Kobayashi Maru
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I always liked Goldy, but not really what we need unless he’s super cheap and other wingers are moved out. Just blocks spots of guys we have ready to play.
Nikita on the other hand….exactly what we need.
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3 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:
His WAR is bad (penalties, offense, ice time) but his EV defense his second year was at 50+ percentile, and his PK at 45% (also likely improved) is good. So your eye test does match the analytics. Better defense, PKing, bigger, and more physical than Gudbranson at a far cheaper price. Plays how we wish Tyler Myers would play (although Myers should also be putting up 30-40 points at his salary).
Tryamkin is not a top 4 guy but I'd love to bring him back as a 6/7 as he can play both sides. Maybe split time with Wolanin if Hirose goes to Abby or can just flat out replce Myers
Good view of when he was here. This is when he was actually two years younger than Hirose is now. 3rd pair is the floor for him if he never improved over the next 6 years, but that is unlikely and he likely is a 2nd pair D now. He could actually pair nicely with Hirose on the 3rd pair and potentially work up from that to maybe pair with Hronek or OEL. I think he gives us a lot of lineup options and flexibility if we bring him back. He's right in his prime as well, so it lines up nicely.
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21 minutes ago, TopChed said:
You're overstating him as an enforcer.
He’s not an enforcer at all but he is a deterrent. Anybody on the ice knows that he can fight and that it won’t likely go well for them if it happens. We need that more than an enforcer which is not much of a thing anymore.
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1 minute ago, Boudrias said:
We could easily think of many scenarios that would cause some concern for whatever reason. Most of those concerns would never manifest. In the case of the Russian players how do you sit a young 20 year old down and discuss the politics of Russia in a serious way? Not saying those conversations should not happen. Bottom line is that a political situation might occur that will force them home and that would really hurt the Canucks.
Do the Detroit Red Wings not draft Canadian hockey players because they might not take vaccines? It can get to far out there. As a Canuck fan I have always been upset by the lack of Western Canadian players on the team or as prospects. Two of the greatest Canucks, Stan Smyl and Trevor Linden were Canadian boys from the West. Would Western Canadian players want to stay in Vancouver more than others would?
There are so many scenarios which is why you need to focus on the individual, and not where they are from. If we look at Western Canadian boys we could look at Benn, Kane and Lucic who have never shown a strong desire to play in Van and situations like Virtanen, where his local support network works against him based on his maturity.
Overall, we should bring in the best players for our team, that want to be here, and create a support network to make them successful regardless of where they are from. With Tryamkin specifically, I think he fit our needs and still does, and from everything I could tell and appeared to be a great team-mate (Standing up for team-mates, supporting leaders like Edler). He had some limitations because of language limitations, but I think the Canucks org at the time didn't support the situation well. Still seems like a low risk way of meeting a specific need within our team with the proper support network in place.
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9 minutes ago, Boudrias said:
Sounds very nice. Sign Try and there will be 5 Russians on the team and another 5 prospects. With the war in Ukraine Canuck management has to be concerned about these players being forced back to Russia. Concern can also be raised about our American players. The concern is different and likely not as concerning but if you ask Calgary fans they might have a different opinion. Why did Tkachuk and Gudreau really want to go back to the USA? Taxes? If it is taxes then that concern might apply to all of the roster.
Having these concerns is being aware and weighing risks.
Without a doubt, the team needs to weigh the concerns of that to ensure that there is not a situation of the Russian players being forced back (Would think that is highly unlikely). They also need to ensure that the players coming over are not in support of the war with Ukraine, but I would have to imagine any player leaving Russia would not be in most cases.
Political aspects need to be considered as part of the team evaluation from a risk perspective, but you can't blanket the players because of what country they are from blindly.
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2 hours ago, TopChed said:
Ya he won't be back.
Looks pretty fit to me. Commitment to fitness concerns seem a little overblown. Pretty sure completing the grouse grind as a 5'10 175lb prospect vs a 6'8 265lb prospect is a little bit different.
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7 minutes ago, EddieVedder said:
Yes and its no secret that a team led by canadians, swedes and fins are the best teams year after year.
