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I don’t think the plan would be to keep Benning and Weisbrod if a boss was out in place above them. I also don’t think you get a guy like Larionov without him getting some say in how to (and who) runs the club. The guy is hockey royalty and instantly gets the respect of other guys on the BOG like Shanahan, Yzerman, Sakic, Burke, etc. hockey hall of famer 3 time Stanley Cup winner 2 time a Olympic Gold 6 time World championship medallist... four times gold 2 time World Junior gold medallist Coach, agent, executive experience... That is a guy you woo with control... not a guy you saddle with a GM he didn’t pick. Of course he was a team mate of Linden’s so he might pick up the phone and ask how all that went down before accepting a job.

This is such a huge cop out and complete revisionist history. At the Board of Governors meeting in December 2019 they were told to expect a flat cap or minimal increase. Benning signed those deals with the cap expected to be fairly flat due to already high escrow and that it would only rise if the players used their escalator clause. That $86 million number came out as the league was shutting down in 2020 due to COVID and was not anticipated when he signed those dreadful contracts back in the summer of 2019. You are using a future event (unknown to him at the time since he isn’t a Time Lord) to explain his actions almost a year earlier to justify why they weren’t bad. “They had their interpretation of what they heard from Gary Bettman. A number of different ranges, but one governor saying to me that the low range is $82.5M, which is just $1M more than the current cap of $81.5M. That’s what his team will budget for, and if it is higher so be it, but they are going to be conservative. I had another governor tell me $83.5M is what he thinks it is probably going to be. I think teams are going to be cautious this time around.” – Pierre LeBrun, TSN - December 2019 BOG meeting

Can he unretire, go on LTIR and get paid $3 million to be our team President so his cap recapture comes off? When Friedman put Luongo's name out there I immediately figured it was nonsense. They guy showed his loyalty by not going on LTIR (as he easily could have) to save Florida a tiny bit of cap space... knowing it was going to badly screw the Canucks with a big hit. No thanks to the guy. I would rather we go after someone else. I think Larionov would be an excellent executive if he ever decided to come back to North America. He has been a player, and agent, and a manager. Probably one of the smartest minds in the game as a player. He has a Canucks connection as well so brings some of that along with him. Russian player values are depressed in the league due to the KHL fallback... so maybe having a Russian President or GM gives us a leg up for some contract efficiencies.

Sample size... go Google it and then have someone explain it to you.

Well aside from being absolutely not true... good point. You can’t go very far on this Board without seeing people calling for Green to be fired and that he is a terrible coach.

I wonder what we would have to add in that deal... I can't imagine Gaudette has near the value as Fabbro. I guess he is probably not on their planned protection list for expansion so could be willing to give him up for less than full value.

I have no idea what we would want from Nashville even other than their cap space and sending some money their way for Gaudette and just getting a pick back.

I haven't really followed all the ins and outs of the waiver process. Wasn't he already waived and you don't have to be waived again if you are sent down within 30 days? There is some rule like that, but I don't know the details and if that is only guys on 2 way contracts or something. It sure would be nice to send him down finally.. a season or two too late, but needs to be done.

bah... just went to put on 1040 in the background while I started my workday before I remembered.

There is something to that... but I look at it more as years of club control/obligation vs. age specifically. We have Holtby for just two years, and Hutton for just the 1 year in that trade scenario. Either one is replaceable as a back up goalie. The downside to Miller is actually being stuck with the 2nd year. He is overpaid for what he brings and in this market could be replaced for less. In the end, a 3rd pairing D is worth more than a 3rd line (at best) winger in Virtanen. Miller would be an upgrade on half our D right now, and that is worth more to us in the short term than a winger who is in the press box half the time. The proposal was actually to include Borgen which gives you a club controlled player for a long time and would immediately be one of our top D prospects and the only one aside from Rathbone with a legitimate shot at being a top 4 guy.

Honestly, this is the time to be evaluating the GM first and foremost. His future has to be settled before you bring in a different coach because a potential new GM would rather have a say in who they pick to coach the team. Any good GM candidates will be more attracted to the job if they know they can put in their own guys right off the bat rather than have a coach their predecessor chose and just signed to a 2-4 year deal.

