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    [Trade] Canucks trade Jay Beagle, Loui Eriksson, Antoine Roussel, 2021 1st-round pick, 2022 2nd-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick to Coyotes for Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Conor Garland

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    On 1/16/2022 at 12:41 PM, aGENT said:

    I'd do this deal again 11 times out of 10. We could trade Garland alone right now, for more than what we gave up. Complete no brainer. ALWAYS add value to your franchise when available. And he's young and cheap enough that he can be a solid part of this team when they're in their contention window in a couple years.

     

    Never mind the cap clearance of Player Name/Beagle/Roussel.

     

    And OEL has been fine. Our F's need to score more and he'll get more apples. Plus Rutherford and co need to make a move for a younger RD to flesh out our top 4 (and a defensive/PK 3LD while we're at it) and then OEL/Myers won't need to be relied on so heavily for match up duty. He was always going to get less PP points behind Hughes and has otherwise been stellar defensively. Still has plenty of good years ahead of him.

    yeeee aight

     

    :lol:

    [Trade] Canucks trade Jay Beagle, Loui Eriksson, Antoine Roussel, 2021 1st-round pick, 2022 2nd-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick to Coyotes for Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Conor Garland

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    So much juicy content in this thread.

     

    This thread really shows you who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.

     

    This trade might be the worst trade in franchise history.

     

    Torpedoing this core and acquiring an anchor for 7 years... all while giving up a top 10 pick.  

    [Trade] Canucks trade Jay Beagle, Loui Eriksson, Antoine Roussel, 2021 1st-round pick, 2022 2nd-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick to Coyotes for Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Conor Garland

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    2 hours ago, The.Burrowers said:

    OEL has proven to be a good defenseman.  He may end up regaining his form from several years ago yet. He is not the problem here.

     

    We have too much dead cap in other areas.

     

    Pearson, Dickinson, Poolman, Lu Recapture, other buyouts, bonuses....

     

    They don't seem like much as one but in aggregate they all add up and make it difficult to keep together an otherwise very nice core.

    OEL is good and probably worth 4-5M in this day and age.

     

    If we waited one more year, we would have access to $12M cap space and 2 more picks.  One of the worst trades in JB's tenure and he has many.

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    Playoffs? [DISCUSSION]

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    52 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

    He’s a troll from HFCanucks who is basically only here to tell Benning supporters that “they told us so” (with regards to the Canucks falling this season).  The truly funny thing is that outside of our PK, they got every single reason wrong as to why we would struggle this season.  Respond to humor him but take what he says with a massive grain of salt.  Him, @AV.and @JohnTavares are only here to start trouble.

    I joined the board in 2006.  You probably weren't even alive yet.

     

    Go do your homework bud. Mommy's calling.

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    [Report] Canucks fire Jim Benning, name Stan Smyl as interim GM

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    19 minutes ago, CanuckGAME said:

    Stats like this are unfair.

     

    The guy inherited a team with absolutely ZERO prospects or promising young players besides Bo.

     

    It takes time to rebuild from the ground up.

     

    All the basic contracts he was held hostage with,  he inherited a dumpster fire.

     

    Gillis mortgaged the future for those 2009-2012 teams and Benning inherited that mortgaged future.

    What?  Are you literally out-of-touch with reality?


    Chris Tanev? Alex Edler? Jacob Markstrom? Bo Horvat? Ryan Kesler? Chris Higgins? Jason Garrison? Kevin Bieksa? Alex Burrows? Jannik Hansen? Eddie Lack?


    Stop with this "Gillis left JB with nothing" non-sense.

     

    Gillis left with him with several veterans to trade - Jim just didn't get any value for them... and when he did, he fumbled the bag (Dahlen for Hansen and then trades Dahlen for a nobody prospect). 


    There was so much value to extract from that roster but Jim completely botched multiple transactions.

     

     

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    [Report] Canucks fire Jim Benning, name Stan Smyl as interim GM

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    4 hours ago, StanleyCupOneDay said:


    If you only cheer for the team when they win I don’t think you can call yourself a true fan, that’s what a bandwagon fan is called: jumping on as the going gets good. I’m always cheering for a victory through the bad and the good for my team.

