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13 hours ago, coho8888 said:
People that are worried about long term effects don't really understand how modern vaccines work. You are more likely to get long term health issues from eating too much tuna than what the vaccines will give you. But even if you feel the way you do, what is the alternative to not taking them? Posters come on here all the time complaining about restrictions causing depression, vaccines that they think are not thoroughly tested and yet none have provided any viable solutions.
Can you imagine if we didn't have any vaccines ready? With these variants circulating? If you think the restrictions were tough before, I'd hate to see what they would be if there were no vaccines available.
Ok who cares about long term effects of the vaccine then, going by the video you posted and I just quoted do you care about long term effects of covid if you catch it? Or do you not care?
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13 hours ago, coho8888 said:
This guy claims to be a doctor....
For a guy who claims to be a doctor why is so upset about wearing a mask? Aren't doctors used to wearing masks why is he so against a mask? I could see his frustration regarding lock downs but that upset over a mask really wow... Does this guy also know all the long term effects of covid already? Or a good question is does anyone actually care?
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2 minutes ago, EOTM said:
Well 18 countries suspended it and most of them started using it again. The ones that didn't had already secured deals with Pfizer and Moderna. I think the only country to do that was Denmark.
And then you have the Johnson and Johnson one again not considered experimental according to them.
FDA adds new warning on Johnson & Johnson vaccine related to rare autoimmune disorder
The Food and Drug Administration announced a new warning for the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine on Monday, saying the shot has been linked to a serious but rare side effect called Guillain-Barré syndrome, in which the immune system attacks the nerves.
About 100 preliminary reports of Guillain-Barré have been detected in vaccine recipients after the administration of 12.8 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in the United States, according to a companion statement from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which monitors vaccine safety systems with the FDA. Of these reports, 95 were serious and required hospitalization, the FDA statement said. There was one death. Neither agency provided details about the death.
The cases have largely been reported about two weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many aged 50 and older, according to the CDC. Most people fully recover from Guillain-Barré.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/12/johnson-and-johnson-warning/
I get this is a small amount out of how many have taken the vaccine, but definitely looks like their still learning what it's doing to humans, and imo that's an experiment.
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1 minute ago, EOTM said:
You should read the article I posted. The only thing that expediated the testing was that animal trials and human trials were allowed to happen at the same time. Normally there are years between trials while the data sits and waits to be gone over. In this case everything else was put to the side and all the money was thrown at it to expediate the process but not the clinical trials.
Okay then again why is AZ not being considered a good enough vaccine for people to have? Some Countries stopped using it, supposedly for traveling they may not let you travel if you have that vaccine, but why? If it's not considered experimental why is it not considered good enough?
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Just now, EOTM said:
It's not a claim. They went through all 3 trials. The experiment is over after those trials. The speed of the trials wasn't expedited however the red tape between them was.
Here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2M70MW
Also you realize you've been talking about mrna and then brought up astrazeneca right?
Yes totally aware, so how did they pass all the test almost just as quick?
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43 minutes ago, EOTM said:
When coke puts out a new vanilla bean chocolate cherry flavored pop is that experimental in your mind?
What is your obsession with food and this vaccine
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40 minutes ago, EOTM said:
And so...they went through all 3 trials. They have also been used in trials before.
So not experimental. You know what an experiment is right?
Yeah I'll give you this, they claim its not experimental now because all the proper and thorough testing was done, so yes your correct because they're labeling it like this, although I disagree when a vaccine is mass produced on a scale like this using a new technology never approved before on humans to use for everyone I definitely consider that experimental still.
They claimed all the vaccines produced are not experimental because they all went through thorough testing, so Astrazeneca is still recommend to take? It's not experimental because they said so, so there should be no problem with taking the vaccine right? They won't be restricted from traveling at all if they received this non experimental vaccine....
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50 minutes ago, Kurgom said:
Well, immunocompromised were given priority for mRNA vaccines, because they do not carry live virus like old fashioned vaccines which they are advised against.
