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  1. 11 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

    Read the post that you just quoted. It's not that complicated. Our toxic media twists quotes to suit their narrative. The whining sycophants use the twisted quotes as truth and ignore the actual quote.




    Another player agent just came out and said pretty much the same thing. Our media are toxic clowns who constantly spew negativity.

    Ok I get it, I get what your getting at my bad. Yes there are some media that will spin things out of control, that just part of the job, all about views, they do twist things on purpose and if you get people talking about, then they've hit a HR it's all about publicity and sometimes bad is good crazy enough. 


    Again though I was basing my judgment on a guy like Dreger then over our media here, I believe he heard things going on over the last few years and I trust his judgment. 

  2. 5 hours ago, RWMc1 said:

    So Colorado took Kadri, rosen and a 3d over Jake and a 1st?   It doesn't really matter because that wasn't my point.   


    People actually claim(ed) that Benning said that he was shopping him. He didn't. He even said that he wasn't.   Whether he was shopping him or not was not my point. I was talking about false claims made by fans based on a misquote.


    My point was that people twist quotes to suit their negative narrative. The speculation that you provided was based on "chatter". The Jake speculation thread, that was started on CDC, was based off of the quote I provided earlier. I wonder where the "chatter" came from.

    [Speculation] Canucks looking to move Jake Virtanen       P 27            T R & S



    You can see further evidence where Bo's agents words were twisted into him wanting out of Vancouver. It's always based on a negative agenda using negative assumptions.


    Just look in this thread. All the whiners are assuming that OEL will play badly and are already whining about it even though he hasn't even played a game for us yet.


    It's all part of a pattern that keeps repeating from the snivellers and the media clowns.



    I really don't care what Benning says tbh, because its not always the truth, when playing poker do always show your cards all the time? Probably not. Well you originally quoted me after having a conversation with another poster claiming Benning wasn't shopping him that's all made up media crap, I don't know where you're going with this anymore tbh.


    Regarding Bo and his agent there is something there actually, its not much but he did in a way say there is frustration and it is taking a toll on him, not enough though that he's going to request a trade or anything like that, but definitely if things don't change in the next couple years when he needs to resign he may look elsewhere that is always a possibility especially if things don't change like standings wise and making playoffs. 

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  3. 26 minutes ago, gurn said:

    They lost too many pitchers 

    David Phelps

    KIrby Yates       both gone for the year

    Carl Edwards has been out since June 17, expected back Aug17


    This link shows them missing 8 pitchers.


    Don't see any link, but I know they took a hit early with injuries, but they still didn't really do anything before the season to get an ace starter in what they needed to compete, and definitely another strong middle reliever, instead they decided to spend the money on Springer to boast their offense when that was needed.....

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  4. 7 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

    That quote was from right after the Playoffs.


    He refuted shopping Jake before last season started. That's when he said that he was giving Jake    a wake up call. (paraphrase)


    Many media people perpetuated that but the original rumour started from the quote that I provided.

    Well the rumors have started all the way back in 2018 tbh at the draft when he was almost moved that barley anyone knows about, but there was this one in 2019.


    The latest one comes from longtime Colorado Avalanche writer Adrian Dater, who is reporting that he’s heard trade “chatter” concerning the Vancouver Canucks.


    The Canucks, Dater says, are offering Jake Virtanen and a 2020 first-round pick to the Avalanche in exchange for defenceman Tyson Barrie.


    Who Dater is I don't know but again Dreger came out and said Canucks were interested in Barrie


    Dreger - Teams have been talking with the Avalanche and kicking the tires on Tyson Barrie and Carl Soderberg. Vancouver and Arizona have been in the mix there. There's other activity surrounding the Canucks as well as the Rangers. Things should get interesting tonight. #NHLDraft


    I just don't believe everything Benning says, he also claimed Loui Eriksson was going to be this scoring forward for the Canucks, looks like he lied there :lol: 

  5. 1 minute ago, RWMc1 said:

    This is the quote that everyone twisted into Benning is shopping Jake.


