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    [Trade] Canucks trade Tyler Motte to Rangers for 2023 4th-round pick

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    Posted · Edited by Jayinblack

    2 hours ago, Coconuts said:

    See, I can respect that. I see things a bit differently, because what the Canucks management and Motte couldn't agree to prior to the deadline on March 21st and what'll be available within the first couple days of free agency could be very different things. Maybe Motte goes to market having been sold on how much he's worth by his agent and finds out teams aren't willing to pay what he wants, or maybe he gets it, or maybe somewhere in the middle. But at the end of the day management wasn't comfortable with what he wanted in terms of a contract yesterday. Now, will that leak? Given how little we've gotten from this management in terms of leaks I wouldn't count on it. 

     

    If Motte goes to market and gets a contract Canucks fans would have happily signed him to that doesn't mean that's what was on the table leading up to the deadline, or that it's what Motte would have accepted yesterday. 

     

    I liked Motte as a player too, and he was a great human being, but fans get waaaaay too attached to players. And I mean, I get it, but they're assets at the end of the day and the business side and the management of the team and cap is more important than keeping everyone. Teams see players go every year, players that fanbases enjoy even. That's just the business. 

     

    Anywhere? Nah. But can you find them? Yeah. Top third and fourth liners typically get more, but third and fourth liners as a whole aren't hard to find or plug in. Would a Lockwood or Jasek be as effective as a Motte starting out? Of course not, but to expect that is silly. Motte wouldn't be as effective as he has been if we hadn't given him a chance either. Many viewed him as an underwhelming return for Vanek years back and now folks don't want to let go. But yes, there are players with heart on every roster, go ask all the fanbases who they have. Watch games that don't involve the Canucks if you don't, I do. Heart and intangibles aren't this mythological thing possessed by a few rare players, every team around the league has it in their lineup and you see players with it playing in lesser leagues.

     

    I get the point of your list too, but I can list a list too. A list over overpaid or supposedly ineffective bottom six players I've seen fans complain about the last 4-5 seasons. 

     

    Sutter, Beagle, Player Name, Baertschi, Roussel, Schaller, Virtanen, Gagner, Prust. Hell, even Pearson would be lumped in there by some despite being an adequate middle six tweener. 

     

    Point is we can't simultaneously complain about overpaid bottom six players and then fuss about management moving on when bottom six players want too much. Finding the sweet spot with a contract is hard, but when your management group consistently overpays guys it impacts the entire roster. Some folks point at this move as a ruthless move that shows management isn't willing to reward effort, I don't see it that way, I see it as a move that demonstrates this team wants to be serious about competing, which means managing cap and trying to pay assets fairly without paying more than they think they should. 

     

    We're a capped out team that's unlikely to make the playoffs in part because of past overpayments. 

    I agree.... plus it sets a standard that the new mgmt team can work with moving fwd when other players (especially the higher end ones) are faced with re-signing at what the team has set it's "salary tiering" at or accepting that they'll be moved to try and get more elsewhere.   

     

    No more team caving and overpaying to re-sign a player before the TDL, and no more holding onto them hoping negotiations go well after the TDL.

    It's what we've been wanting for a long time.

     

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    [PGT] Calgary Flames at Vancouver Canucks | Mar. 19, 2022

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    2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

    If they beat BUF tonight, should that change things?  I don't think so, this team isn't good enough. I find it interesting that JR and Allvin are going to wait and see how the game play out and then decide tomorrow. Maybe they should decide today, because nothing going to change by tomorrow.  Tear it down, keep Miller if they must but only if he re-signs for $8 and no more than 5 years.  If he wants to moon, then say goodbye in the off season.  They got to make trades tomorrow, and more than Motte.  

     

     

    I don't think that's what they're doing.  I think their decisions are made and they are waiting to tmrw to let the market play out and the offers (hopefully) improve.

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    [Rumour] Tyler Motte drawing interest

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    Posted

    3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

    Motte is only 27, and he's a heck of a player.  Got his neck fixed last summer, so is healthy to play his game.  Yes, we should definitely keep him and for the contract you suggest.

    But we have Dickinson making that money.  What do we do with him?  can't pay him and keep Motte.  Won't work.

    Answered your own question really

    [PGT] Tampa Bay Lightning at Vancouver Canucks | Mar. 13, 2022

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    12 hours ago, Kragar said:

    Interesting idea.

