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1 hour ago, stawns said:
You don't think they offensive fire power?
Bo
Petey
Hughes
Miller
Kuz
Mik
Garland
Boeser
Bo will be gone. Kuzmenko should be gone. Miller isn't a center. It doesn't matter that the players you listed are skilled if the players on other teams' rosters are levels above this, are younger, and are on better contracts.
Kopitar
Fiala
Kempe
Kaliyev
Byfield
Iafallo
Danault
Arvidsson
Vilardi
Doughty
McDavid
Drai
Hyman
Kane
Bouchard
Barrie
RNH
Lindholm
Kadri
Hubredeau
Toffoli
Magiapane
Backlund
Dube
Eichel
Stone
Karlsson
Marchessault
Roy
Kessel
Smith
Stephenson
The idea that the Canucks are somehow uniquely positioned with offensive firepower is false.
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1 hour ago, stawns said:
Buy 50/50 for the Abby Canucks, half the proceeds go to Canucks for kids
Half the proceeds got to Canucks for kids. 9% of that 50% actually goes to kids. That's literally what the link I posted showed.
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6 minutes ago, stawns said:
With the fire power this team has, cutting their goals against will allow them to win significantly more games........I'm pretty confident they'd be in the playoff conversation, if not in a playoff spot.
Don't be fooled by the complete lack of defensive structure.........they're not nearly as bad as they seem. It's much more circumstance than ability, or lack thereof.
There's nothing more important to success than strong systems
They do not have fire power. They have one elite forward (Pettersson) and one elite dman (Hughes). But take a look at who is ahead of them in the standings... they all have as much, if not more, elite firepower. And they especially have more depth. The only place the Canucks have depth is on the wings, but the problem is that this is the least valued position and too many of these wingers fill the same/similar role. The Canucks' depth on the wing is actually a problem.
Improved structure matters. But in the grand scheme of things, if the goal is to be an elite team, improved structure does not matter if your depth still sucks. Winning significantly more games still won't be enough to put this team in the playoffs.
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10 hours ago, stawns said:
Disagree, if they'd had a proper system coach in there things would be different. They've got more than enough talent to be good, but they're not good enough defensively to play the run and gun style BB likes. They need defensive structure.
44 minutes ago, stawns said:I didn't say "good", I said big difference.
I've been saying for two years they need to balance the roster, but if they had a coach with a strong defensive system, they'd likely be on the wild card bubble, if not in.
This team can score and with a some structure on defense they'd win more games than they'd lose
You suggested that they have enough talent to be good. I can't disagree with you more. Will defensive structure make a difference? Yes. Will this difference matter? No.
Actually, the better defensive structure will matter. It will help pull them into the bottom 10-13 teams in the league instead of the bottom 6-9. Great.
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If you're thinking of donating money to charity, reconsider donating to Canucks for Kids Fund:
For every dollar you donate, just 9 cents will actually go to the cause. Your money will go a lot further to helping children if you look at more reputable charities.
https://www.charityintelligence.ca/charity-details/532-canucks-for-kids-fund
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6 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:
I'm still wondering when I hear this comment what would have been the right treatment?
Don't publicly comment by saying things like "Bruce is the coach for now" and let it be known that you're actively pursuing other options.
To be clear, I think Bruce needed to go AND I think it is smart to be proactive in searching for a replacement. However, don't drag things out in the media for basically four months where you openly question the ability of the person who is part of your team.
Bruce was owed no loyalty. However, it seems pretty clear to me that what the Canucks' front office was doing went beyond "just business". As the head coach, Boudreau has to face the media basically every day. So every day he is in the firing line being asked questions about his job security and the people who supposedly are in leadership positions did nothing to protect him. Some could just say that the coach needs to suck it up and that he's being paid to do a job. That could partly be true, but if you have any designs on running an organization that attracts the best in the world, you need to have leaders who try to put people in positions to succeed.
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4 minutes ago, stawns said:
Strong defensive systems are made for teams without game changing players and they're much more effective. You put a strong systems coach on the bench and you'd see a huge difference, even without demko. A good system is the great equalizer
Aside from Edmonton and Anaheim, every team I listed in the Pacific Division has a decent systems coach. Anaheim will eventually get stronger and a good system with this personnel still won't beat McDavid and Draisaitl in a seven game series.
This team is not simply a coach away from being good... or at least being the type of team that will bring a Stanley Cup to Vancouver.
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4 minutes ago, DeNiro said:
Well said.
Rutherford: “We need to play with more structure grumble grumble grumble”
**Proceeds to do absolutely nothing to improve the D, penalty kill, or assistant coaches.
“Why didn’t things improve??”
Rutherford admitted he underestimated how difficult his job is. It is a major red flag that the President of Hockey Operations was more delusional about this team than the majority of its fanbase.
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10 minutes ago, stawns said:
Disagree, if they'd had a proper system coach in there things would be different. They've got more than enough talent to be good, but they're not good enough defensively to play the run and gun style BB likes. They need defensive structure.
The truly don't. They have one top 4 defenceman and only two non replacement-level centers in Petey and Bo. They have a gluttony of talented wingers, the least valuable position in the modern NHL. Defensive structure will undoubtedly help this team. They will be a better team under a new coach. They will not be a good team. They will never be a good team until this organization stops trying to squeeze blood from a stone. If they continue business as usual this team will spend the remainder of Hughes/Petey's tenure as Canucks playing playoff-like games in November because this team doesn't have the depth to be a good team.