    “I thought he worked and competed hard in the playoffs. He scored that big goal for us in Game 6. To be perfectly honest with you, though, I was expecting more from Jake in the playoffs,” Benning said on Sportsnet 650 on Tuesday afternoon. “He can skate, he’s strong. He can get to the net. He’s a guy we’re going to have to talk about here going forward. We’ve been patient with him in his development, but he’s a guy I was expecting to produce more for us.”


    Whether he was or not, I don't know. I'm saying that Benning never said that he was shopping Jake, yet people claim that he did based on that quote.

    Well as you can see I'm trusting a guy like Dreger for if Virtanen was being shopped or not at the deadline, and he seemed to have inside scoop that there was something going on I trust that.


    Regarding that quote, it seems more like frustration from Benning for not moving Virtanen :lol:

  6. Looking at the standings it says the Jays are 4.0 games back of a wild card spot, Oakland has 56 wins Jays have 49 wins I'd say they're 7 games back really, without getting the pitching help I just don't think it's possible for the Jays. Blame management on this one imo, they've waited too long should of done something before, should of never signed Springer and just got help for what you needed PITCHING, just seems like a waste of a season because they couldn't address the area that needed to be fixed before the season started, and they still can't get help, what a waste. 

  7. 40 minutes ago, RWMc1 said:

    I don't make crap up. I have a memory. I'm not searching for the quote to mollify you though. He said what he said.



    I never said he never said that, he probably did, but that's not what I'm addressing with you. You want to make a claim that he wasn't being shopped at all because Benning said so, and it was all fake news media creating a buzz, so why would a guy like Darren Dreger who's been around the league for a long time for credible rumors just decide oh today I'm going to just start making fake news rumors on Virtanen, with all the sources he has why would he just wake up and make a random rumor then? You can believe Benning all you want, but they also don't tell the truth all the time, but when a guy like Darren Dreger comes out with a rumor of something he heard I'm going to trust his judgment a bit more because I do believe he has a lot more inside credible sources than anyone on CDC.


    Dreger on Insider Trading says some teams do have interest in Jake Virtanen and those teams are paying close attention to his TOI.#Canucks want a young forward in return. Dreger says keep this one on the watch list.


    Oh but Benning said he wasn't shopping Virtanen, so this guy is just fake news then?

  8. 21 hours ago, RWMc1 said:

    We weren't shopping him last year. That is a false narrative perpetuated by media and CDC. Benning called him out and that was twisted in to he was being shopped. Except Benning went on record saying that they weren't trying to trade him and that he was just sending him a message. Virtanen worked harder in the off season and came in to camp in shape so it seems like he got the message.

    I think he was already walking on eggshells when Brock and Petey threw him under the bus before the season even started. They criticized his defensive game and as a result, I saw Jake focusing on the defensive side to the detriment of his offensive game. He started to round out his game and was playing better when the scandal hit.


    He's was on the wrong side of the popularity contest fans before the incident came to light. If you go back to the patrick kane thread, you can see how many people defended him; It's bizarre. He was accused of drugging and raping a woman.


    Speed size and skill. Some team is going to get a good player who can move up and down the line up.

    Are you actually friends with Benning? Because how do you really know? I've been seeing this a lot on this board lately, anytime there is a rumor now it's fake news all the time now? Like this is starting to get ridiculous and Benning is the only guy who tells the truth all the time? Again we don't really know if he was being shopped, but if you put the pieces together it really looks like he was, the rumor back then was teams were watching JV for his ice time, magically about 2 weeks before the trade dealine Virtanen was bumped up the lineup even though he never earned it but was rewarded, definitely seems suspicious for the timing and the rumor of ice time. Then there was also a deal in place with Anaheim, but couldn't come to an agreement, again rumors but there are people out there who talk to a lot of people and they do hear things, I'm definitely sure more than anyone on CDC. Benning said Schmidt isn't being moved either, so I guess that won't happen... And if it does, does that mean Benning can't be trusted anymore? 


