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9 hours ago, Alflives said:
Define core.
In my opinion our core is
Pettersson
Hughes
Demko
Kuzmenko
Miller
Podkolzin
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10 hours ago, dougieL said:
Joshua, Aman, Wolanin, Burroughs, and Jurmo are not even close to being difference makers. If you think we're done adding star power and only need to fill out the fringes to be a Cup contender, I would strongly disagree. Why would a team not want to add a cheap, high end piece, for free, in this year's draft? As many people have said here, the top 5 are very likely to be difference makers. That's they type of piece we need. Hughes, Demko, and Pettersson are not that elite in comparison to other `cores' around the league. They may be really good, but not elite.
We are not nor have we ever been bad enough to compete with the likes of ARI, CHI, CLB, ANA and SJ for 1 of those 5 spots. Most teams that have forwards on a 40 goal pace or 100 point pace or defensemen at a ppg or a goalie that is potentially a top 5 in the league just cant compete for the basement with those teams above.
Petey, Demko and Hughes are arguably top 10 in the league at their respective positions. That would be classified as elite.
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10 hours ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:
Oh no. Don't skip my posts. What am I to do? Good on you. You will be missed. I don't think I have ever said tank. Ever. So maybe you have selective reading or something. Too funny.
Lmao at least youre good for a laugh
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2 hours ago, dougieL said:
I actually don't see Bedard as the only reason to tank. I'm sure you understand that the chances are fairly slim, no matter where we finish. But, as you say, the top 5 are thought to be pretty special players. Wouldn't it be great if we could endure a little bit of pain for a third of a season to add one of those players to our core, for free, and to have them cost controlled for 3 years?
Bedard
Fantili
Carlsson
Michkov
game breaking franchise level players, im sure you can agree with this.
CLB, SJ, ANA, CHI
Even if we bring Petey and Hughes minutes down and give Demko 3 of 4 games, which of those teams do you think we couldve out tanked? 5 was always going to be our worst possible finish because those 4 teams are higher degree of bad.
So lets 5/6th was ideally what we wouldve gotten and a small chance at Bedard. 5-10 could potentially be chosen from the 3rd tier of 7 or so players.
I would be okay with any of Benson, Smith, Reinbacher, Moore or Cristall. All of them are at least 1-2 years away but have flaws in thier game compare to tier 1 & 2. Deep down im hoping for Smith or Reinbacher with Moore as an honorable mention simply because they fit a need 2/3c or RHD.
We may not get our choice if we drop to 10 but it’s approximately the same caliber of player.
Enjoy the ride. This team isnt going 14-0 so we likely draft between 6-10. Let the cards fall and be excited this team has done an almost 180 since the beginning of the season.
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15 minutes ago, dougieL said:
Because you can't set the goal of making the playoffs every year and expect to bottom out enough to become a true contender. And they don't even make the playoffs when they try. How many times in the past few years have they set the goal of making the playoffs at the expense of the future (Eriksson signing, OEL trade), only fail miserably? You become a Cup contender by accumulating assets and developing your players, and the best way to do that is to draft them, and the best way to get good ones is to bottom out. It's pretty simple logic.
That management group and coaching staff is no longer a part of this organization. PA has done well with asset management thus far. The Hronek deal might be up for debate but the rest were solid moves.
The only reason everyone like yourself are complaining is because of Bedard. If this was a weak draft, most couldnt care less to get argumentative.
I’d also like to mention Smith, Benson, Yager, Cristall, Reinbacher, Moore among a few others in that tier, will all be available in that 5-10 range. The chance at top 5 is non-existent. 6-10 we still get a great player (Tier 3)
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I wonder where Kuzmenko would go in this draft? The guy this management got for free last summer.
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2 hours ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said:
It's what happens when they don't commit to a tank and you have most of the same players from last year who think its important to win in the end. Oh well. 12th pick here we come.
