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  1. 29 minutes ago, johngould21 said:

    This team has paid for the Burke/Nonis and Gillis teams because of those successes, and taking late round picks. Name one on the roster from that era. Poor drafting from '06 to Horvat, and that cost a damn good goalie prospect at the time. Only in the last 5 years have we seen the results of good drafting. EP, Hughes, Boeser, and that's just the start. 

    Really so the only reason Benning isn't as good as some of the previous GMs is because they made it harder for him... That's the excuse people are going with.

     

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  2. 2 minutes ago, The Lock said:

    Actually, if you look at the times before the 2000's, we were a terrible team overall, only ever reaching the finals by fluke and missing most playoffs for the 1st 30 years. If you consider that, the overall trend is still upwards. I dare you to look at our record from the 70's and 80's.

     

    We also won't know how Benning matches up until later on when we've seen the effects of his tenure here. You didn't even include Nonis in your analysis for whatever reason as most of Gillis' team was made by Nonis.

     

    No I'm comparing Benning to the actual good GMs to see where he fits, because a lot of people still are trying to defend Benning as a good GM, so I wanted to compare him to the other Canuck GMs who have been successful or considered good here. Even a guy like Burke who came in after Keenan and was still able to make the playoffs 4 out of his 6 years here, after drafting the Sedins as well. But a guy like Benning who has been here 7 years and only 2 playoff appearances(one luckily due to covid season stoppage) and this team is still supposedly a couple years away still, how is Benning even considered a good GM here tbh... He's just not as good as some believe period.

  3. 25 minutes ago, knucklehead91 said:

    Totally agreed, we need to slide him down the lineup. We relied on him pretty heavily this year and IMHO he was one of our better D. But if we could have a guy like Edler as our 2nd or 3rd pairing guy and a true #1 dman with Hughes, we’ll be in a very… very good position.

    If they want to sign him after filling the spots I'm okay with that, but if he's being signed to fill the spot first I'm totally against it, time for new blood.

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  4. 20 hours ago, The Lock said:

    The way I see it though, it's easy to have a hyper-focus on the team you love. You see this with fans of other teams as well where we would look at them and it might not seem as big of a deal.

     

    I've heard so many fans of other teams at this point state how they feel our future looks bright given our drafting, so is nit-picking every little detail at that point worth it? Personally, I just don't have the time nor the energy to worry about every little detail that's gone on. It doesn't bring anyone any value. It's diminishing returns.

    I'm seeing a trend here it feels like, after 94 came the dark days and Messier was not fun, took 16 years to eventually get back there and fans still question the GM for how he did it. Last year watching some games got a dark days vibe again, at least no toxic players like Messier, but it definitely got a dark days vibe watching them a bit this year and did not like that. We're 10 years past our last opportunity, and we're still not a playoff team, at least the last time they went through this they we're a playoff team for a while before 2011, I'm not seeing that this time yet....

     

    Let's take a look at how Benning really matches up, imo it's horrible. 

     

    Pat Quinn 10 years 

    Stanley Cup Appearance

    1 Conference title

    2 Division titles

    7 Playoff appearances

     

    Brian Burke 6 years

    1 Division title

    4 Playoff appearances

     

    Mike Gillis 6 years

    Stanley Cup appearance

    2 President Trophies

    1 Conference title

    5 Division titles

    5 Playoff appearances

     

    Jim Benning 7 years and counting...

    2 playoff appearances

     

     

     

     

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  5. 20 hours ago, knucklehead91 said:

    It would be nice if we didnt have to rely on Edler for the big minutes like we did pretty much all season. If we could sign him for less than 3mil and move him to a 4/5 spot and have him take on a bit of a lesser role but still be capable of shutting down guys, I feel like that would put our back end in a very good position. He is still a solid dman and plays some really tough minutes, if someone came in and took over his role and bumped him down the bench a bit, it would be great for us

    He's a 6/7 guy, his body needs rest more, he probably would look better if he played every 2nd game and stayed more fresh that way tbh, he's being relied on here way too much and he's just not that same player he once was, you just can't rely on him for those big minutes anymore and expect him to play at a top level all the time, he just can't do that anymore. 

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  6. 21 hours ago, gurn said:

    People are talking about no change to the defense, I've just given multiple changes, some that have already happened, others that are likely.

    Why  do you include Myers and Schmidt when I'd previously mentioned them as possible moves, one through ED and the other via trade?

    "Canucks relied on those guys you mentioned last year instead...."   Who the heck said that?

     

     

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    Why do I include them? Because they're still here, come on man really.... Until their actually gone gone, then the guys you listed would have meaning, but until then nothing is changed until their gone.

  7. 21 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

    Whether he can be relied on for big minutes and whether he's retained to play big minutes are two different things. But yeah, that's tough to puzzle out. 