    Regarding Jake and his future here, he sure didn't seem to care much until about the trade deadline when he stepped up his game a bit, he played like he was trying to get moved but majority of his play looked like he really didn't care and took a free paycheck. I always felt when Horvat last year yelled at him at practice that was the nail in the coffin, it was just a matter of time, but then seeing him not moved to Arizona got a little skeptical on what Benning was doing, then see today bought out good.

  9. 10 minutes ago, NHL97OneTimer said:

    Nobody wanted him apparently and that was before the news release on him.  That said, I don't recall the asking price for JV.  My hunch is that JB will find a deal for him but we may not like the return.  It is possible that he plays this season too.  All I know is that he's under investigation........unfortunately JV's history as a partier who brags about how the Canucks need him while he's drinking hard each summer isn't doing him any favours now but at this time he is not found guilty.

    Well yeah it depends on the asking price Benning was after for JV at that time, but this time it would of been to just get ride of if him especially if you really want to get ride of him. I have a hard time believing a team wouldn't want to take a chance on an ex first rounder in his mid 20's over a 7th round pick, heck even over Roussel.

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  10. 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

    He needs to be bought out by June 27 so Benning either has to trade him by Tuesday or buy him out.  He won't be back as a Canuck.  We have Garland and Dickinson in our top 9 now.  Virtanen's fate has been sealed here in Vancouver.

    Now that adds even more skepticism to me regarding it, my original gut was what you're saying he's done here I figured for sure his time here was done, but seeing what was involved in this trade I'm a little surprised a guy who's supposedly done with this team wasn't somehow involved in this trade. Which then has me thinking outside the box here a bit now and wondering maybe Benning is wanting to keep him now.... Obviously we will know more by the 27th then I guess. 

  11. 8 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

    The Coyotes might have taken him if not for the blowback they got after drafting Mitchell Miller last draft. I think their appetite for problem players is probably pretty low right now.

    Still think they would of taken him over a 7th round pick tbh.

  12. Just now, Alflives said:

    Jake will be bought out, and if he gets another chance in the league it will be on a US team (no press) and on a PTO.  

    Time will tell, but why buy him out when you could of probably traded him instead if you don't want him... That's the part that doesn't make sense, instead of a 7th round pick you don't think Virtanen could of been dealt instead... 

  13. 7 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

    I think you’re right. Virtanen’s salary is as good as gone whether he’s moved or bought out so that’s at least ant extra $2.5 mil so we’re getting pretty close. Jim did say he still needs to move some salary so probably Holtby like you say.

    Im skeptical on that one actually now, why wouldn't Arizona take him? If I was Arizona I would of rather taken him even with the crap going on over Roussel, unless Benning isn't ready to move him and maybe believes this situation with him will blow over eventually... I believe he could of been moved in this trade if they really were looking to move him or move on from him.


    Yeah he did mention of potential buyouts so it would only make sense if he can't move anyone....

  14. 7 minutes ago, CanucksJay said:

    Could we potentially sign Hughes game 1 of season after we put Ferland on ltir? He can't be offersheeted but that would mean he would miss camp and might be annoyed with Canucks brass? 


    Ferland is already on the IR his cap isn't against the Canucks that I know of.

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  15. In the end I do like the trade, no more Edler so I'll take OEL, no first round player well we got Garland who's NHL ready, and he plays like a top 10 so I'll take that, he is a little small does worry me a bit because one bad hit is all it can take, but he has some grit in him he's definitely no push over so that's good. Then the best part Eriksson is finally gone :frantic:, then moving a couple players who were taking up cap space and dealing with injuries, seems good, but then it gets interesting here due to players not signed yet.


    They have 18.7M roughly in cap space, but need to sign Pettersson, Hughes, Garland, Dickinson, another RD then decide if they want another center or Miller plays Center, couple bottom forwards. I would speculate Pettersson Hughes and Garland combined will be pushing around $15-20M in combined cap space, doesn't leave much to fill RD and Dickinson and other bottom guy and another center possibly.... I would definitely speculate buyouts soon or Holtby moved.

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