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11 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
And producing so his cap is a nothingburger, 50ish point players are about $5million now...
We just have completely different views on how to build a team, and that's fine. It has nothing to do with his production, he could have 5 points and I wouldn't care. It's all about the Benjamin's imo. We need cap space to get better and he's the most logical casualty imo. Simply about numbers.
Every player in the NHL is very good at hockey and I would keep all of them $$ permitting.
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2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
He doesn't because of injuries and he's a swiss army knife that can play up or down the roster. That is the literal opposite of a hinderance.
Sure that's true ... we just have a difference of opinion. I mean a hinderance to having $5 mil available in cap space. I'm honestly not trying to be an ahole. It's just my honest assessment right or wrong.
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7 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Yup. New Beau has trade value. Garland is just another Benning stain, albeit a Smurf sized one.
Hmmm hmmm. They both lack what we need. Miller and Petey are our stud pieces. We need to surround those guys with size, toughness, and two way play, neither of which Beau or Garland provide.
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3 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
Meh, one of our best 5 0n 5 players, I'd move Beauvillier before Garland.
If wishes were horses beggars would ride. Beau is gone next year anyway. Garland is eating $5 mil in cap for 3 more years.
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48 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:
One of our best 5 on 5 players has no role? I think you’re blinded by your dislike for the player.
Nope, I just don't think he benefits our team much at $5 mil a season. He never seems to find a permanent line to play on imho. Correct me if I'am wrong there. I don't dislike him I just think he's a major obstacle to the Canucks purchasing better players to fit our team. There is only so much cap to go around.
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Just now, Alflives said:
Hronek is only 25. Adding an elite, right shot D (who is only 25) is building smart. The Benning moves were all terrible and poorly timed if decent, like Miller.
Yup, Benning moves sucked. If we win the Cup next year you're 100% right but there is also a plan where Miller is traded, Hronek is not acquired, and our draft picks and cap space make us a better team in 2-3 years.
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1 hour ago, Honky Cat said:
May as well make it 12 then, without EP and QH
More than that lol. Not like we're guaranteed playoffs now though either. It would be silly to purposely get rid of those two and try to find two equal players again. I felt there was and is always a way to build first through the draft and then add pieces.
We could have and should have started that years ago. Especially back in the Canadian division where we started by stupidly hanging on to Pearson. And then trading for OEL and Garland. We also could have dealt Miller and not have traded for Hronek to build properly (although that makes sense now). Oh well, here we go again. Let's see how it goes.
I'm cautiously optimistic for the season. We have a better chance than the last 3 years imo.
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Just now, Honky Cat said:
Hint. Maybe try following along the thread as to who I was replying (and what we were talking about) to before jumping to silly conclusions.
Okay. Sorry I thought I was.
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4 minutes ago, Honky Cat said:
Wonderful, what would that look like ? 14 years with one (covid) playoff appearance ? Hopefully we draft another Pettersson and Hughes.
Would make the the Canucks ,one of the most irrelevant franchises in the sport.
It's already been 10 lol. You can't just decide to make the playoffs because you want to.
For the record I'm not at all for a complete rebuild but putting the brakes on and actually building a solid team would be more preferable than squandering our assets every year for a shot at 8th place.
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8 minutes ago, Honky Cat said:
If you say so.
Or just in hope other teams suck so we can make it. Didn't work last year with Vegas and it won't work this year either. We'll actually have to earn it unfortunately.
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22 hours ago, Dr. Crossbar said:
It doesn't matter what you or I think ... that's exactly how they were treating it. Tocchet and management even said so.
So, by their own words, there's no excuse for a bad start. Even more so since they were treating last season as such.
Unfinished business 2.
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On 8/20/2023 at 1:52 PM, Honky Cat said:
Byfield may become a top 6 player, and there's nothing that indicates he's ever going to be elite. 3 goals in 53 games ?.
The Kings have a year or two at best to compete, and they're no SC contender .No young elite players on the horizon either.
Why are we putting down the third place team in the Pacific. Oh right, it's a pathetic plea with the universe to somehow get us in the playoffs.
