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17 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Bo?
Bo was brought in by Gillis, NOT Jim Benning.
We're talking about JB who left this team with nearly no assets (outside of like 3 players), no cap spaec, no prospects and pathetic team.
How we still have people defending JB is crazy. This guy single handedly screwed this franchise for 10+ years.
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1 hour ago, HKSR said:
I don't think you understand the definition of 'asset'.
You think this organization has any tangible, movable assets other than Petey, Demko and Hughes?
You're so out of touch with hockey, it kind of explains why you were a big supported of JB till the end. Absolutely blinded. JB was the worst GM in franchise history by far.
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9 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said:
Well said and we should never forget that. I pushed for that idiots outster along with his monkey sidekick green for a very long time until Aqua-lini was embarressed enough for being asleep at the wheel and finally woke up and booted those two out of town. It was painfully obvious they were two incompetants - years before they were fired. Hopefully JR can prove his worth and I'm willing to give him time because of the severe rookie-fan supported mess JB left this franchise in - that will obviously take time to clean up. But it's pretty obvious that it will require a major shake up as this core is doing the same thing they've done for the past decade - Lose - and it's time to clean house and not tinker along the edges!
Yup. A lot of why we are in this mess is because of us - the fans.
Most people won't realize this because accountability is hard to come by. Most people supported Jim Benning for 5+ years - some support him to this day.
As 'fans', blindly supporting management enables them to continue what they were doing... absolutely sabotaging this franchise. 'Fans' didn't care and still bought merch, attended games, etc. People tried to downplay the mistakes and silence the 'haters'... when in reality, people like us were able to critically think versus sheep that just accepts everything the way it is.It's really sad that it took fans throwing jerseys to the ice to wake up Aquilini... just a pathetic owner for a pathetic franchise.
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3 hours ago, Dazzle said:
So much for him talking about thinking critically while omitting some crucial evidence or downplaying them to highlight the negatives...
That's the problem with people who criticized JB. They were unable to objectively balance the good with the bad. OEL isn't terrible, but he's not worth the 8 mill contract. He's far from being a plug though.
Now, when looked at it this way, this seems like we're setting a low bar. No, we're not. In order for a trade to be technically terrible, the player has to be near useless. Even Nurse who signed a huge contract is getting criticism for his play. Most recently, one opposition player (forgot who) chirped him for "how the f**k did you get a 9 mill contract? You suck!", lol. It was caught on video.
Unfortunately, this situation goes beyond Benning here. Not drafting any useful depth for all those years under Gillis really hurt. This isn't to excuse Benning. This is to explain the situation as it is. When you miss THAT many drafts, and then you're forced to plug players in to 'fix' the depth, then you know something is screwed up. Those should've been young players in the lineup, not vets like Jayson Megna.
Still defending JB even after he left this team with no assets, no cap space, no future and a trash team?
OEL is playing like a #4 and trending downwards. Paying a #4 $7M dollars is a death sentence in today's cap world.Still talking about Gillis a decade later? Wow the copium is so real.
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4 hours ago, HKSR said:
Lol, he did bring Petey, Hughes and Demko. Just the entire young core... maybe give him credit where credit is due, and criticize him for where he messed up? Doesn't need to be so polar. No GM is perfect.
His best moves in 8 years were drafting franchise players with HIGH picks? Demko was a good pick for sure, but you can count his good moves on one hand. Petey was a good pick but Hughes was practically a lay-up. He was by far the BPA and filled a huge organizational need - anyone could have made that pick quite easily.
Oh Jim was far from perfect - he was atrocious
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On 12/9/2022 at 9:51 AM, Shayster007 said:
Yupp... I was part of the vocal minority when this trade went down that hated it. Took a ton of heat at the time, and did for months after when my opinion never waived. Validation is supposed to help things, but this one just feels gross.
100%.
We knew it all along, but I wish we were wrong instead.
OEL's play was already declining at that point in time, and we already had Quinn Hughes so why do we even need to acquire an offense based defenseman?
Anytime you say something negative about JB's tenure, you just get downvoted by mass and take a ton of heat. It is what it is... too many fairweather fans that can't think critically.
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On 12/8/2022 at 9:12 AM, HKSR said:
Not gonna lie, I supported Benning all along, but this trade even had me baffled.
