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    6th Pick: 2014 NHL Entry Draft

    in Prospects / Farm Team

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    Etem isn't that great at all, but he's a PPG player in the AHL at 21.

    He defines physicality, and speed.

    He's like Kane at center and was able to tally 100 points with Shinkaruk as his linemate. I wanna reunite them with a gangbuster new coach and see if we can be the new young offensive jugernaught we need to be.

    Kesler needs a contender now and we arn't one.

    Etem is a Left winger

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    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

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    I disagree.

    Where have you seen him show poor balance? . I agree that most of the highlights you see of the guy are his blazing end to end rushes . If you watch the full games you will see him shield the puck when at lower speeds in traffic. He has an excellent center of gravity.

    And yes, we need to make a sticky and a laundry list of ridiculous questions that have been asked and answered. Wont do much good. They just ask them again when they think the coast is clear.

    I've watched more than highlights (mooseheads final two rounds mostly) and he doesn't have poor balance per say, but his lower body strength is a bit of a weakness. Albeit, it's really nit picking because it's nothing major and it's quite evident he is still growing. He does get outmuscled from time to time along the boards from what I've seen, but he has great tenacity and is relentless when he turns the puck over. One thing you can't question, is his work ethic, and that goes a long long way. He's my pick at number 6 if nobody falls, but to get defensive and say he has no flaws is just flat out wrong, sorry.

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    6th Pick: 2014 NHL Entry Draft

    in Prospects / Farm Team

    Posted · Edited by Robongo

    I'm open to new draft rankings, but I did some research into Pronman, and he doesn't seem to have the keenest eye. That is, if he even watches prospects. Anyway, it's hindsight but it's worth a look, here's his rankings from 2011 (I figure 3 years is a big enough gap to see which are NHLers or at least close):

    http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/puck/article.php?articleid=955

    Now I don't expect anyone to get everything right, but he's made some notable errors. Landeskog at 13 is astounding, as is Hamilton at 12, and Scheifele at 28 doesn't make much sense either. To his credit, he did have Saad and Rattie in the early 20s, though even he missed out on Jenner at 32. Anyways, if that helps discredit him and the blender he took to actual scouts' rankings then I think I've accomplished my goal.

    Conversley Mckenzie had a much more accurate list, not only in terms of where players went but also NHL success (thus far).

    http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=44969

    For those that don't have previous drafts close to memorized: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2011e.html

    This is just confirming what I've said from the outset, that hockey blog sites like hockeyprospectus and their jumble rankings really don't hold up to actual experts and hockey analysts. I could of course use other drafts to back up this point, and I'm more than confident that any previous draft comparing McKenzie to Pronman would have McKenzie win outright.

    My real point however, is that while Nylander may be top 3 to Pronman, he's a mere 12th to an actual analyst. That being said, McKenzie has Ritchie where we pick, Ehlers at 7 and Virtanen at 8th. So please, let's get back to the Virtanen/Ehlers/Ritchie debate, and leave Kapanen/Nylander to later picks.

    According to most scouts Nylander has the highest offensive potential, even the Canucks scouts acknowledge this, according to Sekeres. However there are a lot of negatives with him, such as his attitude, work ethic , consistency etc. Pronman in no way is perfect, but as I said earlier, he gives a fresh perspective on who he thinks will turn out to be the best players in the draft. He watches far more hockey than any anyone on here would like to pretend to, but by no means does that make his list absolute. He obviously doesn't consider size as much as most do, he tends to look at the skill sets more so. I would never pay to read his work, but at the same time I appreciate the time he puts into it and the in depth explanations he provides to his rankings.

    He's also acknowledged that Landeskog is one of his biggest errors, and he simply thought that his skill set wouldn't translate as well as it has to the NHL and his numbers in junior were good but not great.

    WcF: Chicago Blackhawks vs Los Angeles Kings

    in General Hockey Discussion

    Posted · Edited by Robongo

    I dunno about Cinderella run. Last time they just dominated anyone in their path. More vulnerable this time around IMO.

    Well they have been underdogs in each of their series so far, and they again will be underdogs against the hawks. So it's not the circumstances this time, however I think. Regardless, what they've been able to accomplish this year is nothing short of remarkable, especially with their injuries on D.

    LA is much healthier this year and has Gaborik as well so you figure it'll be a closer series...

    But I just don't like how they match up against the Blackhawks, especially after playing 14 games through 2 rounds against big, tough teams.

    Both Mitchell and Regehr, two of their top 4, are injured. Not to mention Doughty has been rumored to be injured and getting treatment between periods(although the way he's playing, you'd have a hard time being able to tell)

    WcF: Chicago Blackhawks vs Los Angeles Kings

    in General Hockey Discussion

    Posted

    Tough one to call, it's going to go seven games this year and the games will be tighter than last year IMO. There is less separating the teams this year and Toews is apparently injured (although you couldn't tell from his play). Kopitar is easily a Conn Smythe candidate and has been hands down the best player in this playoffs so far IMO. Going to be a great series, and I feel the winner of this will win the Cup.

    Nikolaj Ehlers

    in Canucks Talk

    Posted

    You are trying to talk to a guy who has been told this 5 times already. You are wasting your time. He just makes up whatever he wants to believe.

    This idea of being 'heavy' on the puck actually means 'strong' on the puck. Ehlers is very difficult to knock off the puck. His center of gravity is excellent. He is also one of the best forecheckers in the QMJHL and part of it is because he wants the puck and you can see it whenever he plays.

    So I take it this 'heavy' on the puck must be some way where Ehlers would not be eligible due to the size advantage for Ritchie. Its a novel way to create a concrete negative that he thinks cannot be questioned.

    If you want to spend your time correcting myths and then re correcting myths and then furthermore correct them some more then be my guest. At some point you may want to stop and ask yourself if these guys have an honest objection or are just using excuses to perpetually argue.

    I would say Ehlers' balance is actually one of his weaknesses. The thing is you don't get to see him knocked off the puck too often because of his blazing speed. The good news is, this is very much correctable and he's not done growing either . After his first year playing in North America he likely realizes what he really has to work on. He's a top 5 player skill wise in this draft and he'd be ranked accordingly had he had another year in the q previously .

    This thread has been a constant regurgitation of the same unsubstantiated claims over and over, regardless of the information to the contrary and thus an overall giant waste of time.

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