It's weird then that Matthew Tkachuk leads the playoffs in points and Joe Pavelski was a major inspirational leader with 4 goals last night at the age of 38 after coming back from a devastating injury. When Tampa won their recent cups it was Kucherov and Vasilevskiy leading the way. It's almost like where someone is born doesn't matter.
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13 hours ago, EddieVedder said:
Dont really want to build team russia here either
You want to build a team based on where they were born? We are probably better off focusing on who they are as a player/person.
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24 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Who are Boston’s top two centres without Bergeron and Krecji?
It’s fine. They’ll just sign Studnicka again.
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16 minutes ago, greenbean30 said:
Yes we would get a big discount to Zadorov and Oleksiak, since they are much better players. Zadorov has been over in North America since junior and has developed properly. Oleksiak has also developed properly.
Tryamkin has been in the KHL, a league that is roughly the same level as the AHL and is 28 years old. How excited would you be having a defenseman who has been in the AHL until 28 and stepping in? I don't think any of us would be expecting him to be playing up and down the line-up, we would expect him to be a fringe NHLer. Which is where I think Tryamkin will be, if an NHL team even signs him. At this point in his career he will make more money in the KHL per year, and get more playing time.
Kuzmenko did pretty well in that situation but I agree there is risk. To me it’s low risk (vs contract) because of our specific D needs to compliment a lot of puck movers in Hughes, Hronek, OEL. Bear, Hirose etc. It’s also much easier to fit a defensive D into an NHL system vs an offensive forward. Smaller NHL ice surfaces also play to his advantage in a big way.
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1 minute ago, greenbean30 said:
I understand that Tryamkin and Myers play a different game, but I still think Myers is the better defenseman in all 3 zones. Tryamkin is big, he's got okay mobility(or at least did), but he also has played in a way lesser league for the last 8 years in his prime. I think he'll get danced in the NHL where the game is much faster, and the players think the game faster.
We definitely need a good defensive defenseman to play in the Top 4, that is not Tryamkin though. And I don't give Tryamkin a pass at all for what happened when he was here as a rookie, he down right refused to go down to the AHL to develop. He basically told the team play me in the NHL or I will go back home, he could have definitely used a few seasons in the AHL to learn the North American game and get used to living in North America. He was not some huge star before he came over that he didn't need more development.
As for your last note, I am 100% sure there are players that go over to the KHL and don't fit it. It's a different game, and nobody is to blame at all. I don't blame Tryamkin for not being good enough when he came over, but I do blame him for not allowing the proper development to happen. He didn't want to get paid less playing in the AHL while he could make significantly more in the KHL, and I can't blame him for that. He didn't grow up wishing to play in the NHL like kids in North America do.
Agreed than Myers has historically been the better D and has been paid for it. Tree is not getting that type of money and won’t. Different players and different values so not a good compatible at all. Zadorov/Oleksiak are good compatibles and we would get a big discount vs their contracts even.
Knowing the Canucks management he had, I still put more blame on them than Tree but honestly we have no idea. If the Canucks said, we want you and will support you in the NHL and then didn’t do it then I wouldn’t blame Tree for refusing the AHL. I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure.
I think he would bring an element we don’t have to our team that could play up and down the lineup for a reasonable contract.
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2 hours ago, aGENT said:
Sure, and that's great. He still showed a lack of commitment to training/actually hacking it in the NHL, and ran home to Russia instead of prioritizing his hockey career. You don't get to, or stay in the NHL, by dipping your toes in part way. That's not the kind of players we need.
Has he matured? Possibly? But anyone's concern about his commitment is perfectly valid, given his actions.
The concern is valid and needs to be discussed for sure. Maybe if Willie D actually talked to him there would have been an agreement years ago.
We have this giant assumption that he refused to put in the effort when he was here but what is that based on. Were the expectations even clear to him at the time? Hard to know if the coach never talked to him.
I think it’s confirmed that he refused the AHL but his contract dictated that. How many of us in our jobs would move to a new country, for a fraction of the pay, worse coaching/facilities, less quality of life if we didn’t have to. Very few.
