Highstickin

Van: - Miller ($2,000,000 retained on remainder of current deal) - Schenn Pitt: - Kapanen - Pickering - 2023 1st - 2024 2nd Pitt has the cap space next year to deal with Miller's new contract and he fits their age window to compete with Sid and Malkin. Schenn helps with a playoff push this year and plays the way Burke likes. The retention is for the current contract only and helps the Pens make further moves at the deadline, this is offset by the 2024 2nd. The $2M essentially makes the money in/out equal. Maybe there needs to be some pieces added to balance this out a bit, but might be a start for us to move the Miller contract.

Would you then consider allowing performance bonuses for all players throughout their careers? The bonuses would count towards the cap and reward players that are significantly overperforming on their contracts. You can't put forward a proposal that only benefits the one side (i.e. owners or players) or it would never get through CBA negotiations.

Why give trash management and their poor decision making an easy way out? You said everyone is getting paid but who is putting the money in front of the players. GMs and management teams are in place to ensure they can build a competitive roster within the confines of a cost certainty structure. Sometimes they make risky decisions that don't work out. What do those teams/GMs learn if you give them an easy way out that does not impact the team performance? I think the hard cap actually helps to correct the exact problem you are outlining. Teams find out quickly that giving long term, high dollar contracts can lead to huge problems down the road if given to the wrong players or is not balanced throughout the line up. In fact we see evidence of this in the league right now. Not a single player on a $10M+ contract has wont he cup, why? Is this not something management all around the league should be looking at?

I would argue this propsal is actually a retool proposal that happens to include Demko, unlike some others that are rebuild proposals including Demko. In return for moving Demko we clear cap space (rid ourselves of OEL contract), which is also one of managements priorities, we bring in a vet goalie (Bob), we acquire a young center and a 1st round pick. This isn't moving Demko for 2 1st and a second or a prospect and a 1st, this is an NHL goalie, a young C currently in the NHL plus a pick. I see that package as retool not rebuild.

If the Islanders do try flipping Bo at the deadline than thats great news for us. Could they get more in return than we did, no! because if the Islanders turn into sellers we most certainly have their lottery pick in 2024. That roster is not built for the long term and if they fail this season, next season does not get better. What could NYI's possibly get thats better than a top prospect, a lottery pick and a roster player (call him a cap dump if you want but he is a serviceable 2-3 line winger).

Based on the last 152 pages I would say he's not alone.

For years this team has been floating without a clear path forward. Trading for players (OEL), signing free agents (Beagle, Rous) and to a certain degree drafting (or trading of draft picks prior to having a competing roster) have all lead to a team without an identity. I am glad management came out and said we need to get younger and faster, here is what we are looking for and we won't sell without it. Say the Blues were willing to put ROR out there in a trade for Bo, would you accept it as the canucks? Why would you when it doesn't really fit with the core age or window for competing. If you think this team is going to compete in the next 2 seasons, maybe thats where we should start.

The issue I see it that your hoping for a bidding war, it is not a guarantee. I also think a 13-20th pick this year (or possible lottery next year) is far more valuable than a package including 30th, 60th and a second next year which will likely fall in that same range.

You could be right considering Pitt didn't have a selection in the 2021 draft prior to Raty being selected. Maybe PA thought he would fall a few more picks to them or wasn't willing to pay the price at the time to move up.

I also don't know why we need to compare Brock to AB before they have even hit the ice. As pointed out in this thread many times, they are completely different players that serve different roles on the team. I say let them play a few games to see how AB adjusts to the new teammates and systems before we assume he maintains his NYI's production. Who knows, maybe Brock and AB play on a line together and their differences in playing style actually complement each other to the point they both play up to their contracts. I like the fact that we get 5 weeks before the deadline to see how this acquisition works out.