Lmao broooooooo for the umpteenth time players do not tank!!!!! Are you selectively reading or something? You want the team to tank, you want to post it here in an open forum! Thats great, no one has the right to stop you but im assuming you come here to create dialogue and debate. You cant simply ignore the other side. Unless, this forum is like a personal journal/diary for you to vent in which case I will skip your posts in the future and just think to myself “i hope hes okay” when/if the Canucks draft 12th.
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6 hours ago, Alflives said:
Yup. I like how he’s controlling the puck too. He’s definitely turning into a possession player. I noticed he’s better away from the puck too. He’s skating into contact instead of taking the easy way out. He’s trying to be harder to play against. Maybe, if we don’t get a fair return in trade, we should keep him? He can carry a line offensively. Maybe a third line?
Agreed almost fully. He didnt have a great game yesterday but was surprised to see him win a few puck chases, skate speedily into a board battle, absorb hits, etc. It seems like hes realized that his back will be fine and he doesnt have to play cautiously or reserved. I have a gut feeling hes going to return to form next season and be a 30G guy again for us. Not someone I would even think about trading until the next deadline with the hopes we see the resurgence of rookie Brock.
I think he plays on Miller's wing next season with Beauvillier.
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13 minutes ago, Nave said:
No chance. It could be 10 years before Bedard is available again.
He'll demand a trade. He wont waste his career in Ohio. He'll be home sooner. BELIEVE!!!!
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The Canucks will draft 2nd OA after finally getting some lottery luck. CLB will draft 1st OA. We will draft Adam Fantili with the 2nd OA pick. In 3 years, Bedard will refuse to play for CLB and ask for a trade to Vancouver. We will trade JT Miller, Silovs, our 1st in the next two years. We will have Petey, Bedard and Fantili. We will win the stanleyz cupz.
Everyone just has to be patient. Waiting for God to return my phone call. I'll make it happen.
On a serious note, if we get 1st OA, do we trade down to 2nd OA for a boat load and then just wait for Bedards homecoming?
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11 minutes ago, Alflives said:
What do our lines look like if we keep Beau and move Garland and Boeser?
Beau, Petey, KuzHogs, Miller, ?
Podz, ?, Kravstov
Joshua, Aman, ?
Mikhayev Petey Kuz
Beuavillier Miller Boeser
Kravtsov Raty Podkolzin
Mcdo Aman Joshua
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13 minutes ago, Alflives said:
If Beau continues to play well I think we will offer him a new contract. Not too sure how much we would be willing to pay him though. He’s definitely a supporting piece. Maybe 4.5 x 4 years?
I think youre in the ballpark Alf but will all be dependent on his production next season. I could see him getting a little raise and sign 19-20 mill over 4 years.
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8 minutes ago, johngould21 said:
I believe AB will stay over Boeser, because of his speed and all the things you've mentioned. Garland should stay, he's been working his arse off since the coaching change.
I would really like to keep Boeser until the deadline next season to see how he does. With emphasis on off season training and his off-ice issues hopefully a distant memory he can get back to form. We have a sniper with Petey in Kuz. If Boeser could become the sniper on Millers line we would be set in the top 6. I move both Garland, Hoglander (love him but someones gotta go) and another small add to get another top 3 defenseman like Weegar.
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10 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:
Gives us many options as far as shipping out a winger.
Beauvillier could probably get us a 2nd and a 3rd from some team.
16 points in 18 games. If he keeps scoring at this pace we're likely looking at significantly more. Beauvillier in 2023/24 if has 45+ points by the deadline, we'll likely get multiple picks back. With that being said, if hes producing at near a ppg clip at his age, I would be moving Garland, OEL, Myers, even Hoglander well before even considering moving him. I've been really impressed in the games that I've seen. Even if he's not adding on the score sheet, he always has his feet moving, battles hard (although i think there is another level to this he could get to), positions him self extremely well in the offensive zone to help create space and doesn't make many mistakes.
