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15 hours ago, dougieL said:
Harman Dayal on the Vancast called this trade a nightmare, and we're not even 2 years into OELs decline.
This is going to be the worst trade in franchise history when it's all said and done.
Acquiring a cap anchor for 6 years while giving up a 2nd round pick and a top 10 pick.
Garland... has been so "meh" this year he's not even worth mentioning. He's probably another cap anchor right now too.
Wow this trade is bad.
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25 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:
That wasn’t my comment though - people act like OEL is getting in the way of the team’s success and he isn’t. Over the next four years he’ll get better if the team gets better. He played well last season. This year he’s putting up more points. The entire team can’t defend. It’a dumb to just point the finger at one guy when it’s clearly a team issue. He can’t do it all himself.
Do you watch the games?
OEL is a major roadblock to this team's success.
Being paid like a top pairing defenseman but performing like a #4 does that to teams. It's not really rocket science bud.
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1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:
There were many who saw his positives and negatives and don't dwell on only the negative. I see far more deflections of his successes which he had a few and it's not just "rose coloured glasses" takes either. He wasn't purely all doom and gloom either. He had many faults, he started a decent core to build on but he completely failed to build a competent defense, loyal to a fault with mediocre coaching, and over valued and over paid for support pieces.
However that said calling out some of the over negativity does not equal being dumbfounded by any criticism. Myself and many others have conceded that he had moves that warrant criticism literally every GM does. Name me any GM someone will tell you where they fk'd up.
I loved Gillis' moves to get us to being a Presidents trophy cup contending team, but his drafting was horrid and the chase for the cup left Benning with virtually nothing to start from. For all his faults Benning left a pretty solid core to build with/from even if you don't agree how he got there.
Agree to disagree but that's fine. Again... thin line between delusion/optimism.
Where's the solid core?
Petey, Hughes and Demko are great pieces... there's no doubt.
Who else? Where are the rest of these pieces that supposedly supplement this apparent "pretty solid core". A solid core in the NHL is usually 6-8 fixtures on your roster that you can build around and compete with year in and year out.
Where are the other 3-5 pieces? You can't sell me a car and tell me it's pretty solid when the engine is missing.EDIT: Take any half competitive team and I could easily name 6-8 pieces of a solid core. What JB left this team... is NOT a solid core.
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6 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:
Benning and Weisbrod left the team with a 2 larger bad contracts on the books in Myers and OEL. Some guys like Dickinson, Pearson, Poolman who could go. And some wasted cap in Holtby, Virtanen and Ferland that lasted 1 year. Plus a pretty thin prospect pool but some good young NHL’ers like Hogs and Pods.
The team has a deep forward group, including a pretty good 1-2 punch at C. Weak defence but a franchise guy in Hughes and a good starter in Demko.
Contract wise, everyone can play so if you can’t move them and arent expecting to contend, just take your medicine and keep them. There’s worse fates than having Pearson and Dickinson in the bottom 6 of the roster.
The team was ripe for a re-tool. Trade a forward piece or two, particularly Miller and try to rebuild the back end.
The problem is, new Jim kept everyone. Plus bring in Mikheyev. And the one guy he decided to move in Dickinson, cost a 2nd to ship out.
Weak prospect pool? The Chytil, Lundqvist, 1st return would have given us a big, young LW/C to replace Miller… a 1st and a RD who was worth a 1st to the Stars. And who knows what else was out there since it’s clear they didn’t really want to move Miller.
Then, moving the rights to Boeser and/or simply letting him go to FA frees up the cap needed to add guys like Bear and/or Marino if you want to add young RHD. For a lot less than the 14+ mil those two are going to command next year.
Now, that’s with the benefit of hindsight. At this point looks like we should sell on Kuzmenko and Horvat, whom I’d rather have than Boeser/Miller but it is what it is.
I think they need to trade Schenn as well while circling back this summer. But these kinds of moves needed to be made last offseason.
I love the optimism but again, there's just such a thin line between delusion and optimism.