I agree. My first thought was disappointment that the pick was protected up to 12th but after looking at it, I think the Islanders are more likely to fall out of contention than climb into it. I know this draft is deep (and will admit I don't know much about next years), but looking at the current Islanders roster it's hard to see how they will be better next year with 11 players over the age of 30 and only 2 of those on expiring contracts. I like the 2023 draft but I feel this could easily end up a high 2024 pick, which I would take over a 8-12 pick this year.

If we didn't take AB back in this trade we don't get Raty and a 1st. Maybe you get one but not both for a rental Bo. AB is our cap dump to get a 1st. The other thing to think about it that this 1st will likely be 13-20 overall this year or next. If we don't take NYI cap dump for 13-20 and instead take Boston's or Toronto's where does that 1st end up? 25-32? What is the cost for us to move from 25-32 to 13-20? At recent drafts the cost to move up has been crazy. My take on draft picks in the 1st round; Quality>Quantity. I will take the NYI's cap dump and 1st over pretty much any other contender.

Offers get worse closer to the deadline when contending teams trade for players not from the Canucks because our asking price is too high. There are lots of players available this year and holding out to get a larger return could land you without a dance partner come deadline day. Just look at what happened last year with Miller. We waited and held out for a better return, which never happened, and then we were forced to either sign him to a contract that he will struggle to live up to or lose him on the open market. The exact same scenario could have easily happened with Bo.

Agreed, they also have plenty of cap space entering next year to retain anyone they trade for. Hard to say what Pacioretty would be looking for next year if they want to keep him but can't imagine he will get another 7M, and doubt Staal will need 6M again next year given age and production this year. Maybe they would be interested in a Miller conversation given their situation?

Fair, I hadn't really considered Miller's expiring deal. Unfortunately for the canucks I don't think Miller's season so far has many teams lining up to take on his extension.

Even if Pearson on LTIR gives management some room to work, we should not even consider retaining on Miller or Boeser in any trade. If we want to weaponize it on a rental trade (i.e. Bo) or a cap dump coming in that expires at the end of this season than maybe but we cannot carry retained salary for the length of Boeser's contract and certainly not Miller's. We are about to work ourselves out of dead cap space this season, lets not waste it moving forward.

Playing in Edmonton does that to a guy.

I was with you up until the bold part, it kinda went off the rails for a minute. The thing is, it's not a one size fits all statement when it comes to prospects and when the enter the NHL. Should Hughes and Petterson played in the AHL, maybe but I don't think it really would have affected the outcome. Should Hoglander have played in the AHL, yes. Some of our prospects were getting Calder votes but at the end of the day I am far less concerned with our prospects winning Calders and more concerned with our prospects being solid NHLers when they step into the league and developing a consistent game. I think the rush to get prospects to the NHL in the past comes from a gap in succession planning on the roster. When the Sedin's stepped away, Gagne & Vanek were moved all within one season, it forced those prospects into action early.

Wait a minute, a lamp? Where did they find the money for a lamp? ... or did they borrow it from the ASU library?

I think there is about a zero percent chance Montreal moves the pick with the draft at home but lets have some fun with it. Arizona, who is desperate to show everyone they are in fact an NHL team and better than the college team they are about to share a rink with, makes a massive deal. To Arizona: 1 OA - Pick Shane Wright To Montreal 3OA - Juraj Slafkovsky Carolina's 2022 1st Jakob Chychrun Feeling a financial pinch, Arizona reduces their scouting staff to 1 person and simply reads the central scouting report and drafts accordingly. Their single scout realized Wright was an exceptional status player (reviews list of other exceptional status players) and determines he will be the best player in the NHL. Years later, Wright is hampered by the development system used by the yotes and is clearly outplayed by Slafkovsky and whoever Montreal picks with the Carolina pick. Montreal then trades for Wright in 2026, sending what's left of Brendan Gallagher to the desert as a retirement gift. Typical Arizona!

