kurtzfan Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Significant crowding on the Canada Line is due to the fact that: 1) They ordered only 20 trains and are required to keep 10% as spares. 18-trains are all they can use as noted in the contract. In other words, there are not enough trains....they should've ordered at least 25 trains - ideally, 30. The existing "every other train goes to the other direction" configuration between Richmond and YVR is to maintain a maximum allowable frequency (we can't have a train every 25-minutes at YVR during the day). And even ridership at YVR is much higher than estimated. Once we have more trains, we'll start to see the first two trains going to Richmond and the third train to YVR. Frequency will be drastically increased. 2) The trains are far too small, even though technically they are technically equivalent to a 4-car Mark I train. They also lack doors, there should be 4 doors per car rather than 3 given the technical capacity of each car. You don't want single-tracking to Douglas College if a train ever breaks down. And secondly, you won't see capacity problems like what we're seeing on the Canada Line considering the Evergreen will have the potential of reaching twice the ultimate capacity of the Canada Line with longer trains (40-metre vs. 80 platforms today; 50-metre platforms versus 100-metre platforms future). yes, we need more trains..but we also need the fare gates!!! I can't wait until 2012!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 (edited) Can someone please give me an update on how the former 491/496 corridors are doing, transit-wise? Edited October 6, 2009 by BuckyHermit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Can someone please give me an update on how the former 491/496 corridors are doing, transit-wise? dude you're in seoul! stop wasting time on this board and go explore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtzfan Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 dude you're in seoul! stop wasting time on this board and go explore hey, that's not nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 dude you're in seoul! stop wasting time on this board and go explore Dude... it's 2:11pm here and I'm at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Can someone please give me an update on how the former 491/496 corridors are doing, transit-wise? Not as packed as I expected, but still full buses when it leaves the former bay 1 stop (for 410) and for the 401, full when it leaves Brighouse. Now, the RAV...taht's a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Not as packed as I expected, but still full buses when it leaves the former bay 1 stop (for 410) and for the 401, full when it leaves Brighouse. Now, the RAV...taht's a different story. Please do tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 ^ ridership has averaged 83,000 per day since the Sept 7th bus changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtzfan Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 ^ ridership has averaged 83,000 per day since the Sept 7th bus changes. Canada line is fully packed during the peak hours!!! I can't get a seat until the second last stop. (Lansdowne station) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Canada line is fully packed during the peak hours!!! I can't get a seat until the second last stop. (Lansdowne station) Cue the train pusher video, I guess? I can't say I'm surprised at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 80-metre platforms....if only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtzfan Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 80-metre platforms....if only. Fare gates come first!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 How about decent division of trains first? 2 to Brighouse, 1 to YVR - only during peak hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyHermit Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Fare gates come first!!! Only if smart cards are included also. I'm using the smart card system here (called T-Money) and it's orgasmically good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 How about decent division of trains first? 2 to Brighouse, 1 to YVR - only during peak hours. Well, we'd need at least 50% more trains to do that....and that's 10 more trains....or $60-million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbo Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Well, we'd need at least 50% more trains to do that....and that's 10 more trains....or $60-million. any plans to order more? (I'm guessing not...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeGillis58 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Even though winter is still a few months away, how reliable are Canada Line trains during snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitronuts Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 any plans to order more? (I'm guessing not...) Nope....unfortunately, they didn't think they would need more trains until 2015. Even though winter is still a few months away, how reliable are Canada Line trains during snow? The tunnel section obviously won't have problems, but the exposed sections in Richmond would even though Richmond traditionally doesn't get much snow and gets warmer temperatures. With SkyTrain, magnets on the track move the train - the train has no engine, it's not like a car. With the Canada Line trains, it's like a car that runs on electricity - it requires an engine to move those steel wheels, and those steel wheels require friction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trek Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 ^ so how's their stopping distance when the tracks are nice and frosty? Will the passengers in the front car have to jump out onto the platform to get off at Rmd-Brighouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwings4Cup Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 The ride from Richmond to Waterfront station is pretty smooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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