6".

I'll wait.

Yet you are talking about the Olympics, lol. He doesn't put him elite stats, look at Quick and Lundqvist, 11-12 season. Their stats were alot better than Luongos, because they are elite goaltenders. Luongo will tell you he isn't the same elite goalie he was.

My stats are for 11-12. The last 82 game season, that's what my stats are by. And my game 7 SCF was directed to Luongo. Edit: Our defense was arguably better that year.

If you are talking about the 48 game season, it isn't something to argue you about, but if you want to see stats for a 2011-12 season which had 82 games in it. Here is some stats. Quick: 1.95 GAA, .925% Luongo: 2.41 GAA, .919% Playoffs: Quick: 1.41 GAA .946% Luongo: 3.59 GAA .891% Stats speak for themselves. He also shows up when it matters too. You know? Game 7 SCF? Ok. Is that your arguement?

The only thing you are nailing is your false statement of 18,000 people booing. This year was a 48 game season, I'm not going to sweat it, Quick has a ring, and a Conn Smythe trophy. Something that Luongo doesn't have, kind of speaks for it self right there. I'm not going to say anything about a 48 game season.

So because I face the reality it makes me bias? Yeah ok.

They could have been, but it was a shortened season so I guess it would be hard to argue if he would have put up the same stats if it was a 82 game season.

? How am I living in the past? You are the one, previously discussing about Luongo 2 years ago. The stats he put up in that year were pretty good? Probably the best from those years... Ever since that playoff run Luongo hasn't been elite, he doesn't put up stats like Quick and Lundqvist. < Those guys are elite goaltenders in todays NHL. I'm not talking about 5 years ago, buddy. I'm talking about today. You want to talk about 2 years when Luongo was elite, but now he isn't elite and you don't want to face it.

.

One second let me kiss Luongos ass like no tomorrow. Sound good? If you are gonna whine and complain about CDC and how we don't support our players then leave. Nobody is stopping you, I don't want to ruin your day. Anyways what makes you think i'm a bandwagoner? Just because i'm having a discussion with you about how Luongo isn't elite? Real fans face the reality you are obviously letting your homerism get infront of you, if you want to support him face the reality don't just come up with stats from 2 years ago when he was elite. He is he elite currently? No he is not, was he 2 years ago? Yes he was. You are coming with statistics from 2 years ago. Re read the OP's post, Is Luongo currently elite? Then tell me your answer.

Luongo never gets credit when he plays good? Everybody does, you make him seem like the unfortunate guy. Just get your bias out of here it's unreal how much you love him.

So Thomas won when it mattered and showed more consistency. How did Luongo win round 2? What if Thomas shutout in those last 2 games?