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17 hours ago, greenbean30 said:
Myers is overpaid, but Myers is a way better player than Tryamkin and Tryamkin is not a replacement for Myers. I also would prefer if we were able to trade Myers, if we are able to get a real replacement for him, no where did I say I wanted to re-sign him. Though Myers at 4mil is a serviceable defenseman, and on most teams Top 4.
Tryamkin would be a replacement for our 7th D, he is not better than OEL, Myers, Hughes, Bear, Schenn(if we resign him), and is likely going to be asking for too much money to be a 7th dman.
Myers and Tryamkin are only similar based on height. Myers is a tall offensive D without the opportunity here for obvious reasons. He also has defensive gafs because that is not his true game.
Tryamkin is a shutdown guy with the size to truly punish players in our zone. Much more of an Oleksiak than a Myers type player.
We need exactly what he brings and I think we give him a proper shot this time. Canucks management/approach at the time are more to blame than Tree himself. That era was one of the worst for player development.
On a separate note (Not related to your comment at all) I’m sure there are North American players that don’t integrate into KHL teams well and in those cases who do we blame? No player will succeed if they don’t have the support they need to be successful.
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21 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said:
My rankings after the U18 Tournament
1) Bedard
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2) Fantilli
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3) Carlsson
4) Michkov
5) Smith
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6) Dvorsky
7) Reinbacher
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8) ASP
9) Leonard
10) Wood
11) Sale
12) Benson
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13) Yager
14) Barlow
15) Perreault
16) Moore
17) Honzek
18) Ritchie
19) Danielson
20) Halttunen
21) Cristall
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22) Stenberg
23) Simachev
24) Dragicevic
25) Strbak
25) Stramel
26) Heidt
27) But
28) Wallinder
29) Musty
30) Gulyayev
31) Brindley
32) Pekarcik
I think if you take Wood out of that list you have the Canucks list in order.
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To me the situation with Kravs is pretty simple. He has strong vision and ability which could allow him to play up and down the lineup, but his speed and play engagement just needs to turn up a bit (He seemed to stop within the play and took a bit to get moving again vs always skating). We have the right system and coaches for that, so it's a simple question of does he put in the work to keep momentum on this. An offseason of fitness/skating development along with a mindset of matching what Podz brings and we have the perfect makings of a 3rd line with Podz/Kravs and our new 3rd line C via FA unless Raty is ready. That could potentially be an X factor for us if they can drive the play with some skill against easier matchups. I personally feel he will be committed to it and it will work our next year.
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I think the question about Tryamkin being able to play in the NHL is pretty crazy. I think he was NHL ready when he was still a prospect, it's just that the situation wasn't right for him. We didn't have the right support network to get the most out of him and develop him and to be honest none of our prospects developed well within our system at that time (McCann is another example). Our coaching and leadership group now have the ability to develop players properly.
We also need to not forget that he was a prospect back then and is now 28 and a fully developed D. He played mostly key mins for Avto and can skate well, not even just for a guy his size, but in general. There will be an adjustment to our system similar to any player joining, but at least there is a proper coaching group to do that along with a superstar Russian D in Gonchar.
I would say the chances of him being successful as a bottom or middle pair guy is high at the very least. The potential upside could be huge as well since he is not 22 anymore, he's a fully developed 28 year old D in his prime now. I think he becomes our own Cernak-esque D-man within our team if he re-joins us and exactly what we need.
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5 minutes ago, mll said:
Will Rathbone really be seen as a sweetener if "he just hasn't shown enough in the NHL consistently" and he's now waiver eligible? He's not a draft pick or a prospect that can go and develop his game further in the AHL.
Mostly thinking of a team like Arizona where the cap vs salary could be a major bonus for them or another bottom team, but giving them Rathbone might just finalize it. He certainly doesn’t have a lot of value but Myers and Rathbone for FCs might work nicely.