We could have waited 1 more year. 1 more year and we would have had all the flexibility we needed.
That's on you for supporting Benning all along. He was laughably bad.
Y'all canuck fans enabled him by supporting him through his buffonery. Any negative comments about him got downvoted and you were labeled a 'hater'.
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43 minutes ago, combover said:
Ekman-Larsson on the other hand, apparently won't waive his no-trade clause and has been approached by the team more than once. Talk about an awkward situation brewing....
Nobody is going to want him.
His performance on-ice IS the no-trade clause.
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3 hours ago, AnthonyG said:
JT Miller is heading towards his decline. Hes past his prime and slowly declining.
OEL had a bounce back year last year and tied his career high DPS with 4.3. Which the year prior the Norris winner had a 4.1DPS.
A JT Miller trade would have done so much more for this organization and the future, than re-signing him.
You’re also looking at a guy who played on arizona, a perpetually rebuilding bottom 5 team in the league year after year. Look at how much Chychrun struggled last season without OEL
Are you seriously going to say JT Miller is heading towards his decline but also say OEL had a bounce back year?
JT Miller is 15 games removed from a 99 point season. He's been playing poorly but he has 9 goals and 15 points in 16 games. He's still a safe bet for 75+ points, which puts his $8M around market value.
OEL has been atrocious this year. Playing like a #4 defenseman on a $7M+ contract.
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5 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:
The JT Miller no trade is what will cost us Horvat. Are you kidding?? They JT should have been moved for a young RFA+prospect+pick
JT Miller scored 99 points for us last year - it was reasonable to re-sign him to $8M.
OEL was a declining second pairing defenseman with 6 years @ $7M+ when we acquired him.
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1 hour ago, aGENT said:
To be fair, those prices were symptom of circumstance, not actual player value. And a team closer to the TDL with either banked cap and/or LTIR, with the cap reportedly rising, as well as likely expiring cap to cover future years, who's looking to push in the playoffs....that circumstance (and hence value) looks a lot different.
Denial/delusion is too strong here.
This is one of the worst trades in Canuck history. If you can't see that then I just feel bad for you.This trade is also going to cost us the ability to re-sign Horvat too.
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41 minutes ago, J-Dizzle said:
I still make that trade at that time in our history. I call it 50/50 with hindsight, and that has nothing to do with OEL and everything to do with how terrible we’ve been this year overall.
A team that's no where close to competing for a Stanley Cup acquires a $7M anchor for a #3/4 defenseman is 50/50 with hindsight?
Nah bro.
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11 hours ago, canuck73_3 said:
Weird, you didn’t bump this last year when OEL was playing great. Wonder why?
I actually did.
I said this trade sucked in February, while OEL was having his "Great" season.
He wasn't "great" btw. He was probably playing at a $5M level which is still overpaid for his deal.
This year he's been lost - probably playing at a replacement level defenseman ($2-3M).
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9 hours ago, N7Nucks said:
I still think this trade is good. Call me stupid. I don't care. What is wrong with Garland? What is wrong with OEL playing 22 minutes a game with scrubs that should be depth or even AHLers? Sure 7mil is a steep price. But I am a big proponent of our scrub defenders not having to play a ton of defense. Y'all can love Hughes all you want I love him too, he's not good defensively. OEL takes those grueling shifts against the top opposing scorers. And he has to do it with trashcans and AHL jobbers. Give me a break before you come at me with the he sucks storyline.
The only thing I'll say is, the trade aged poorly cause management can't build a good team for the life of them. That's the only angle I'll concede. I honestly think if we nabbed Marino to play with OEL, he'd be looking really good right now. Marino is filling more or less the same niche as OEL. They 100% would have been a really great two way pair. But instead we're out here actively hoping to see more Burroughs. That's how bad our blueline has been. We actually want Burroughs over some of the other pylons.
This is next level denial/delusion.
OEL is a #4 on a good team. He should be making $4M or less at this point in his career, not $7M+.
He's only going to get worse from here... he might be the new Loui Eriksson for the next 4 years.
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On 2/18/2022 at 4:12 PM, JohnTavares said:
OEL is good and probably worth 4-5M in this day and age.
If we waited one more year, we would have access to $12M cap space and 2 more picks. One of the worst trades in JB's tenure and he has many.
