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On 5/16/2021 at 4:38 PM, Sbriggs said:
Juolevei was not a miss, he has had injury issues and now seems to be fine and will be a top 4, JV is a bust but in JB defence no GM bats 100% and considering what he has done with our prospect pool I'll forgive him on the few picks he may have missed on
Yessssssssir
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On 5/16/2021 at 4:26 PM, Alflives said:
OJ will be a player for us. I see him as taking much of Edler’s minutes. Plus OJ passes fantastic. Nylander is always going to be “Double Flamingo” boy.
Yessir.
54k posts and still failing at evaluating talent... are you sure you're not Jim?
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On 5/16/2021 at 3:59 PM, King Heffy said:
I liked what I saw from OJ so far; don't be surprised to see him in the top 4. As for Jake, most teams missed in that draft. The only guy from 4-10 that turned out to be useful was Ehlers.
OJ Top 4?
Maybe back in Finland
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Some of these takes aged so poorly.
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On 5/19/2021 at 7:21 AM, stawns said:
This is the most depth this organization has ever had on the 46 years I've been a fan
Still?
This just goes to show how blind fans are with respect to Jim Benning and co.Jim needs to go and many have been echoing this sentiment for years.
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Thank god. Leddy is not what we needed at all. The fact we were interested in the first place...
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Jim Benning should have been fired long time ago, but if he does sign Hyman to a huge deal, he should be fired on the spot.
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8 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:
how does overpaying for Duclair make Pearsons deal look bad?
If Duclair at $3M is an overpayment, what does that make Person's deal look like? Worst contract in the league?
Duclair had 32 points in 42 games. Pearson had 18 points in 51 games.
Do the math... Duclair was twice the player Pearson was offensively last year.Duclair's in his prime whereas Pearson's exiting his prime.
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This makes the Pearson deal look so bad.
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1 hour ago, Bertuzzipunch said:
Same as myers for them. Philly isnt going thru a rebuild and not giving up 2 24 yr olds lol
Yup. Canucks fan have a syndrome where we overrate our own players and underrate other teams players.
Myers and Konecny are not going anywhere - we don't have the assets for these type of players. Anyone even suggesting these names are just out of touch with reality.-
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16 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Aren’t you on IR?
The fact you think Konecny for Schmidt is a fair deal just shows that after 50k posts, you really don't know anything about hockey.
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Please stop... Konecny is 100x more valuable than Schmidt.
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1 hour ago, VancouverHabitant said:
I have a hard time believing that.
We got Schmidt who is 90% as good as OEL for a 3rd round pick. Have a hard time believing the other rumours as having anything to do with our offer.
Schmidt only happened because we were one of the few teams who were capable and willing to take on Schmidt’s full salary.
Also happened because of a flat cap world and Vegas needed to offload cap to sign the best UFA Dman in years in Pietrangelo.
Benning got lucky.
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3 hours ago, aGENT said:
Probably more intel on what ARZ was asking, not what we were offering.
I'd note that there's a reason the deal didn't happen. I don't believe for a second we were offering our 1st.
You can believe whatever you want, nobody really cares.
It again was widely reported that the Coyotes wanted one of Hog, Pod or Demko included in the deal. Canucks said no and thus no deal was made. The first was almost definitely included as part of the deal.
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3 hours ago, DeNiro said:
Reported by who? Fans on Twitter?
No way that Benning would have offered a 1st and a 2nd for a player that was only willing to go to two teams.
The fact that the trade never went through proves that’s BS. Arizona would have gladly accepted that trade.
Craig Morgan... Coyotes beat reporter that was following the situation closely.
No way Benning would have offered? And how would you know this? Other than the fact you’re a biased Canucks homer? I’ll trust a professional over you with regards to this.
Trade never went through because Coyotes wanted one of Pod, Hog or Demko. Jim likely offered that package and the Coyotes rejected.
1st and 2nd isn’t really all that when we were including Sutter as a cap dump as well. He basically cancels out the 2nd rounder. It was basically 1st + Virtanen for OEL which might have been fair at the time, but luckily dodged a massive bullet. -
1 minute ago, Bertuzzipunch said:
Wait he was really offering the yotes a 1st holy crap that woulda sucked
Reported offers were 1st, 2nd, Virtanen, Sutter for OEL.
It may not have been exactly like this but I think the core components of 1st + Sutter + Virtanen were in there.
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I don't understand the obsession with trading Schmidt for OEL? I'm not a huge fan of Schmidt's cap hit but his contract is 10x better than OEL's. At this point in their careers, OEL and Schmidt is a wash as far as I'm concerned. Not to mention OEL is a LD and Schmidt is a RD, which we desperately need?
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13 minutes ago, DeNiro said:
Source?
It was widely known/reported that a first round pick was included in the deal.
Not sure if you genuinely want a source or if you're just being facetious.
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Friendly reminder that we almost traded a first round pick for OEL last year.
Same guy who did that is still running this team... carry on.
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2 hours ago, Johnny Torts said:
Pettersson
Hughes
Boeser
Miller
Hoglander
Rathbone
Pearson
Pearson? ...
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15 hours ago, stawns said:
This is the most depth this organization has ever had on the 46 years I've been a fan
The homerism is top-notch I’ll give you that. Most organizational depth in 46 years but can’t make the playoffs or finish ahead of the rebuilding Senators.
Where you getting the good kush?