"2 larger bad contracts on the books in Myers and OEL"
That type of cap inefficiency is enough to kill the chances to compete for years. $13M invested into two bottom pairing defenseman is a death sentence in the flat cap world.
"Some guys like Dickinson, Pearson, Poolman who could go"
Some guys totaling nearly $10M in cap space that went to absolutely nothing. This isn't a small oversight, this is a huge mistake.
"Good young NHL'ers like Hogs and Pods"
Neither guys are in the lineup at the moment. If the Canucks had proper depth, these guys would be in Abbotsford developing right now.
'Deep forward group"
We had a deep forward group? We were 15th in goal scoring last year. You also propose to trade Miller... if we trade Miller, how would we be deep upfront?
"The problem is, new Jim kept everyone. Plus bring in Mikheyev. And the one guy he decided to move in Dickinson, cost a 2nd to ship out. "
Dickinson was brought in by JB... that was the price to move him to stay cap compliant. Mikheyev and Kuzmenko have been fantastic... are you even watching the games?
"Weak prospect pool"
Don't complain about what might have happened. It literally makes no sense because JB was NOT going to trade Miller at the deadline anyway because this is his "all-in team".
"Boeser..."
This is hindsight 20/20... most called the contract extension a great deal at the time. I'm sure JR could have tapped into his crystal ball and predicted that Boeser would fall off a cliff.
"Ripe for a re-tool"This is what I mean by delusion/denial. This team is SO far from contention that the best pathway to build a Stanley Cup contender is to blow it up. Anyone that thinks otherwise... well good luck to you.
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1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said:
Very obviously patting yourself on the back you're not fooling anyone.
No doubt I am. All the abuse I've taken over the years being critical of Jim Benning.... it's just karma coming around.
I'm moreso mocking those that were completely delusional about the state of the team. I'm not celebrating the team's failure.... those are completely different things.
This team has been like the Titanic for the past 3 years... a sinking ship that some people were in mad denial about. There are STILL people that are in denial about this team.-
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1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said:
Stop with the gate keeping bullshit, you're not the deciding factor in who is blindly supporting the team and who who supporting them "properly" come off your arrogant high horse already.
When did I celebrate the team's failure?
Please enlighten me. I wasn't celebrating anything - just looking back on some posts
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On 12/19/2022 at 4:24 PM, aGENT said:
Poolman has concussion issues, Myers cap is fine but he's an ill fit on this team, OEL I have zero problems with, he's one of our few actual top 4 D, Pearson is out with hand surgery, Dickinson seems to be doing just fine in Chicago.
So yeah, a couple injured guys and...
But great work necro-trolling.
If you have zero problems with OEL's contract, that's all I have to say.
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20 minutes ago, awalk said:
Yes it is and he's very much welcome to have it and share it and I am welcome to say I am not surprised at his opinion.
Some get it some don't.
It's just that simple.
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17 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
This. Celebrating your team is a failure because you predicted it is such a clown move.
A clown move is blindly supporting a pathetic franchise for 8 years, and thus enabling the owner/management to continually sabotage this franchise in an attempt to get playoff revenue.
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19 hours ago, Sbriggs said:
Your a little late aren't ya, you just get released from prison?
S'all good.
How does it feel to be so uneducated with something you spend so much of your precious time with? Must sting a little.
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17 hours ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:
Do you want a cookie @JohnTavares? I think I’ll give you a cookie. There is such a thing as a sore winner, just food for thought, literally.
Being a Canucks fan, trust me... we are all losers.
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1 minute ago, lmm said:
I am interested to hear what John has to say about the new group
I think they've done a B-/C+ job so far.
What I truly don't understand is we had people supporting Jim Benning and co. for nearly 8 years with pathetic results on and off the ice, yet people are turning on JR/Allvin when they have only been here for one year? Make this make sense for me...
They're biggest fault was re-signing someone who scored 99 points last year as a 1C? It's easy to say in hindsight that contract is looking terrible right now but nobody could have predicted that JT Miller would completely fall off a cliff to start the year.-
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8 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:
Wasnt this thread about those who supported old management ? And you're take was everything will be great as long as Jim Benning gets fired ? Hows that working
That literally makes no sense and you're not using 'you're' properly.
