[(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller]

5 minutes ago, FaninMex said:

Sportsnet is saying that Miller is injured, week to week. No more trade Miller proposals.

No more Miller proposals?  Good luck....

[(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller]

5 minutes ago, fanofvan said:

So Carolina is going to give up this stellar contact in a budding stud Kotkaniemi, plus their #1RHD prospect, and a 1st round pick for a 2LW?  Makes complete sense!

All levels of grey in this one.  That is my assessment and why I would do the deal, but if you talk to some people Miller is a HOF/generational power forward and Kotkaniemi is barely an NHLer on an 8 x 4.8M contract.  The deal is fair for both sides based on the timeline needs.  Very few are saying it's unfair, most are just saying they don't like certain players.

[(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller]

6 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Haha, looks just like Jesperi!

[(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller]

5 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

I’d prefer keeping Miller over getting Kotkaniemi. 

It's not 1 for 1.  We would be getting other key pieces.  Kotkaniemi is just some of the cap offset and is 8 years younger.

[(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller]

Kotkaniemi is not the only piece of a potential return for Miller.  Essentially we swap a 30 year old 2LW for a 22 year old 3C along with 3.5M in cap savings.  On top of that we have been talking about adding a 2RD in Morrow and a 1st which could be something like Dragecevic or Bonk types who could be another 2RD. 

Offensive output gap between Miller and Kotkaniemi doesn't have to be made up from him, but could be made up from Garland, Kravtsov, Raty, Hoglander etc.  More opportunity for younger players to fill the gap as they emerge rather that just doing the same thing expecting a different result. 

[(Speculation) Erik Karlsson watch]

On 2/23/2023 at 9:40 PM, BlakeQuinnAndEggs said:

So pags thinks we could be an option for pool party... 2 first rounders Holland lol

Damn, bringing in Poolparty and a pick for FCs would be pretty nice.  Gives him and Kravtsov a bit of an audition with a huge leash as we are obviously in full tank mode.  

[[Report] Seravelli: “Some smoke around Kerfoot and Vancouver”]

I feel this will be more of a Myers retained (2M per year) for Liljegren, Kerfoot (Walks to FA) and a 2nd type of deal.  I'd be all for that or potentially replace Liljegren with Sandin, however I feel that Liljegren has started to reach his potential and is an RD.

[[Report] Seravelli: “Some smoke around Kerfoot and Vancouver”]

21 minutes ago, Makaramel MacKhiato said:

If we could get Lilgren with Kerfoot, I'd be fine with that

This is the only thing that would make sense.  Schenn for Liljegren and Kerfoot (Cap reasons) and then let Kerfoot walk.

[[Report] Seravelli: “Some smoke around Kerfoot and Vancouver”]

Just now, Kenny Powers said:

Kerfoot & Holl (both expiring UFA’s totalling $5.5M AAV)  for Tyler Myers ($500k retained)?

Don't forget the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks.  That's standard in every deal now.

[[Report] Seravelli: “Some smoke around Kerfoot and Vancouver”]

There is no way that we are interested in Kerfoot for the betterment of our team.  This is strictly to take back cap while getting assets in return.  Underperforming wingers are our specialty, but we are all filled up in that aspect.

[(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller]

Seems pretty obvious that any deal with Carolina would involve Kotkaniemi, not as the difference maker in the deal but as the cap offset meeting a roster need as 3C as a basement.  All of this talk of Miller being a great PWF and he has 120 hits in 20 mins of ATOI and Kotkaniemi has 80 hits in 14 mins of ATOI.  That's pretty close once you compensate the icetime and the fact that Kotkaniemi has played C more where you aren't being the main player on the forecheck.  

 

We can afford to lose Miller if we get three strong pieces (Including an RD) back.

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1 minute ago, EternalCanuckFan said:

It's definitely suspicious but could genuinely be an injury. Miller was hit by the puck a couple games in a row and seemed to be hurt but played through it. Both times it seemed to catch him in the mid-section which isn't quite "lower body" but who knows.

 

At minimum, Miller missing time increases the likelihood of a tank to close out the season, so it may end up benefiting the Canucks anyway.

 

If the Canucks can draft in the top-3, then they're going to have one heck of a player even if it's not Bedard.

Definitely true.  Him out of the lineup does help the tank, so there is a positive in that regard at a minimum.  Him being moved would just be the right steps for us as a franchise.  We could immediately have a wealth of NHL ready prospects any many positions giving us a few years for them to develop and fill in the gaps as needed.

[(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller]

Still don't think the injury lines up without it being related to a trade.  They are just doing it better than most teams by not stating it as "trade related reasons".  Did he come up lame in the last game?  Will he actually go to IR?  I think he will be traded to the highest bidder.