On 2/18/2022 at 1:10 PM, JohnTavares said:Acquiring OEL directly impedes our ability to re-sign Boeser, Horvat and JT Miller.
Unbelievable that some of you guys still think this was a good trade. We just had to wait ONE more year.
3 hours ago, JayDangles said:Are you just going back and cherry picking people's comments, and then acting like they were dumb because they couldn't predict the future? And your using current knowledge to judge them?
At least if they were your own comments and you were like "see I warned everyone".
just sad man... find something better to do
See comments above I made in February.
The trade was terrible from the jump, but the JB loyalists couldn't stop raving about this deal. Really goes to show that most fans are really not that bright.
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On 7/23/2021 at 1:55 PM, Johnny Torts said:
How much do people expect top pairing Defenceman be paid ? He will be turning 35 at the end of his deal, not 45.
Garland is a huge player in this deal as well.
On 7/23/2021 at 1:55 PM, J-Dizzle said:You’re wrong.
On 7/23/2021 at 1:58 PM, Smashian Kassian said:So all of our bad contracts & retention on OEL.
We get a top 6 FWD & top 4D.
I like it. It's basically all our problems solved in 1 deal.
On 7/23/2021 at 1:57 PM, Kobayashi Maru said:This is becoming a steal at this point. I had little faith in JB but this changes that.
On 7/23/2021 at 1:57 PM, Bertuzzipunch said:This only getting better
On 7/23/2021 at 2:00 PM, Johnny Torts said:OEL at 7 million is actually robbery.
On 7/23/2021 at 2:01 PM, J-Dizzle said:This is unreal. I don’t see how anyone is unhappy with this deal.
On 7/23/2021 at 2:01 PM, drdeath said:We convinced a team to pay a player 1.2 million dollars per year not to play for them for 6 years and we unloaded LE in the same transaction.
Sign me up and I don’t even know enough about Garland yet.
On 7/23/2021 at 2:01 PM, Kobayashi Maru said:Agreed. Norris calibre OEL at 7 or Hyman at 5. I think we’re in great shape.
On 7/23/2021 at 2:03 PM, Alflives said:OEL at 7 mil per is a great piece to add. Plus we get a top six winger in Garland and we dump Loui, Beagle, and Rooster. And that only costs 9OA! That’s a fabulous trade for us. Way to get er done Jimmy Boy!
Ability to think critically amongst this fanbase barely exists here anymore
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On 7/23/2021 at 1:50 PM, King Heffy said:
OEL is the dead weight.
Props for actually telling it like it is a year in advance. I would have way more trust in you than JB and co.
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On 7/23/2021 at 1:51 PM, Alflives said:
Exactly! We just filled two huge holes. Top pairing D and top six winger. And we dumped three toxic contracts. I’m getting happy!
Happy times baby!
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On 7/23/2021 at 1:48 PM, Alflives said:
OEL just turned 30 last week. He’s got lots of very good hockey left in him.
Ye aight x 2
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On 7/23/2021 at 1:46 PM, Alflives said:
Garland is an amazing player! He’s on Bo’s line. Pearson drops down to the third line. OEL is still a top D man.
Ye aight
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On 7/23/2021 at 1:46 PM, Squamfan said:
God awful. Perfect example of gm saving is Job. Those contract came of the books in a year a year.
Sorry you got dogged on by like 15 ppl for telling the truth.
the people on here aren’t that bright.
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You guys were riding Benning for 8 years despite terrible results but don't want to give Allvin more than a year?
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On 10/24/2022 at 10:34 PM, J-23 said:
This is literally Benning’s core lol
This is Benning's "all-in" team.
LOL.
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On 11/30/2021 at 12:42 PM, King Heffy said:
He hasn't shown any indication of a poor work ethic.
On 11/30/2021 at 11:11 AM, Me_ said:It won’t.
On 12/1/2021 at 11:47 PM, coryberg said:Loui was a 3rd liner from day one.
Oel is a top pairing dman from day one.
On 12/5/2021 at 12:23 PM, Alflives said:Don’t feed it, and it will go away.
On 1/16/2022 at 6:59 PM, aGENT said:We've posted about this elsewhere but IMO you ALWAYS add to your organization when given the opportunity. Sometimes that means selling (like we both agree we should do with Miller soon). Sometimes that's buying (like we did with getting Miller in the first place).