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2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said:
regulars vs impact players.. when u are a bottom feeders u want impact players not just regulars.. u can get regulars outside of the 1st round too.. ideally u want to be drafting a players that can play in ur top 2 lines or top 4 pairings.. not players that are regulars but on the 3rd/4th lines or bottom pairings.. u can easily find those in the later rounds.. and no 6-8 players make up the core?? we are in trouble then.. we only have hughes pettersson demko and depending on how hronek plays he might be a core.. so we are still missing 2-4 core players?? miller u can prolly count as a core but maybe for couple more seasons.. and kuzmenko if he keeps it up.. so where are you going to find these "core" players most teams have around 4 core players they build around.. i dunno where u get the 6-8 core players from.. and yes all the legit cup contenders.. not the "playoff contenders" their cores are littered with top 10 picks..
Toronto tavares matthews marner nylanders reilly
Devils hamilton hughes hirschier
colorado Mackinnon landeskog Makar Byram
Edmonton Mcdavid Drasital nurse rnh
the only teams that are cup contender status that ain't loaded with top 10 picks in their core..
Lightnings they lucked out and hit on 3 core players in the later round that would prolly be a top 5 pick in a redraft
Hurricanes
Boston
prolly the only 2 team that's an exception with a really well balanced team.
and look at all the up and coming teams.. the ottawas tne buffalos.. their new core is again littered with top 10 drafted players.
Core (7):
2c’s - Pettersson, Miller
2w’s - Kuzmenko,
2dmen - Hughes (maybe Hronek)
1 goalie - Demko
how many of those teams have Stanley cups outside of Colorado since drafting all those top 10 players or have any recent success?
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38 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:
lol.. you talk as if nico hischier is a bust.. he's prolly top 3 in selke votes.. almost a ppg.. signed to a steal of a contract.. nolan and hischier were not CLEAR CUT favorite heads and shoulder above everyone else.. if they pick a bust? that's on them. there's no guarantees 10-12 will get u a "great player" chances good chunks of the players drafted 10+ usually ends up in the bottom 6 role.. you might have a odd one here and there.. but good chance u won't get a top 6 forward if u end up drafting forward.. how many players in the last 5-6 drafts drafted 10+ in the 1st round is currently a "core player" very low
Absolutely not. What makes you think anything in my post implied bust with respect to Hischier? In a redraft Makar and Pettersson go 1-2, all i was saying.
Actually they were in fact CLEAR CUT 1-2. Patrick led rankings all year until the end. No one in that draft made an argument for 1-2 outside those two.
I counted 5-6 players from 2015-2019 drafted between 10-31/32 that were regulars in the lineup.
6-8 players usually makeup the core. 32 teams in the league. So the approximate 80-90% of the 224 core players in the league were drafted 1-10??? Lol
also theres no guarantee 1st OA gives you a franchise/elite player either.
what exactly is the point of your argument? That great players can only be drafted with the first 10 picks?
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50 minutes ago, Westcoasting said:
Yeah you didn’t know? GM said as much a couple years back so I can’t see them doing it now can you?
Lot can change in a couple years
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1 hour ago, Westcoasting said:
Calgary isn’t about to start a rebuild.
Thank you for letting us know
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10 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Like it a lot but would rather get Tanev back over Weegar.
Tanev doesnt really fit in with our core given his age. We want to be able to compete year after year, no? Think Weegar allows us to do that as opposed to Tanev who in two years will be? mid 30's?
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6 minutes ago, HKSR said:
What do you want to stream? There's a site that starts with a P and ends in hub. Great for out of town guests.
Puckhub?
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6 minutes ago, HKSR said:
Was gonna post the same thing. Something just feels like the Canucks are gonna play a sloppy game tonight. Maybe it's the nice weather outside lol
Wonder what the Canucks records is on hot days as opposed to rainy/cold days lol
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We will not be rebuilding so long as Demko, Hughes and Pettersson remain the core. So begins the retool!!