     

    Also for all those enjoying being “vindicated” after complaining for 8 years non stop on every single move or non-move Benning did or didn’t do you guys sure seem to use a lot of hyperbole: “Reign of terror”, “left us with nothing”, “worst prospect cupboard then Gillis”, “worst GM in Canucks history”, “darkest days ever now ending” and so many countless other examples in this thread make it hard for anyone to believe that any of you can be objective about anything.

     

    Benning made good moves and he made bad moves, just like any other GM and if you can’t acknowledge that then you aren’t able to see reality through your own bias.

    This is a pretty naive take to be honest.

     

    Benning's made a SMALL handful of good moves in the span of 8 years.


    The bad moves literally write itself.... could be a novel of bad moves if you had to piece it all together.  Terrible transactions (could literally go on forever), terrible coaching hires (Willie D and Travis G), terrible communication with the fanbase and the media (live day-to-day, ran out of time, getting fined for tampering), terrible management personnel (letting go of Judd Brackett, Laurence Gillman and many others but keeping Weisbrod who does what again?).

     

    So it's not just that simple... maybe in your head but as you say, if you want to be "objective" about it, Benning has directly caused a lot of harm to this franchise for the past 8 years and will continue damaging the franchise with the short-sighted moves he's made (trading first round picks, getting OEL).

    [Report] Canucks fire Jim Benning, name Stan Smyl as interim GM

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    8 hours ago, Shayster007 said:

    As someone who entirely supported Benning through the vast majority of his time here this is very bitter sweet. I really and truely beileved in what Benning was doing here. He obviously made some glaring mistakes throughout his tenure, but I always like the direction. It is really difficult to see this team struggle this badly. I look forward to the next chapter of Canucks hockey.

    What exactly was Benning doing here?  What was the direction?  To build one of the most expensive, inefficient defenses in Canuck history?  To rely on Thatcher Demko, a young goalie in his second year as a starter to shoulder the load and play like at a Vezina calibre level every game?  To bring in depth forwards that provided little to no secondary scoring (Dickinson, Dowling, Chiasson, Highmore, and Lammiko combined for 3 ES goals, 10 ES points in 85 games)?

     

    I'm still baffled by what people are saying here.  8 years of failure and it's still "oh I like the direction he was going in".


    The direction didn't yield any results.  Imagine if you hired a financial advisor who consistently lost YOUR money year over year for 8 years. Would anyone be saying "Oh I liked the direction though!"?  This is a results based business.  Benning never even had a clear direction or plan anyway.  This JB nut hugging is borderline cult like.

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    [Report] Canucks fire Jim Benning, name Stan Smyl as interim GM

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    3 hours ago, BlastPast said:

    Boeser, Pettersson, Demko, Hoglander, Hughes, Podkolzin, Miller, Garland (and some less significant but still useful pieces) have all been added in the last 4 1/2 years; that is a considerable amount of talent provided they play up to potential. There is still work to do but to suggest that acknowledging this is some kind of across-the-board approval of every move JB did is just dumb. You have to take both sides of the ledger into consideration when accounting. I'm sure this post will get a very intelligent response .

    I’m not going to go in-depth anymore because Jim’s gone - the good fight id over.

     

    If you understand how that talent arrived you would understand that what he brought to the team is not an achievement. Teams that suck a lot get a lot of high picks that turn into great players - it’s really not rocket science.

     

    Miller and Garland were acquired using very high draft picks. It’s not like we just got them for cheap or plucked them off waivers.

     
    A 10 year old kid that plays NHL 21 can trade draft picks for good players too.

     

    If that’s your bar after 8 years, that he brought some good players to the team, then you’re standards are painfully low.

    [Report] Canucks fire Jim Benning, name Stan Smyl as interim GM

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    Just now, -AJ- said:

    Right, yeah. Garland and OEL aren't any good--what a bad trade. Dump the Benning core with guys like Petey, Boeser, Horvat, Hughes, Miller, Demko etc.

     

    This roster is fine, but they're massively underperforming, hence why I believe coaching changes were what was needed. 

     

    That said, I also don't think Benning was a particularly great GM either. I'll move on, but if we see success instantly this year after these moves, don't come to me saying it's because we hired a new GM unless that GM makes big changes.

    Saying the roster is “fine” is just major coping to be honest.

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