DefCon1 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 One more thing to add...while the motors wouldn't freeze in winter, there's always the possibility of wheel slippage as these are rotary motors. SkyTrain's movement is dependent on the linear induction motor in the middle of the track. Because the train wheels are responsible for movement for the Canada Line, there's the possibility of trains overshooting stations from excess leaves and snow. It's a common problem with rotary motors/generic metro. Hopefully they will use more advanced technology when they build the Evergreen line and all the other future lines. Canada line just seems like a rushed project built as cheap as possible for the Olympics. I wished they spent more to build something which could last at least 50 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 ^ over shooting platforms is especially a problem if the train length is also the same as the train platform....thus, a potential problem for the Canada Line from time to time. If it happens, attendants would be required to manually adjust the train to its right location before the train can proceed from the station. It's not a problem with SkyTrain as LIM is quite reliable even with snow and leaves, and currently the trains are much shorter than the platforms. Ugh...that sound of the emergency brakes kicking in in the video is awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 Hopefully they will use more advanced technology when they build the Evergreen line and all the other future lines. Canada line just seems like a rushed project built as cheap as possible for the Olympics. I wished they spent more to build something which could last at least 50 years. LRT was thrown out for the Evergreen Line in favour of building a SkyTrain project for the seamless train ride into Vancouver and the cost efficiencies of an integrated system. A lot of work has already been done for the project by the Ministry of Transportation, and they are really trying to ensure that a high standard is maintained for design. With all that said, there's a small possibility that this could be another Canada Line that uses a different technology and is not integrated with the rest of the system, despite being one of the arguments in favour of SkyTrain instead of LRT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefCon1 Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 LRT was thrown out for the Evergreen Line in favour of building a SkyTrain project for the seamless train ride into Vancouver and the cost efficiencies of an integrated system. A lot of work has already been done for the project by the Ministry of Transportation, and they are really trying to ensure that a high standard is maintained for design. With all that said, there's a small possibility that this could be another Canada Line that uses a different technology and is not integrated with the rest of the system, despite being one of the arguments in favour of SkyTrain instead of LRT. I don't know why they want to use a more inferior technology or even a different technology when the existing SkyTrain technology is proven reliable. It just doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 I don't know why they want to use a more inferior technology or even a different technology when the existing SkyTrain technology is proven reliable. It just doesn't make sense. According to the Evergreen Line's Project Office at Lougheed Station, it may not be SkyTrain at all but it will at least be "SkyTrain-like" technology like the Canada Line as it's fully grade-separated. It might have to do with them having to publicly say that as there will be a bid process. Anyhow, if you haven't read this already: SkyTrain Evergreen Line Project Description Report for Environmental Assessment: http://a100.gov.bc.ca/appsdata/epic/docume...f540e5a19c4.pdf Highlights: Preliminary Timeline: Project Description Report Submission to EAO Q2 2009 Municipal Liaison on Reference Concept Q3 2009 Preliminary Design Consultation Q4 2009 Reference Concept Development Q4 2009 EAC Application Submission Q4 2009 Initiate Procurement Q4 2009 EA Certificate Q3 2010 Conclude Procurement Q4 2010 Start Construction Q4 2010 Construction Completion Q3 2014 Testing and Commissioning Q4 2014 Operational Service Q4 2014 In addition to these milestone activities, First Nations consultation commenced Q1 2009. Consultation Schedule: The proposed timeline for consultation is anticipated as follows: Environmental Assessment Public Comment Period – Draft Terms of Reference (late Q3 2009) Preliminary Design Public Consultation (Q4 2009) Environmental Assessment Public Comment Period – Application Review (Q1 2010) Detailed Design Public Consultation (Q2 2010) - 6 stations min. (up to 8) initially, which implies if others (i.e West PoMo) aren't built immediately, they can be added later. - Includes a vehicle storage yard, and light maintainance facility. Edmonds will probably will keep its role as Operations Centre and heavy maintainance yard. No site picked yet, though the LRT proposal had at Falcon Drive (between the rail line and Barnet) for a OMC yard. Not sure which side of the CP Tracks the line will be running down at that point, but if its on the South, using the same site may be a little complicated. - Trains purchases included in capital cost - Stations will accommodate fare gates - No decision yet on 1 or 2 tunnel boring machines Owner's Engineers (hired by BC MoT to do preliminary design, they have NOT been awarded the contract to build the line, that hasn't started yet - see above) include: VIA Architecture (architects, obviously) CH2M Hill (heavy civil/structural, they did GEB) Halcrow (planning) Approximately 2 km of bored tunnel will be constructed from approximately north of Como Lake Avenue in Coquitlam to the Barnet Highway in Port Moody. 