You are a good man with good intentions, but you've been mislead and misguided.
Like I've stated I'm just skeptical still, especially with how quick the vaccine came out, and in my next response to the other poster who quoted me check that response, hence you'll see my skepticism.
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What about a SARS vaccine? Vaccine studies for SARS-CoV-1 were started and tested in animal models. An inactivated whole virus was used in ferrets, nonhuman primates and mice. All of the vaccines resulted in protective immunity, but there were complications; the vaccines resulted in an immune disease in animals. No human studies were done, nor were the vaccine studies taken further because the virus disappeared. Many factors were involved in the end of SARS-CoV-1, perhaps including summer weather, and certainly strict quarantine of all those who had contact with infected individuals, but we don’t really know why the epidemic ended. Viruses are like that, unpredictable!
Many of the vaccines being developed for SARS-CoV-2 are quite different, and many use only small portions of the virus, or the virus RNA. This may circumvent the problems with SARS-CoV-1 vaccines that used more of the virus. Vaccine development has a large experimental component; we just have to make educated guesses and try different things and see what works. Hence, many different avenues for vaccines are being tested by different labs around the world.
https://theconversation.com/the-mysterious-disappearance-of-the-first-sars-virus-and-why-we-need-a-vaccine-for-the-current-one-but-didnt-for-the-other-137583
I was looking into Sars and the use of vaccine for that virus and humans, it did seem to be effective against the Sars virus itself, but it ended up causing immune system problems that was definitely alarming to see. Now onto this virus, don't they say people with immune system problems should not be taking the vaccine.... Just because they say it's safe I guess they're right.....
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2 minutes ago, bigbadcanucks said:
Big Pharma...do you actually trust any of them?
My sister is an exec with Pfizer's Cardiology Drug Medicine Group and you should see the big pharma kool-aid she's drinking. We have some very interesting conversations at Christmas time...especially since I was an exec with a Big-Tobacco company til I left that industry in 2004.
Oh I could see those arguments, especially coming from a company that tried to claim Tobacco was safe, even had doctors telling their patients smoking was safe back in the day
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1 minute ago, Kurgom said:
I'm not sure what that has to do with something being experimental. The effects of smartphones on sleep and health are still being studied and won't be fully known for a decade. No one screeched about the iPhone being experimental technology when they lined up to buy one. mRNA vaccines have been in development for a decade and now are getting full FDA approval. This argument that mRNA is "experimental" just tells me the person arguing doesn't have much respect or understanding of the scientific process.
Ok then please show me where it shows that before Pfizer and Moderna how many Vaccines that used mRNA have been "approved" for use in humans? None. How is it not experimental? Just because they have done years of testing makes it now not experimental.... huh.....
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38 minutes ago, BPA said:
Nice quote.
Please provide a link from where you got that from.
Thanks.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599
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37 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:
*cough* profit motive *cough*
Obviously there are lots of conspiracies, I still believe their intent is to help people no matter what, but trusting them with results on something they're still learning on something that is still experimental whether people want to acknowledge that or not, is hard to trust a bit. I give major props to the people willing to trust them and experiment with this, I do believe it is helping with fighting the virus but it also isn't a cure and as time is going on were finding out more information on the effectiveness of the vaccine, I do hope it is safe in the end. I'm just still skeptical and want to see more results first, but doesn't mean I'm not taking the virus serious now or anything, I continue to mask up and glove up to prevent spread as much as possible.
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1 hour ago, Kurgom said:
That's nice to know they've done homework, but I wasn't aware a phone had a disease that was killing that many people and they need a cure for the phones....
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2 minutes ago, EOTM said:
The approved vaccines went through their 3 trials they aren't experimental. Eua does not mean the drug is experimental either in fact in order to get eua authorizations the vaccine still had to go through rigorous evaluations to determine safety.
Questions are always good especially when answers are pretty available. It's actually interesting how much they still have to go through for eua approval.
Not experimental you say...
I'll leave this then I'm done in here for today.