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On 8/20/2023 at 10:32 AM, aqua59 said:
I think the reality of making the playoffs the past two seasons were basically shot by November. Regardless of what happened after November during both seasons Vancouver missed the playoffs.
How this team starts and maintains pace is paramount. If we get another face plant during the first ten games it's gonna be a repeat crap season.
However getting a good start will at least get some play off optimism brewing. On that note there have been many a great start followed by disaster but at least with a strong start there's a chance of keeping up with the pack. This division regardless has some pretty good teams to keep pace with let alone the whole league.
I'm optimistic.
Good point. This team has shown they have the talent to almost make it despite shooting themselves in the foot the last two years. Having said that I still don't think they make it if you asked me to bet.
I just hope the hockey season isn't over before Christmas again. It would be fun to at least have something to play for until the end.
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3 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
I'm not sure why so many are so quick to want to jettison him off probably the most underappreciated Canuck in a while.
He's not worth $5 mil and is standing in our way to be better. Simple if you look at the big picture.
He has no role on our team. #Benning model
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1 hour ago, Canucks Curse said:
Beau Petey Kuzy
this is how you optimize beau
milky can do many good things as well
Hogz Miller Brock
Milky Suter Garland
Joahua Bluegger Podz
pDG Aman
thats a lot of depth
PK Fs
milky
Blugger
Suter
Miller
PP1
Kuzy Petey Brock
Hughes Miller
PP2
beau Suter Podz
Hogz Hroneck
One of the better lineups I've seen. It actually gives that third line a defensive conscious, and Beauvillier a spot. I don't think Hoglander, PDG, or Joshua is the answer on the third line despite people penciling them in there. Both PDG, and Joshua are just not skilled or fast enough to play on the third line imo. PDG worked in a pinch on Miller's line but do we really want borderline AHL guys permanently playing that high up in the lineup?
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15 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:
We’ll probably see some preseason cap dump trades for teams to get compliant. Not sure that will open up anything for us though…
Maybe some longer term preseason injuries create some demand for our players
Yeah usually there are injuries or even players teams thought were solid but underwhelm in training camp. Really guys like Garland, and Beauvillier are decent players and I could definitely see a couple teams wanting to add them to their roster. The biggest problem with Garland is he has 3 more years at $5 on the cap but $17 mil in actual cash. That kind of scares the bottom teams away a bit too when he's taking home $6 mil a season for the next two years.
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On 8/3/2023 at 1:11 PM, Fakename70 said:
You’re forgetting Kuzmenko is an RH…who plays LW. I’m specifically talking about RH’s at RW. The team doesn’t have that, other than Boeser and Garland. Nor does it have it down the middle. You really can’t add Karlsson nor Studnicka to that mix if you’re expecting them to be a playoff team this upcoming season. There’s no balance on this roster amongst the Forwards, is my point, and I think it will continue to be a potential hindrance going forward if it isn’t addressed.
Yeah good points. That was the Benning model. Just acquire random decent players on fair contracts without a care in the world where they will play. That's what leads to re-signing Pearson and then trading for Dickinson. Acquiring Garland and having every single coach struggle to find him a regular spot. It's a mess and I agree we should be targetting a RW to play with Petey and one for Miller's line too. Currently we have Mikeyhev, Beauvillier, and Podkolzin all LH who have seen the right side. In all fairness Podkolzin and Mikeyhev are dedicated RW predominantly but yeah it's all over the place. We have Lekkerimaki developing hopefully. He's a right handed RW. We also need a LW to play on Miller's line. PDG is not a solution. Uggg, lol what a goulash of players.
2 hours ago, aGENT said:But we don't and he's part of that "problem". Again, it's not that he's a bad player, he just doesn't fit team needs. We have too much smaller, softer skill. And I'd rather use the near 1/4 the cap Hoglander in that role and use that cap space elsewhere to add some of that sandpaper, size, PK, top 4 D etc.
I agree that he's a solid NHL player. That's not the issue.
Exactly. Do we sign/trade for four players just to make Garland effective, or do we just swap him out for someone who actually fills a role? To me it's much easier to just move on from Garland, I mean it's not easy in itself to move him, but probably easier then finding the right players for him to be of maximum benefit for us.