4. Project Corridor Description The Project will extend north from Lougheed Town Centre Station on an elevated track along North and Clarke Roads before entering a bored tunnel in the vicinity of Como Lake Avenue and emerging near Barnet Highway north of Clarke Road in Port Moody. Through Port Moody, the route will travel predominantly at grade adjacent to the CPR right-of-way with an elevated crossing required at some point along the corridor. The Project will continue adjacent to the CPR line to the West Coast Express Station in Coquitlam and then will run on an elevated guideway along Pinetree Way, terminating near Douglas College in Coquitlam. 4.1 Proposed Station Locations The Project will have up to eight stations on opening day. Six primary stations (Figure 4.2-1) have been identified to date including: • Expansion of the existing Lougheed Town Centre Station • Burquitlam • Port Moody/West Coast Express • Ioco (near intersection of Barnett Highway and Ioco Road) • Coquitlam/West Coast Express • Coquitlam City Centre (Coquitlam City Hall/Douglas College) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bob Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 I cant believe this thing is FINALLY finished. It's about fracking time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyco-rc Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 DAMNIT I HAVE WORK TOMORROW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwings4Cup Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) YAY! This is pretty exciting. Edited August 17, 2009 by Redwings4Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradMayFan Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Here is my plan for tomorrow: 1) Arrive at Waterfront and get in line around 11:00. 2) Pick up my "passport", get on the first train I can and ride it to the end of wherever it's going. 3) Slowly work my way back to Waterfront collecting stamps along the way. 4) Go home happy. I'm going fully prepared to have to stand and wait for a long time, but I don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Here's my plan: oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 We are expecting 100,000 people to ride the train tomorrow for the opening, and YVR is expecting 60,000 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverpig Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 LRT was thrown out for the Evergreen Line in favour of building a SkyTrain project for the seamless train ride into Vancouver and the cost efficiencies of an integrated system. A lot of work has already been done for the project by the Ministry of Transportation, and they are really trying to ensure that a high standard is maintained for design. With all that said, there's a small possibility that this could be another Canada Line that uses a different technology and is not integrated with the rest of the system, despite being one of the arguments in favour of SkyTrain instead of LRT. It could be worse. I know a guy from Dublin. He said that they have 2 train lines there that aren't integrated and don't meet up, yet there is a place where the two lines have stations that are 1.5 km from each other. 1.5 km and they didn't join them up. The maps for how to get places actually show you riding a train, getting off, walking 1.5 km to the next stop, then getting on another train and continuing. It'd be like if they built the Canada line from Richmond to Cambie and Broadway and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oryx Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nitro.. it hurts inside when you shaft me Can the passports be picked up at any (stamping) station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bob Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nitro.. it hurts inside when you shaft me Can the passports be picked up at any (stamping) station? *tee hee* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Nitro.. it hurts inside when you shaft me Can the passports be picked up at any (stamping) station? it hurts him too, but the pleasure is all his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) It could be worse. I know a guy from Dublin. He said that they have 2 train lines there that aren't integrated and don't meet up, yet there is a place where the two lines have stations that are 1.5 km from each other. 1.5 km and they didn't join them up. The maps for how to get places actually show you riding a train, getting off, walking 1.5 km to the next stop, then getting on another train and continuing. It'd be like if they built the Canada line from Richmond to Cambie and Broadway and that's it. lol, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard of. Is there something in the way to make the stations closer? When were these lines even built?? Coraline, i believe every station will have passports but there's a limited number. Edited August 17, 2009 by nitronuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 The picture below, Canada Line tracks...you may notice two concrete bars next to the steel rails, they are there to ensure the train stays on the guideway if the train derails. How come the Canada Line needs these, but the Skytrain doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oryx Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 Oh by the way, why have all the benches at bus stops been disappearing? (this might've been asked already but I'm really behind in the thread - currently on page 151!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted August 17, 2009 Author Share Posted August 17, 2009 How come the Canada Line needs these, but the Skytrain doesn't? I'd think it would have to do with the wider trains and the rotary motors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted August 17, 2009 Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) On the MS Excel file where I keep track of my bus rides, I'm graying out the peak hour routes that will be discontinued in September. (I gray out buses and routes that are no longer in operation.) That really makes me feel sad inside... (Typical bus geek mourning/grieving? The first stage is denial...) Edited August 17, 2009 by BuckyHermit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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