If it adds to your organization, you do it. Period. Doesn't matter 'where' your organization is in its cycle. It's the literal definition of team building. You BUILD.
yeahhhhh aight
On 2/3/2022 at 8:34 AM, aGENT said:Meh, not really. Eventual cap minor inconvenience maybe?
D, unlike forwards tend to be productive until 34. Look at how well Edler played for us at 35, and OEL is a MUCH better skater. At worst, we likely have a year or so where he is a minor problem at the end there. And by then, that's probably getting near second pair money, which he arguably will still play at, anyway.
His contract also expires at the same time as Hughes, so it causes no barrier there.
And we DESPERATELY need top 4 D, so I really don't get what all the fuss is about personally.
You got 50k post but know nothing about hockey - it's crazy.
On 3/8/2022 at 2:53 PM, Nave said:The way the draft shook out, I think we won the trade. If one of top 4 D were still there, I'd be singing a different tune.
On 3/9/2022 at 2:51 PM, canuck73_3 said:That doesn’t suit the narrative of Benning bad everyone else good though.
Jim is that you?
On 3/9/2022 at 12:44 PM, Me_ said:No. LE for another year is as stagnant as not doing anything about the Sedins as they dried up into stale cookies.
OEL for whatever amount of years he’s good for is excellent.
I’m sure OEL in 6 years will be better than what we had in LE, and probably better than whatever players we would’ve sunk six mil into.
On 3/9/2022 at 2:33 PM, Nave said:Benning did what he had to do to try and save his job. If he kept Loui, Beagle, and Roussel on the books, he would have been fired. It's easy for us to say he should have waited one more year, but ownership was not that patient.
Dumping those 3 for OEL and Garland was a savvy move. Both of those players have played well since joining us.
Obviously, if we did not do that, we would have tanked and ended up with a better draft pick; but instead we have a team that could make the playoffs. I'll take that.
It's not really the year to tank. It's a deep draft with an undefined top 3 with no generational talents.
Obviously, Benning was fired anyway, but we should at least understand where he was coming from. His one mistake was trusting Green.savvvyyyyy
On 3/9/2022 at 2:45 PM, HKSR said:I look at it as he identified dead cap in the lineup, and did what he needed to do to move it out, while also gaining useful players in return.
You need to realize MOST cap dumps are 1st round picks going the other way, and next to nothing coming back. The fact he was able to dump LE, Roussel, and Beagle with a 1st round pick and 2nd round pick, while bringing back Garland and OEL is pretty savvy.
Ruining this core's window and acquiring a cap anchor for 7 years = savvy.
Damn we Canuck fans really aren't that bright eh.
On 3/21/2022 at 5:19 AM, Spoosh said:I still dont think this is the trade that screws us. Both are playing well. Hindsight might again say it didn’t pan out perfectly, but the mess we have with the cap was signing LouiE, Jay, Antoine and guys like Myers to the numbers we did in the first place. An off year waiting would not have done our core any good and most likely JB and TG would still be here if they had taken that route in the first place.
We are better off as it is now.
On 10/22/2022 at 8:56 PM, aGENT said:He's a first pair D with a low end first pair, high end 2nd pair cap hit. That's not the problem.
A perfectly capable, but ill fitting 2nd pair D in Myers is a far bigger road block there. As are Virtanen/Holtby buyouts, Ferland, too many F's etc. You know, the ACTUAL cap/roster inefficiencies.
I see you're still in the denial stage of grief. Next will be anger.
On 10/23/2022 at 7:14 AM, Alflives said:Geunther isn’t much. But the trade was horrible for us anyway. We were only one year away from the three cap dumps we sent coming off our books.
Our owner’s “win now” philosophy worked during the Gillis era (clearly) but has been a complete disaster since.
damn the switch up is quick
didn't you love this trade?
[Trade] Canucks trade Jay Beagle, Loui Eriksson, Antoine Roussel, 2021 1st-round pick, 2022 2nd-round pick, 2023 7th-round pick to Coyotes for Oliver Ekman-Larsson, Conor Garland
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A lot of people called it from day one but got mass hate for being a 'hater' lol.