 

All this talk of him being a "great" PWF is nonsense.  He's not a top hitter in the league, doesn't drive the net with consistency and it's a presence on the ice that other teams need to compensate for.  He is a bigger player with a good shot, that is strong on the puck that gets a decent amount of points.  He can help be a strong complimentary piece for a contender (Would be for us if we were at that point, but we're not), but he's not a player that we build upon especially with his age.  

 

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8 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Since when was the CBC trustworthy as a source?

 

When Ian Hanomansing confirms the rumour you know it's true.

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6 minutes ago, Boknows08 said:

I wonder about a 3way. Morrow might not even sign with us. Peeke has experience playing top pair and could slot next to Hughes right away. Peekes name is out there with Jiricek and Cuelemans coming. 
 

Van- Jk, Peeke

Car- Miller 

Cbj- picks, prospects

 

Probably don’t get the 1st though

If we ended up with Kotkaniemi and Peeke and 3.5M cap room for Miller that would be a win in my books.

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6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Guys on 650 talking about JTM and the Canes. We could retain on JTM this season, and take back JK's contract. So the Canes don't have any cap issues.  Next year's JTM"s raise is (mostly) covered by Staal being a UFA. He's a six mil cap coming off their books. 

It's a perfect fit for both teams especially if we get Kotkaniemi, a strong D prospect and a pick, we meet our needs.

[(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller]

18 minutes ago, Provost said:

If Miller gets traded, you know the brass is starting to “get” the market and the forum here.

 

Of course you know what that means next…. :D

 

 

Sure hope so.  Bringing in the new guard.  If people think Miller is tough (He's not really, just has a tough look on his face), Tree is as tough as they come.  That is the level of deterrent we need for our skilled players.  Tree and Schenn on the backend meets the need very well.

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19 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Hmm, trade deadline is in about a week.  Nice of the team to give him some time get his things sorted before the trade to Carolina for Kotkaniemi, Morrow and a 1st.  

[[Rumour] Canucks getting calls on Thatcher Demko]

2 minutes ago, DeNiro said:

Prepare to be disappointed. 
 

Neither player is going anywhere.

I’ll prepare but I won’t truly believe we stand pat until Friday 

[[Rumour] Canucks getting calls on Thatcher Demko]

If we:

 

-Trade Demko for Peterson, Grans and a 1st

-Trade Miller for Kotkaniemi, Morrow and a 1st

-Sign Livingstone

 

Then we have our 3 young RDs of the future and four 1sts this draft.  Still need to sort out the goalie situation but maybe we sign Jarry with Silovs waiting in the wings.  Ready for stuff to happen.

[[Trade] Predators trade Tanner Jeannot to Lightning for Cal Foote, 2025 1st-round pick, 2024 2nd-round pick, 2023 3rd-round pick, 2023 4th-round pick, 2023 5th-round pick]

9 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

I'm just curious as to how the negotiations went.  I mean did Nashville refuse the deal unless Tampa included their 5th round pick?  I mean when do you stop negotiating with something like that?  Does it depend who is more drunk?

I can’t even fathom it.  In most situations I would say Jeannot for a 2nd alone is fair.  The rest is beyond imagination.  

[(Rumour) 4 teams interested in J.T. Miller]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

Why move Myers now?  Why not wait until next tdl and actually get something for him?  It's not like they're competing for a Cup next season 

All depends on the roster adds.  If we get Morrow in a Miller trade, sign Livingstone/Schenn and retain Bear, we should move him to not block the future but if those things don’t happen, you’re right, we could just wait and get something better next deadline.

[[Trade] Predators trade Tanner Jeannot to Lightning for Cal Foote, 2025 1st-round pick, 2024 2nd-round pick, 2023 3rd-round pick, 2023 4th-round pick, 2023 5th-round pick]

3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Joshua actually has more goals than Jeannot.  Joshua has 8 and Jeannot has 5...

That should allow us to squeeze a 6th rounder out of someone too 

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1 minute ago, ktcy2 said:

Let’s just keep JT. At worst he is a 60-70 point guy. Whatever. The problem we have are the OELs and Myers, not JT.

Three very different situations:

 

-Miller’s value will drop after this year but this deadline he could return three strong young pieces for our major surgery.

 

-OEL has been hampered by no defensive system and overcompensating for weak RDs. I still believe he is worth his contract and his perceived value is not there for a trade.  Buyout talk on OEL is complete nonsense.

 

-Myers needs to go because his offence has mostly left him and he is not committed to being a defensive D.  He still roams around where he shouldn’t too often.  Retain and move him for whatever you can.

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Miller for Kotkaniemi, Morrow and a 1st just makes too much sense for both teams.  Cap works, needs work, timelines work…..just do it.  
 

Nikishin is also very intriguing in place of the first.  Couple more of these moves and our surgery may be successful.