The conversation was strictly about the old management... nothing about current day management. You know the core of this team is 90% Jim Benning's team still right? -
19 hours ago, aGENT said:
Poolman has concussion issues, Myers cap is fine but he's an ill fit on this team, OEL I have zero problems with, he's one of our few actual top 4 D, Pearson is out with hand surgery, Dickinson seems to be doing just fine in Chicago.
So yeah, a couple injured guys and...
But great work necro-trolling.
Enablement of a terrible product is actually a reason why the product is terrible.
It's because you're okay with it.
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18 hours ago, Bure2Win said:
Hummmm bringing back a year and half old post to prove some points?
There's nothing to prove - it's just really funny to look at back at some of the things that were said just over a year ago.
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On 5/19/2021 at 7:21 AM, stawns said:
This is the most depth this organization has ever had on the 46 years I've been a fan
This either has to be a master troll job or the weed here really is world class.
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On 5/16/2021 at 8:25 PM, Dazzle said:
The difference between Virtanen and Juolevi is quite big. One has had injury issues. The other has had off ice issues.
Saying Juolevi has a very slim shot at being a meaningful player has so many problems with that, but I suspect your opinion won't change despite your so-called "honest" discussion.
Yeah ok.
Where's OJ these days?-
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1 minute ago, Gurn said:
I suppose you knew, before he was drafted, that he would get injured?
you knew he would have surgery and never properly recover11/
Awesome- good on yah!
I was responding to comments just a year ago
Many already knew Juolevi was going to be a bust but we still had people saying he would be a top 4 defenseman for the Canucks.
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On 5/16/2021 at 6:23 PM, Alflives said:
Like pointed out before to this rather “dishonest” OP, rebuilding teams cover for those first rounders that aren’t home runs by finding gems later in the draft. Benning found Rathbone, and Hollander outside of round one. That’s how winn8ng teams are built.
Let me know when Benning builds a winning team...
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On 5/16/2021 at 4:38 PM, Sbriggs said:
Juolevei was not a miss, he has had injury issues and now seems to be fine and will be a top 4, JV is a bust but in JB defence no GM bats 100% and considering what he has done with our prospect pool I'll forgive him on the few picks he may have missed on
Yeah sure... top 4 in your local beer league team.
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On 5/16/2021 at 3:59 PM, King Heffy said:
I liked what I saw from OJ so far; don't be surprised to see him in the top 4. As for Jake, most teams missed in that draft. The only guy from 4-10 that turned out to be useful was Ehlers.
Top 4 Defenseman Olli Juolevi
Maybe for an ECHL team!
Dude's not even in the league anymore... the copium here is so cringe.
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On 11/30/2021 at 6:17 PM, aGENT said:
They're not remotely 'dead weight contracts'. Nonsense hyperbole. You guys has something with Player Name, now you're just crazy old men yelling at a cloud.
You still feel the same re:
Poolman, Myers, OEL, Pearson, Dickinson?
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On 12/14/2021 at 11:08 PM, Patel Bure said:
It's only been a relatively small sample size but so far, the evidence is strongly pointing to the fact that.....
1) Benning did in fact build this team correctly
2) Benning's only real fault was that he was too loyal to Travis Green, and should have replaced Green after the 2020 bubble.
If Benning had replaced Green earlier on, we would have made the 2020-2021 playoffs and likely would be a 10-13th ranked team in the league this season.
The anti-Benning crew are getting absolutely rag-dolled right now with this Canucks resurgence.
The only argument against Benning right now is that he was too loyal to Green.
Bruce there it is!
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22 minutes ago, HKSR said:
I'll let others read what you just said and they can draw the conclusion on who's out of touch lol.
You, and quote, "supported Benning all along".
We know who's out of touch.
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But great work necro-trolling.
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It's pretty apparent who watches games and who doesn't.
OEL does not have the footspeed anymore to be a legitimate top 4 defenseman. He'll be serviceable as a bottom pairing defenseman vet on a good team.