They are the sixth best team in their own division and the Kings are only going to get better. The Ducks have one of the top prospect systems in the NHL.
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16 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:
I've said it before, but I genuinely feel bad for the players. They are underperforming, but not by much. This team was never built the right way. Players are not put in positions to succeed because they're playing too far up in the lineup. The circus created by the front office has resulted in an impossible situation.
This team doesn't need a rebuild it needs a factory reset.
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The Canucks' ownership is so incompetent they botched a decision that a month ago most fans would have been on board with, or at least understood.
Even the 'right' decision is wrong because the process by which this organization does anything is fundamentally flawed.
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Horvat won't be traded to Seattle because Frankie is too much of a coward and would be worried about losing fans to the Kraken.
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Imagine going to dinner, having a server bring out your order, looking you in the eye, spitting in your food, and then walking away. The only thing more insane would be going back to that restaurant two nights later. Francesco is spitting in Canucks fans' food but people are still going back to his restaurant.
This is how that Aqualinis run their businesses. We should not be surprised in the least that this is what is happening to the Canucks.
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4 minutes ago, Sophomore Jinx said:Canucks HC gets emotional while discussing future (msn.com)
It's probably been mentioned here already re his (coach BB) pre-game/morning skate media availability with Colorado reporters, if so apologies to all.
Man, I can't help but feel for coach BB, and as a 50 year fan of this team, seeing the raw emotion from Bruce this just pisses me off more and more about the owner and his new cronies in the FO.
It was and has been handled so poorly, and shamefully, and if it does come to fruition with Tocchet arriving here next week ( in all likelihood) I wish nothing but the best for Bruce Boudreau and his family, in all of his /their future endeavours.
He's a passionate and likeable human being first and foremost, and an equally as good coach, and I will miss the old lug.
We should not be surprised that an ownership group that has made its fortune from being slumlords and underpaying blueberry farm workers treats its employees and customers with such disrespect. This is what they do. This is their operating philosophy.
An organization would be absolutely incompetent if they fired their head coach without first checking in on who was available and interviewing potential replacements. But, you absolutely do not make that public, especially if you're going to drag things out for months as Rutherford et al. have. Boudreau doesn't have a right to expect management to be loyal to him, but he is absolutely entitled to dignity and respect and the ownership and executives on this team have shown him none.
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LAK place Ryan Murray on IR and call-up Arber Xhekaj
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Growing up in Haida Gwaii in the 90s, I don't think there was a single athlete more universally loved than Gino Odjick
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9 hours ago, eeeeergh said:
I find it hard to have sympathy for the working conditions of athletes being paid millions of dollars
teams with far less talent have played far better
too many games you just have to look at the shot block count to figure out how much most of these guys care
How much money would it take for you to not care about the thing you are most passionate about?
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At this point I genuinely feel bad for the players. Year after year there is incredible pressure for a substandard team to make the playoffs. Unreasonable expectations and extended losing streaks mean that by November every game feels like a must-win. Do the players under-perform sometimes? Absolutely. But you create a terrible work environment that persists for a decade and of course you're going to get poor performances.
This team is not built to make the playoffs but that doesn't stop executives from saying that anything short of playoffs is a dramatic failure. This team is getting to the point where Petey and Hughes are going to be too old to be part of a rebuild lol.
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The Pittsburgh Penguins have been struggling to score goals and are wasting Crosby's insane (for his age) 5v5 production. This team has a history of always going for it (how can you not with Sid/Malkin?) and loves is C depth (e.g., Sutter, Staal).
Horvat can fill that 3C role and drive his own line with speed. He can also fill the bumper position on the PP, allowing Crosby to play down low and Geno on the half-wall.
Depending on Pittsburgh's IR situation, Canucks would have to retain salary. This is probably necessary with any Horvat trade.
The return:
Owen Pickering. The Pens' first round pick in 2022 hasn't had a great start to his season in terms of point totals. However, 6'3 smooth skating dmen are hard to come by.
2023 2nd round pick. I truly don't think Horvat can fetch a recent first round pick AND a 2023 first round pick, especially given he's on an expiring contract. At least this time its the Canucks trading for a second round pick.
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LAK recall Chris Tierny and assign Tyson Foerster to the minors (No waivers).
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Yellowstone: 4/10
Holy crap is this show totally unaware. Totally cheesy/soapy/campy but thinks that it is Breaking Bad/Ozarks of the Midwest. There are definitely some good parts, but I just can't take it seriously.
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10 hours ago, Gator said:
Whoever gets pick 1 next year wins (unless Bedard won't participate)
Unless I am picking first overall again... big brained that one.
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I love watching Bedard, but TSN's persistent mentioning of records is exhausting.
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Fleishmann is in Trouble: 9/10
Really enjoying this one. Very slow and not a ton happens, but it is a good character study and a look at divorce from different angles.
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Posted · Edited by Down by the River
If I donate $100 to Canucks for kids, kids get $9.
If I donate $11 to Boys and Girls Clubs, kids get $10
If I donate $15 to BC Children's Hospital, kids get $10
Edited out the dickishness of my reply