     

    I'm torn over reviews in general.  The delays suck, but it's important to get things right.

     

    What really gets my goat is when they miss an offside, and the team takes a penalty trying to defend. If the offside was called correctly, no penalty would have happened, but the offside isn't reviewable in that case.

     

    Oh well, sh!# happened, better luck Tuesday. And, hopefully better start, too.

    I'd rather they err on the side of plays being onside, because they can be challenged after. 

    We just had an incorrect offside call cost us a great scoring chance the other night (which nothing can be done about)

     

    Maybe coaches should be allowed to challenge a penalty as well as a goal if they suspect the play was offside ? 

    [PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Toronto Maple Leafs | Mar. 05, 2022

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    5 minutes ago, therodigy said:

    I was there! Leafs fans were salty tonight! 

     

    "There should've been a penalty after the Michigan..."

     

    "That Dermott penalty was weak..."

     

    Man... I don't know if the Canucks will make the playoffs, but they're certainly making things interesting. I have to say though, the Leafs really exposed our D tonight. Matthews, Marner, and Robertson were all over the ice, and Tavares was sneaky with his tips. Could've easily had a hat trick if not for Demko's inhuman play. I have a feeling he's going to be leaned exclusively, depending on the standings leading up to the TDL and beyond. 

     

    Also, I nearly peed myself when Boeser set up Matthews 1st goal... maybe that's why he got the 1st star?

     

    Go Canucks Go!

    Agreed our D had a rough one but despite too many odd man rushes i thought our lack of speed showed the most.   We got pinned in our end a lot and just couldn't seem to win foot races to loose pucks to get us out of our end. 

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    [PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Toronto Maple Leafs | Mar. 05, 2022

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    10 minutes ago, -DLC- said:

    What we're seeing here is a team that really wants to get into the playoffs. That 3rd period showed us exactly that.

     

    Are they inconsistent as hell? Yep. But they're learning not to be. Confidence does a lot for that end of things. They don't roll over and die when they very well could. Road games aren't easy and we have to give credit where it's due.

     

    If you don't have faith in this team, that's fine. But I think they do and that's what matters most. They just could surprise some people here.

    You can really see that confidence in the young guys.... Hogs and Pods had great games.

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    [Rumour] Tyler Motte drawing interest

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    On 2/17/2022 at 2:58 AM, Outsiders said:

    Motte is worth around 2.5 million. 

     

    We can't pay him anything more than 1.5

     

    There comes a point where these guys are replaceable with younger and cheaper players. I'd say Motte is definitely traded at the deadline. 

    Other trades can change that.  So it comes down to which assets mgmt wants to keep during our contending window

    [Rumour] Canucks getting calls on Conor Garland

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    Posted · Edited by Jayinblack

    8 hours ago, Outsiders said:

    What about a Garland + for Nylander?

     

    Garland would put up roughly the same amount of pts as Willy in TOR and he is 2 mill cheaper. The Laughs defs need to shed cap and address goaltending... 

     

    Thoughts? Or am I out to lunch :lol:?

    We're not in a position to take on that 2 mill though.   Maybe if they took Poolman too.  They need RD depth, and he's currently on LTIR so they may be able to make the cap work till playoffs).

    [Waivers] Lane Pederson

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    Posted

    17 hours ago, RWJC said:

    Oh come on man. Like I said in another thread, the refs put the whistles away for everyone in the playoffs. Unfortunately the Canucks weren’t built to withstand that in post season. They did an admirable and incredible job, but were simply physically outplayed and eventually pummelled into submission. 
     

    Was it rough and dirty hockey? Absolutely!

    But no one cheated. There was just not enough left for push back. 

     

    Just not for Aaron Rome  :bigblush:

    [Rumour] Boeser On Block

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    Posted

    1 hour ago, stawns said:

    I'd do Tomasino, Prokop and a first in a heartbeat. 

     

    Tomasino is already an NHL C at 20 and Prokop is a very big body, mobile dman who is more on the defensive side.  As Petey and Tomadino emerge, Horvat can focus on being the solid two way C he is without the pressure of having to be a top producer of offense.

     

    Or, Tomasino makes Petey expendable at the end of his deal.

    Id do that deal too. Would love to get Tomasino +

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