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16 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:
https://canucksarmy.com/news/how-waiver-eligibility-impact-canucks-roster-2023-24-beyond
Summary:
- Höglander, Rathbone and Woo require waivers to start next season
- Åman has 2 more NHL games
- Podkolzin has 42 more NHL games
- Johansson has two years or 70 games before requiring waivers
- Hirose, McWard, Karlsson, Silovs and Räty won’t require waivers until 2025
How do you think this will impact off-season moves / the starting lineup?
-I think Hoglander makes the team as a middle 6 guy to offset a Boeser/Garland move, Rathbone gets added as a sweetener in a trade (Maybe with Myers for FCs) since he just hasn't shown enough in the NHL consistently, and Woo is a tough call but he'll have to impress at camp to make it. I'd love to see him in the NHL, but he's borderline at this point and signing Schenn or Tryamkin may make it tougher. Woo likely also has the highest chance on slipping through waivers.
-Aman is our 4C so he'll be here-Podkolzin will likely be on the NHL squad as a middle 6 guy and his performance will determine what line he plays on.
-Johansson will likely start in the AHL (To understand our system) unless he plays really well in camp
-I think Hirose continues to surprise and plays in the NHL due to high hockey IQ and swagger, Silovs plays as the backup to Demko, but Karlsson, Raty and McWard mostly play in the AHL next year with top mins and call ups for injuries.
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26 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:
Which of these players would out pick at 11 if available?
Leonard
Cristall
Dvorsky
Perreault
Barlow
Moore
Danielson
Pellikka
I think any of these players could be available at 11. Which one would you pick?
After his 5 point game I'm seriously looking at Pellikka but the talent is with Cristall and Leonard is a fierce battler and Dvorsky is like Petey lite.
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On 4/17/2023 at 10:41 AM, Kobayashi Maru said:
Here are my top 13 based on what our needs are. Would be nice if we don’t drop but I highly suspect we drop to 12….because…you know….it’s what we do:
1. Bedard
2. Fantilli
3. Carlsson
4. Michkov
5. Smith
6. Reinbacher
7. Dvorsky
8. Sale
9. Benson
10. Moore
11. Sandin Pellikka
12. Danielson
13. Yager
I think the recent start to the U18 tourny has changed my mind a little bit on some of the later picks. I think at this point, I would go with the following for the Canucks based on need vs BPA:
1. Bedard
2. Fantilli
3. Carlsson
4. Michkov
5. Smith
6. Reinbacher
7. Benson
8. Dvorsky
9. Moore
10. Sandin Pellikka
11. Sale
12. Danielson
13. Yager
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17 hours ago, Moe Knows said:
and he's not available until 2026 I believe...
I think I'd be willing to wait a couple years for a Bure/Pasta level winger vs a 2nd line or 2nd pairing player who will likely only be NHL ready at that some timeframe anyways
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6 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:
Kind of hard if Tram is playing in the KHL isn't it?
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2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said:
Pretty sure he's not coming to Vancouver. He has 32 teams to choose from now.
Highly possible and I would say likely even previously but the Kuz, Mik signings and Gonchar coaching may help move the needle towards us. I think he was a bit left to his own with no support in the Willie D days.
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20 minutes ago, MattWN. said:
Lmao, what?
Tryamkin is more Myers than he is Brashear. What the hell are you smoking.
His big famous fight with Jamie Benn, he literally didn't land a single punch.
He isn't protecting a f**king thing. He also isn't a legitimate NHL defenceman.
It's why he's in the KHL. I guarantee you, if he comes back to the NHL he's going to disappoint people.
He’s kind of neither. He can’t fight but he sure is a deterrent because he can hit and skate. He’s almost what we want Myers to be (Big steady RD) but Myers is just too chaotic.
He can skate like Myers, but is 30 lbs heavier and plays a more steady game. We don’t need a fighter as it’s not part of the game so much but we do need some deterrence that can keep up the pace.
I think he fits our needs, cost savings, and timeline well.
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Does he really bring anything more that Burroughs would? Similar size and approach and Burroughs is already familiar with the team and system. To be honest I wouldn't bother and would seek a defensive D with some snarl or just allow some of the guys we have in McWard and Juulsen to duke it out. Unless it's confirmed to not happen, I am still putting my chips into Tryamkin being that guy for a similar cost.