Any attempt at trading for Hanifin or Weegar starts with a 1st round pick. Calgary will not be giving either of them away for less than market value. If they decide to rebuild as early as next season, which in my opinion, is something they should strongly consider. Allows them to move Huberdeau and others with significant retention knowing well they arent trying to ice a competitive team for the next 5-7 years and wont necessarily be spending to the cap. Calgary could potentially move Tanev, Markstrom, Huberdeau, Weegar, Hanifin, Lindholm and Kadri for a massive haul of futures.
Ideal trade 2024 off season LOL:
Hanifin (likely signs similar to a Hronek deal 6 -7m per) FOR 1st in 2024, Hoglander, Klimovich, Garland (they can flip at deadline)
Weegar (retention 750k = 5.5m) = 2nd in 2025, 1st in 2026, Karlsson (similar to the Hronek trade)
Buyout
OEL
Trade
Myers, Poolman, Pearson
Sign
Livingstone
2025 Season:
Kuz Petey Mikhayev
Beauvillier Miller Boeser
Kravstov Raty Podkolzin
McDo Aman Joshua
Hughes Weegar
Hanifin Hronek
Wolanin Livingstone
Demko
Silovs
Too much? Too little? I shouldnt smoke so much Honey Boba and Benny Blunto's?
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20 hours ago, EastCoastNucks said:
I know Millar has woke up to realize he needs to earn that 8 mil next year. but I would rather have Brock and Beau. thats what, 9? so we still need more cap.... so now Demko is value. another 5 Mil.
So why not Demko and Millar for whatever team gets Bedard. Bedard isnt a 13MIL cap hit in his first 3 or 5 years.
Would you do that trade if you were the team that had Bedard?
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1 hour ago, Gawdzukes said:
I have to chuckle at the confidently in the playoffs comments. Just like the start of this year when half of the people were predicting a division title. What a ridiculous claim for a team with such a horrible showing and not much in the way of ability to improve the group. More so huge question marks as to how we'll be cap compliant. I wonder if Arizona is predicting their going to be in the playoffs too?
All this after 5 meaningless games after a piss poor season of epic proportions. I mean hope is one thing but confidently in the playoffs. C'mon.
Call me an optimist. I've read enough about their underlying metrics since Tocchet took over, employed the eye test and have enough faith in this management group to make a bold prediction confidently.
Allow me to simply put a question to you. Where would we be if the current Demko was with this team since the beginning of the season and playing as he has since his return from injury? Demko has played 21 of the 66 games this season. If he played an additional 24 games at his current "level" and went a mere .500 (keep in mind Demko likely outperforms a .500 record), that's an additional 24 points. Don't take into consideration how others have improved since Tocchet took over. Lets look at the goalie position only. 24 points added to our total which puts us around 87 points for the season (top 10 team). Unless you think Demko is an average goalie in the league or that the games played prior to his injury were an accurate representation of the talent he is - Demko alone, in form, carries us to the top half of the league.
Add in Hronek who is a bonafide top 2/3 RHD who is producing at a 50-60 point clip prior to his injury.
Finally add in the current play of Pettersson, Miller, Kuzmenko.
Now don't forget to add in Beauvillier as well who has played a much more tenacious 200 ft game compared to Horvat and has equaled/surpassed his production since being acquired. Also add Mikhayev who was terrific but played the entire season with a bum knee.
I didn't even mention the addition of Tocchet, Gonchar and Foote who finally have this team playing a defensive structure and a system that matches well with the talent and skillset available to them.
So yes, I am confident we are a playoff team next year. I said that after taking my rose colored glasses off my face.
[discussion] forward pairs next season
in Proposals and Armchair GM'ing
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Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikhayev
Beauvillier/Hoglander Miller Boeser
Kravstov Raty Podkolzin
McDon Aman Joshua
Hughes ????
OEL Hronek
Wolanin Burroughs
Myers and Garland moved this offseason
Hoglander will start in the AHL in my opinion and likely be brought up to the big club post trade deadline after one of Boeser or Beauvillier are moved. Hoping both have a great season and we move Beauvillier for at least a 1st rounder.
We just need to find a top 4 RHD to play with Hughes (Graves, Severson, Gavrikov, Livingstone)