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That's what happens when you have McCrap defending a lead.

WTH is going on!

Lehner is no Fleury, and they've been struggling to score goals again sound familiar? I hope Demko breaks them again .

All the known Canuck killers are no longer in their lineup, 5-2 Canucks LFG!

I think I'm the minority here that doesn't like Schneider. I've watched him play in junior and (this is just my opinion ) at best he can be a top 4 and I can see him mostly as a bottom pair D in the NHL. I feel like he's a product of being a big guy in junior kind of like Jake Virtanen. I do not think he will be as effective in the NHL and doesn't have much of an offensive game either. A player of JT Miller's calibre should bring back a D with top pair potential.

Not gonna lie after that rookie year I really thought he would be a 40 goal guy. Realistically I at least thought he would improve on his rookie season and not just plateau.

Pass, the only good asset we get from NY is Lafreniere and we have to give them Hoglander and Schenn retain 50% AND a first.

Excellent response! I can tell you put a lot of time into your response! Exceptional

Yes agreed. I'm not expecting every year to be good but was expecting to see some improvement as ages 22-25 is usually huge in terms of player development. I understand this year is likely an anomaly but the eye test doesn't look good either as he's lost foot speed likely due to putting on 20lbs also his shot which was his greatest asset doesn't have the same velocity or accuracy and the release is slow. (ex. a few games back vs Seattle where he was cruising down the right wing and had a point blank chance, rookie year Brock would've buried that, now it's going right into the crest.)

Sure he's stronger on the puck and and better defensively but his overall offensive game has taken a hit. Playmaking is mediocre and shot doesn't have the same velocity or accuracy and the release is slow. I recall a few games back vs Seattle where he was cruising down the right wing and had a point blank chance, rookie year Brock would've buried that, now it's going right into the crest.

A lot of people like to ignore the 19PTS in 36 GP prior which is a much bigger sample size.

For the most part, but when you're a young professional athlete you should be improving.

I understand there's more to the game and I do see improvements in his puck battles and overall defensive positioning but he's paid to score goals as an offensive player. IMO he's regressed in that area, shot is not as effective, playmaking still leaves much to be desired and foot speed got worse (probably due to putting on 20lbs) Most of the time rookie seasons are just starting points, I'm not expecting a non stop linear build but I'm expecting at least something.

Is it absurd for me to expect a player to improve between 22-25? Damn I guess I'm absurd. Thank you for your incredible contribution to this discussion.

Yes, that's true he's been consistently around 65 pt pace in his bad seasons but he's still going backwards. One season he was on pace for around 23 goals and he has lost his shot that made him so effective.

How is putting up nearly an identical ppg number considered an improvement? At 22-25 a player is starting to reach their peak if they haven't already. Yet every season after the good rookie year, no improvement. Staying healthy for sure but how has he improved his game?

You still haven't explained how he's improved on his rookie season and want to conveniently ignore all the bad seasons he's had since.

Sure if you want to look at small sample sizes. Fact is he hasn't even improved on his rookie year and is already 25 years old

Ok let's not compare Ovechkin then. What about other players guys like Tarasenko, Zibanejad, Toews The numbers you speak of from UBC took data from 97-98 to 2011. Here's some more recent data from 08-2016 This study here shows players peak from 22-25 which is more in line with modern nhl players imo.

Ovi scored 65 before he was 25 and scored 56 a season after those were his best goal scoring years at ages 23-24 does that not count as consecutive 50 goal seasons? Also he may have scored 50 around the peak the study spoke of but his points fell off hard, Stamkos also scored 60 before the age of 25 and had his only 50 goal seasons before the age of 25. There's nothing in that study that proves goal scorers score more at around 28 years old unless your're a late bloomer like Marchand

What about all the other seasons? .81 .79 .65 but sure let's all ignore his decline.

How old was that study? Most modern NHL goal scorers have their peak goal scoring years before 25 (Ovechkin, Zack Parise, Eric Staal , Stamkos, Bure the list goes on.) I feel like Brock hasn’t even matched his rookie season in all these years. If u look at his rookie season highlights his release was exceptional and he was better at creating space for himself. I feel like he’s lost that quick release along with foot speed. It could be that he bulked up to 205 vs 185 in his rookie season or he’s damaged goods.

Wasn't suggesting that Fox was on the table. Rags don't have the assets to get JT unless he or Laf was involved which isn't happening. Not sure why so many think NY is a good destination when their best assets are Schneider and Chytil who combined wouldn't even be half the player Miller is.

Heart/soul of our room, throws hits and very versatile that's scoring at a 93 pt pace guys like this are usually never traded.

I've seen some pretty ugly offers from the Rags, I hope PA hangs up and blocks their number for offering that kind of garbage.