Never before have mRNA vaccines — such as the two-dose Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines that have now received emergency use authorization from the FDA — been approved for use in any disease.
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7 minutes ago, EOTM said:
I think again it would be the changing circumstances with the variants. As James bond villainy as it would be for it to be more than that I think the simplest answer is the right answer. When they announced late last year these variants weren't enough to be on the radar. I think you're right to question it but I doubt the answer is going to be that sinister.
These are questions people are interested in when an experimental drug is being released the way it is.
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What about pets I thought they can contract the virus? I saw a story of this woman jumping in a Monkey Zoo and they said another concern was she could be giving the monkeys covid due to her actions of jumping in, there was the mink outbreak due to covid, so what about pets and animals spreading the virus still... Pet Passports
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1 minute ago, EOTM said:
Moderna is also now talking about a booster. Things do change with conditions. Hell even j and j is looking like a viable option with the data coming out of south Africa and I pretty much thought that was like injecting a dumpster fire.
Yeah and that makes me question them a bit now, why would they need a booster if their vaccine effectiveness stays at 93% effective that's sill pretty good, I could see a company like Pfizer needing a booster since they reported it dropped to 84% effectiveness it will just drop faster after 6 months, but looks like according Moderna theirs is holding up strong.... Or maybe they know something they aren't letting us know yet....
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23 minutes ago, King Heffy said:
Almost like real-world conditions changed with variants.
So how come Moderna is staying at 93%? Moderna only drops 1.5% but Pfizer drops 11% with new variants. The one who claimed at the beginning to be the strongest, hmm.
Or the other question maybe is, is Moderna telling the truth....
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I'm going to open up another issue here, it really comes down to trusting. So if people remember when the Vaccine race was on last year, Pfizer came out first and said their vaccine was 90% effective, days later Moderna came out and said theirs was 94.5% effective, days later again Pfizer came out and now said theirs was 95% effective. To this date I always was skeptical regarding Pfizer and their claims, but lets look at the claims now, back in April this year Pfizer CEO said their vaccine effectiveness drops to 91.3% after 6 months, but last month again Pfizer CEO now says it drops to 84% effectiveness after 6 months. 2 days ago Moderna claims their vaccine is 93% effective after 6 months.
I'm skeptical about Pfizer now.
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1 minute ago, Alflives said:
I actually believe Canadians have the right, granted in our charter, to move freely between the Provinces. Although, that did get altered during the worst of the pandemic for ground travel in some provinces. People could fly to other Provinces but land travel was restricted.
I know it's not being implemented right now, but I can't think once they see other countriea doing it and the numbers of cases keep going up, they will try and implement something here, that's my concern a bit.
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5 minutes ago, Alflives said:
And the Covid non vaccinated will be allowed to travel (by their own means) between provinces too. It’s a passport for accessing businesses, like restaurants and such.
Well will see, this all new, will be interesting what they implement, I know Manitoba is already doing something like this on their phone for businesses but it's not a passport yet. I feel they will try and implement it for travel but then all provinces need to be on the same page for that to happen obviously.
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3 minutes ago, 4petesake said:
Ontario and New Brunswick are two of the provinces with mandatory vaccinations to attend school. Ontario and NB kids must be vaccinated against measles, diphtheria, tetanus, polio, mumps and rubella. Manitoba has mandatory measles vaccination. In BC it became mandatory for for parents to register the vaccination status of children with the school in 2019. In the event of an outbreak unvaccinated children would not be able to attend school for 21 days.But they're still allowed to travel correct?
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1 minute ago, Alflives said:
Do kids who don’t get the required child vaccines get to attend public schools? Or are they home schooled? So there are consequences (not fair to the kids really; it’s not their fault) for refusing required vaccines.
Yes they do that's how I got whooping cough as a kid, and then I gave it to my parents, it was bad.
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, I don't know do they force you to drink it before you get a passport 
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No never have stated once that we shouldn't be trying to not eliminate something, how long did it take to get a smallpox vaccine? I know the fastest vaccine in history was 4 years for the mumps in the 60's.