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25 minutes ago, wallstreetamigo said:
Cap space is the most valuable trade chip in the current NHL. Lots of teams have traded decent veteran players plus other assets for next to nothing in return.
Its actually been a good way for some teams to clear out bittom level prospects from the organization too.
Don't fall for the troll/bait man. If people don't understand how cap space works, it's on them..
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1 hour ago, stawns said:
Tyler Madeen likely isn't going to amount to much anyway. His 4 points in 14 AHL games as a 21 year old doesn't exactly scream "nhl impact player"
Wow.
Creating a trajectory for a prospect based on 14 games, instead of using his college career is just trolling to be honest.
This is what's wrong with the Jim Benning faction.Several people will say Madden wasn't going to amount to anything anyway! And then turnaround and say Juolevi, Lind, Gadjovich are gonna be staples of the future. It's just mind-boggling at this point.
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3 hours ago, oldnews said:
Without wasting a whole lot of team separating the generalizations from a more 'reasonable' case by case basis - I'm not going to debate every single non-youth asset or contract with the OP - that's a dead horse I aint gonna waste time on.
So - I'll cut to the chase.
The reason I'd stick with the present managment group - is because no one has provided an alternative that will necessarily give me what I want moving forward.
The counterpoint to the OP's sh!tlist - is, obviously, to look forward at the team's trajectory.
The expansion draft dictated a choice between goaltenders (as did the covid cap stall, Luongo recrap and LE's bad contract)...
Regardless of splitting hairs over the past.... We can debate about Toffolis, Tanevs, etc - but one thing was somewhat written in stone by the e.d. - it was either Markstrom or Demko.
I love Markstrom - perhaps my all time favorite goaltender - but I think the franchise made the correct decision - and that decision lines up Demko's trajectory with the rest of the drafted youth imo. I don't care a whole lot about the rest of it - there is a great deal of cap expiring in the next year as well as the Luongo recrap - my focus was and is on the future (and therefore, I agree with having been generally 'conservative' this past offseason (even if I would have made a few different decisions)..
The future of the core - is years from it's prime.
EP (Miller) Boeser
Podkolzin Horvat Hoglander
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A wealth of young bottom six candidates imo - Motte, Highmore, MacEwen, (Virtanen?) etc, etc
Hughes *****
Juolevi
Rathbone Woo etc
Demko
DiPietro
Long story short:
the 'backbone' of the future loosely outlined above...has only one or two critical spots to fill.
Hughes' partner
Viable third line (during youth transition) shutdown center (and possibly 4th as well during the continued transition stage).
Only one asset listed above - is over 25 years old (Miller - who I think conceivably remains a part of that core longer term).
For me - the principal 'need' is a good, solid two way RHD partner for Hughes moving forward. The e.d. may provide an opportunity to acquire a Cal Foote - or perhaps a Timmins - or perhaps this draft is a gift horse and provides another key piece (a young RHD)...
Regardless - there are a whole lot of critical/key pieces above - and imo, I've left out a lot of 'longshot' prospects, a few of whom are likely to turn out (at the rate the group is presently producing outside the top of the 1st round). If this management group can sustain that critical record, I'd give them more time, if not - their viability declines.
What I want - is a continued emphasis on filling out the roster from within - continued emphasis on metered, measured drafting and development, so that there remains a moderate, continuous influx of manageable youth to integrate that not only keeps the options/competition open and strong, but provides cap flexiblity moving forward. If/as these youth turn out, there will need to be another wave of youth to offset their cap demands, create another wave of flexibility.
The imperative of avoiding going, for example, to the UFA or trade market to fill spots - is accomplished by the very strengths of the present management group - drafting and developing. So, in a sense, yes, the rest of the 'negatives' - or 'allowances' are forgiven, in exchange for/if that drafting record is sustained.
The team is - for the first time - whether people like the timeline or not - approaching the necessary critical mass of youth that is the point of a 'rething'.
I don't agree with the out of context 7 year timeline that ignores the necessary loss of a few years that the Tortorella year cost the team - any real engagement with the woulda/shoulda/coulda of this management group, needs to deal honestly with the state of the franchise - the actual 'asset base' and lack of futures - at that point. So I judge the team on closer to a 5 year 'rething' and find the progress more 'reasonable' in those terms.
Continue to draft and develop - and avoid another 'transition' - to a GM that, for all we know - approaches the next stage as a "window". The last thing I want to see is this prospect pool spent in order to contend sooner. Unless someone can provide an actual "plan" - beyond "fire Benning" - that substantiates the incoming regimes ability to sustain and improve upon the underlying basis of future success- the continued, sustainable influx of young talent - I'm not particularly interested. Are there a few GMs I'd prefer? Probably - yes - but I don't see any Steve Yzermans or Joe Sakics on the UFA GM market - and wadr, a hard pass on the Rutherfords or Lombardis...
Whoever it is - I want the course stayed.
The entire problem with this post is that you are completely speculating on the trajectory of this team.
Nobody knows where this team is going to be at in 2-3 years. Progression isn't linear. There's no guarantee that we will be better next year.... just because you say it's going to happen doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Everything in my original post was based on facts and real evidence. Your post to "defend" JB is just pure speculation on the trajectory of this team.
You see how we aren't really having an honest conversation at this point? One side is talking about facts and the other side is talking about nothing of substance."The future of the core - is years from it's prime."
This is literally not true. Bo Horvat and JT Miller are in their primes right now, and we are completely wasting it.
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