     

    Teams like to, you know, have players who can step up and eat minutes in case injuries happen and yadda yadda yadda. But that's nothing to worry about as the Canucks organization has a long history of being extremely healthy throughout the season. 

    Yeah this franchise is so lucky that guys like Edler never get hurt.... I'm just totally against relying on Edler anymore, the amount of brain farts he does at the blueline for the past 5-6 years has been a struggle to watch, and because every year he gets slower and slower he just can't catch those guys anymore who steal the puck from him at the blueline all the time. Then what does Edler do... he hooks them all the time because he's way to slow and can't catch them anymore and then just takes a penalty to hurt the team for another 2 minutes, thats not helping the team at all. This isn't a once in a blue moon thing either, this is something that has been happening for years but we continue to accept it as okay, this is garbage, and why it's time to move on and find someone new. 

     

    Why not just bring Luongo back and play, might as well tell the Sedins to suit up and play, heck take Burrows away from his coaching gig and tell him to suit up, this team obviously could care less about improving and is content with sticking with old mediocre players, so might as well bring them all back while we're at it.

  8. 6 hours ago, rekker said:

    Big mistake by the Leafs letting this happen. Trade Nylander to open up some cap for a real player like Hyman. Or even the unspeakable. Trade AM. Trade AM for a decent young center plus, plus, plus. They would be better off with a home run return for AM. He can shoot, but is easily one of the more overhyped players in the NHL imho.

    Nylander and Spezza were the 2 who decided to play in the playoffs this year, it would be a mistake moving Nylander I think, they have to move one of the big 3 imo, those 3 are taking up way too much cap space, they have to move 1 of them I believe. 

  9. 33 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

     

    Most who welcome the idea of him being retained have said they'd be fine with a short term, small-cap deal, and expect he'd be playing a 4-6D role 

     

    People are saying he's still a valuable player on the right contract, not that he should be a 1-3D

    Funny when I said yesterday he can't be relied on for big minutes seems like everyone here wants to facepalm me for saying that, so they must be excepting him to play big minutes then still if they disagree with me saying he can't play big minutes...

     

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  10. 12 minutes ago, The Lock said:

    Like I've said, I can see where the frustration comes in. I'm not anti-Benning though at this point as I haven't really seen anything lately that's made me question things so I guess I'm hopeful that he's learned. I  guess I'm more on the fence than anything.

     

    It still goes to show though that Tanev didn't go for nothing, partially caused by a series of contracts that proved to be too expensive in the end. Although, perhaps it was more the term than anything as ideally if those contracts were over at this point they wouldn't even be a problem.

    His drafting has helped keep some people at ease with him, but I even question some of those now tbh, I feel they're just undersized a bit, obviously time will tell, but his player acquisitions have been very bad over the years, and the Toffoli thing was kind of the nail in the caufin imo, but I guess Benning is like a cat and gets 9 lives here.

  11. 8 minutes ago, gurn said:

    Fine, name a team that traded off their number one goalie just prior to the trade deadline.

    Patrick Roy...

     

    But no I understand it's not something you normally do, I get it I'm definitely ranting a bit, but at the same time maybe Benning should of tried to get their feet wet the year before then, so he could of moved those guys the following year, seems like the year he chose to go all in was the wrong year because he had to keep those guys and couldn't move them, so again poor management. 

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    20 hours ago, gurn said:

    Tanev had an 8 team NTC

    Markstrom didn't have any clauses.

    Can you name any team in NHL history that traded their, then #1 goalie just before going into the play offs?

    Just before going into the playoffs... The trade deadline in 2020 was February and the playoffs didn't start until August.... You can't trade just before the playoffs start.

  13. 3 hours ago, The Lock said:

    Doesn't matter if you're a contender or not, money is money in the end. We didn't have the money for Tanev. Simple as that.

     

    Unless if you somehow think being a contender completely coincides with your cap situation (which is clearly does not).

     

    I get wanting to keep Tanev, but it's not as simple as just resigning him when you're up against the cap like we have been. Some blame Benning's earlier contracts for that which I think is legitimate although I'm still not anti-Benning despite that.

    We don't have the money because of the poor management in place and clueless in the approach he's taking, which handcuffed himself because of his poor decisions from previous garbage contracts.

     

    Tanev should still be a Canuck and Edler should of been gone 4 years ago, just horrible management. 

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  14. 21 hours ago, oldnews said:

    facepalm yourself.

     

    were you expecting them to rent these two guys right before heading into the playoffs.

    get real.

    not a single GM in the NHL would trade two of their most critical players at the deadline in those circumstance.

    the joke is your expectation that they would

    Again if your plan is to not be ready for 3 more years, why spend to the cap just to get the feet wet to then lose for 3 years after, and on top of it let guys walk for nothing to be bad for 3 more years, just ridiculous horrible management. 

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