That is the difference between rational people and you. When most people see the global consensus of scientists and astronauts telling you the earth is round... they can accept that and incorporate it as input for their worldview. You, on the other hand, stomp your feet and frantically wave around your crayons and 2D picture you drew of the Earth and insist that the earth is flat and everyone else is wrong and “stoopid”. I listened to many different analyses, watched the player, and came to the judgement I did on him. Go use your favourite tactic when you start raging about being made to look silly... go spend hours searching for old posts that I made where I was wrong about something. You won’t find it about this though. I was the lone voice in the wilderness saying that Jake’s hot stretch in the middle of last season was almost certainly a statistical blip and we should trade him before he reverts to form. You ranted and raved about him having turned a corner. He of course reverted back to form and has been contributing at a 4th line rate level since (at best).... and it isn’t because the coaches want to keep one of their best players from being successful. Grow up. You aren’t smarter than everyone else. Anyone can look and see you are consistently wrong about pretty much everything. After insulting and name calling other posters who turn out to be righ... when they call you out about being wrong, you disappear and go silent until your next bad take where you repeat the process. (PS. My “work” is that all the mini stats you have shown for his few games this season are nonsense. Anyone with even a passing knowledge of probability and stats would tell you that once you break down into the stratified little numbers with a sample size so tiny... none of them can be considered statistically reliable at all. They tell you literally nothing because they can swing widely as a result of a single non representative event. Stats are good over time and to detect trends. On any given game or short stretch of games a player can be amazing or terrible. Jake’s play overall has been terrible for a long time, and a few cherry picked stats out of context saying he is really in the middle of the pack of forwards don’t have any validity in the real world and to anyone who took 1st year stats in school)

Sush you! He is a foundational player and if it weren’t for Green, Benning, Willie Desjardins, the Clintons, and George Soros... he would be a 1st line player. Really it is just that the brass are trying to lose, so are keeping one of our top players off the ice.

He is clearly almost as good as Gudbranson, Sutter, and Beagle... your normal player darlings. :D Too bad the actual hockey professionals think otherwise and have him stapled to the bench or press box regularly ... but you continue to be you and pretend you know more than the people who get paid to do it for a living... One would think that being proven wrong by objective reality so often would temper your narcissism... but you seek impervious to it so far.

Yep. Carolina has 6 guys to protect who would all be upgrades on Myers.

Well I have been “beating the drum” on Ristoleinen for about 3 years. Even suggesting Jake be traded for him. If anyone thinks that we could get Risto for Jake now, they are smoking something amazing or have much more faith in Benning than I do. Once they stopped playing Risto 26+ minutes a game he went back to being an excellent defender, like anticipated. He is playing 23 minutes a game of all around minutes and is as good as Edler was in his prime. We aren’t getting that for a benched 3rd line winger. ... and ya, you are cherry picking (as usual) as my post clearly indicated that Miller was taking money back to even out the cap on deal in addition to the other pieces.

Yep... he is a 4/5 being paid as a 2/3. He should be exposed, probably won’t get picked up, wouldn’t be bothered too much if he was as he is replaceable for the same or less money. One would hope we would have already picked up a couple more D by then from teams who would otherwise lose them to expansion.

Ya.... he plays defence just fine and is the minute leader on a team with Dahlin on it. Buffalo finally has some support pieces in place so he isn't asked to play 26 minutes a night in every tough minute the team has. It turns out that was a recipe for disaster for him and pretty much any other D in the league aside from half a dozen guys. No way that package gets a top pairing D of his calibre. We missed the boat on that move and it would be a miracle if Benning pulled it off.

I am cancelling them off my cable package... I only kept TSN for the personalities and hockey draft/trade deadline stuff. I don't watch their other sports.

Myers will likely get exposed, and serious doubt about if he will be claimed. Rob Francis isn't dumb, he knows there are plenty of teams in a cap crunch and that player salaries for UFAs are going to be constrained for the next few years due to a flat cap. He will pick player with as little cap as he is allowed and then weaponize his cap space by gathering assets in return for cap dumps, or by signing all the good free agents for the next two years. No one is scared to go to an expansion team after the Vegas example. I would think we are more likely going to lose a guy like Lind to expansion, other teams just have better roster players that they will expose.

If you want to get their attention, start tweeting and sharing your proof of cancellation of TSN or other Bell companies.

Well I am good as long as a return for Jake is either: a) a pick with no money coming back b) a young player/prospect c) not an old veteran with term left to meant just to give us more defensive play and reduce goals against as a short term bandaid to save Benning’s job.

Well aside from the last tweet by TSN Rick Dhaliwal... Baertschi is dreaming if he thinks he is getting a call up by the Canucks. He would have been loaned to Winnipeg if that was a realistic option. I hope these guys owned their own Twitter and there weren’t TSN accounts so they can keep folks apprised of their futures.

Because they don’t want to make it seem like they added 2,000 additional subscribers when their total numbers not went up by 1,000?

It means added to the total. If they lose 1,000 individual subscribers in a time period... and gain 2,000 new subscribers... they have 1,000 net new subscribers even though they have 2,000 new ones.