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1 hour ago, aGENT said:
And what's wrong with that? I'd happily move Myers + for the subject of this thread for example.
Haha nothing at all if there are any suckers out there willing to take him. I'm barely clinging to that dream of dumping both Myers and Garland in trades at this point. I'm curious to see if we get another wave of movement before camp opens or not. That would be just swell.
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9 hours ago, Crimson-JH said:
Why does anyone think that LA will make it as a top 3 for the playoffs? They’re not a powerhouse of a team along with questionable goalies now that Korpisalo is gone.
LA has been a real tough team the last few years and made moves to get even better. No reason to think they're just going to fall apart for no reason. They haven't relied on goaltending so that shouldn't really be a factor.
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Makes sense. I see us finishing around 10-12 last again this year. Maybe next year we can get a RD to partner Hughes, replace Myers, and turn Garland/Beau/Boeser into something good. Pray Lekkerimaki turns out sooner than later.
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18 hours ago, EddieVedder said:
Yea lets add motte and change our name to the vancouver smurfs.
Yeah probably not a good idea. I think we could change our name to that already though .. no?
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2 hours ago, smithers joe said:
i think we should be more concerned about who gets move this summer.
i have myers gone; one of beauvillier, garland or boeser gone and pearson either on ltir, waved or 2 soft forwards moved. poolman on ltir.
i want each line to employ a scorer, playmaker and grit.
tocchets wants board battlers to make the team harder to play against. that is why he loves joshua and PDG.
only one of the following players should be on each line...kuzmenko, boeser, beauvillier, and hoglander.
i don't see many of your lines being hard to play against.
I'am really hoping we trade on or two of those guys too but I am not very hopeful of it happening at this point. Maybe some other team sees a need or opens some cap space that enable such a move. Fingers crossed. Garland, Myers, Beauvillier and Boeser, in that order for me. I'd be absolutely fine with all of the first 3 going. Then maybe look at a guy like Comtois depending on the outcome of the Hockey Canada scandal. Maybe Ritchie or even Motte, hmmm I don't know about those last 2 but maybe.
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2 hours ago, DeNiro said:
Having Garland scratched would be a disaster. Thats Eriksson all over again.
The best case scenario is that he has a great season and we can get something for him.
Yeah that would be great. Getting something for him I mean. My agreement was him getting traded, not necessarily being benched but honestly I wouldn't care less.. Lots of folks like him but I'm not a fan. He's never a staple on any line and no coach seems to know what do do with him. I don't like him in the top 6, and I like him even less on the third line so maybe we can play him on the fourth line ... I think he ended up there last year and actually added some value there. I would really love for us to spend his and Beau's $ on a legit top 6 forward.
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13 hours ago, RakuRaku said:
I was pretty excited when we got Stud... He's got size, RH shot, good speed... But he'll have to be lights out or at least really noticeable showing some grit to earn a spot with us!
Studnicka sucks. Most boring vanilla player I've seen in awhile. Agree with @Rick_theRyper we need to get off to a good start.
Kuz Petey Mik
PDG/Beauvillier Miller Boeser
Pearson Blueger/Suter Garland
Joshua/Beauvillier Suter/Blueger Hogs
Aman
Man it's hard to set a lineup with our mishmash of weak winger pieces. I really think Beau or more preferably Garland is traded. Netter yet trade them both for a legit third liner. We could really benefit if Hogs could bring that intense forecheck along with some goal scoring on the second line. Tocchet sure has his work cut out for him.
Kuz Petey Mik
Hogs Miller Boeser
Pearson Suter Garland
Beauvillier Blueger Joshua
Aman
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Yeah I can agree with that. I definitely wouldn't pay to move him I don't think. It's fairly obvious I believe that we are cap strapped like most of the league. He's just the first name that pops out at me when I look at unwanted contracts with sizable dollars which could translate into parts we need. There isn't a forward I wouldn't move besides Petey and Miller. He just makes the most sense.
@canuck73_3 isn't wrong though I'm not a fan of his endless spinning in the corners, as intricate as it might be. I think he's one of those rare players whose skill outweighs his usefulness. Like all small players you need to excel at certain aspects to make an impact and I just honestly don't think he does that.