Totally agree, the rags currently have 7.3 mil in cap space to start the off season needing to sign 2/3 of their second line, 3 of their bottom 6 and a back up goalie. Then on top of that we are trying to trade them a player making 5.25 mil and an RFA that will likely get close to 1 mil contract while taking back two ELCs. The rags are currently being humbled by the pens in the first round and if they do finish them off, what makes us think they would be interested in boosting their offense at the expense of good young defensemen? They have given up 7 goals in both of their last two games, doesn't really sound like an offense problem to me.

That is a fairly heavy oversimplification of a player and contract. I think 7.26 mill is high for what we received from OEL this season but to just state a defensemen is worth his contract or not by $/point is shortsighted. With this thinking will we end up going full Coilers and only value offensive players that produce high $/points ratios while having infinite number of defensive liabilities? I think the tough part for skilled defensive players is that the stats are not as simple to measure and quantify so how do we know if we are over or under paying them based on their skills. If we over value offensive play we run the risk of relying even heavier on Demko, however if we over value perceived defensive skills (such as Dickinson) we could overpay for a player that is not really brining much value as either end of the ice. The canucks were 8th in the league in goals against, some things defensively were going right for that to happen. Yes we have Demko, but there were some good things happening in front of him too.

We will have to agree to disagree on this I think. I wasn't suggesting going after Schneider, Lundkvist or Deangelo, those are the guys I see stepping up for their respective teams to free up the guys I mentioned targeting. Vancouver has a bad history of signing free agents to try and plug holes, just to later look for places to dump said players (look at Meyers). I understand it is a new management group but if we look at the Pittsburg team that this group had a large hand in creating, not a single key asset to that team was signed out of free agency. Any top pair guys that make it to free agency are looking for a massive pay raise or a long term contract near the end of their careers. Neither of which Vancouver can afford at this point. At the end of the day neither road is easy, I just don't like trying to fill a top pair spot when a game of chance is involved. We can like a guy all we want in free agency, that doesn't mean he has any interest in signing here. I have seen this team try to fill key roles in free agency before but when the time comes we don't land the big fish and instead we try to force someone into a role they were never going to fill.

There are some that would be awesome pieces to get but well outside our reach. If St. Louis was ever to tear it down, Colton Parayko would be outstanding and at a great AAV. If it weren't for his 8 mil cap hit, I would look at Jacob Trouba with the Rangers. They have Adam Fox playing top pair, Braden Schnieder is coming up and Nils Lundkvist could slot into the third pair soon. The problem is that I doubt NY wants to keep any of the cap hit on Trouba and I don't know that he is still worth the 8 mil. Maybe he is. If Chicago decided to go full rebuild, like they have said they are, a guy like Connor Murphy might be a good fit. Nothing overly flashy about his game but he is a big body that has been playing big minutes for the hawks. Numbers aren't great but neither are the hawks or the yotes when he was with them prior. Health is a concern here with his recent concussion. Depending on how bad Carolina wants to keep their forward group together (they have 4 UFAs and 2 RFAs) and how much they like Anthony Deangelo (who is also a RFA) maybe they would be willing to move on from Brett Pesce. Under contract for another 2 yrs at just over 4 mil would certainly help out our cap situation and possibly keep our forward group together.

It's tough to know exactly what teams are willing to part with and what they want in return but I would be call the Islanders and getting the price on Ryan Pulock. NYI have Mayfield under contract yet as a second pair guy and will need to pay Dobson this offseason. I have to believe Dobson will be the top pair RHD going forward which means Pulock might be available. That being said he does have a new contract starting next season which indicates Lou is planning to keep him long term. His new contract has a NTC in it and I'm not sure when that kicks in but if they are at all interested, now would be the time to find out. For a price, the Islanders need some scoring ability and likely someone to replace some of Pulock's minutes so a package centered around Poolman and Boeser is where I would start. Maybe it ends up somewhere around: Van: - Boeser - Poolman NYI: - Pulock - 2022 2nd