sampy Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 The "A" on Bieksas jersey is strictly to give him SOME trade value. Congrats on the 2nd dumbest post of the day. Team management/corps don't give a guy a leadership role and then trade him. What message would that give to the rest of the group. They obviously think pretty highly of Bieksa and the character he brings in the dressing room. Just WOW at some of the people on this site. Is it a Pro-d day today or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 It just appeared that you were on the "blame Bieksa for everything" bandwagon. Your posts are not half as dumb as Newgrit and Sanford. If the stick never broke, it would not have been called. No good referee would put a team down by two in the 3rd for putting a stick over top of an opponents. And your claim on favortism is BS, as I said before this isn't pee wee hockey and Gillis wouldn't allow it. It would also be nice if you pointed out some of the nice pinches he made instead of always pointing out the bad, as I can point out the bad on every single dman last night (except maybe Hamhuis). AV definitely plays favorites (Bieksa and Rypien most notably) and it has nothing to do with pee wee hockey. It is human nature. He favors certain types of players and that is not a knock on him. It just is what it is. Looking objectively though, Bieksa is high risk both offensively and defensively. When it works out, it looks like a good decision to play him more. When it doesnt (which happens a bit more often than not the last few years) it does not look like such a good decision. If used within his limits, I think Bieksa would be even more valuable to this team. Using him too much leads to glaring mistakes on his part. When used properly, he helps the team, no doubt about it. As an example, last night Bieksa was good when he was jumping in on the rush. for the most part he made good decisions about when to go in. Unfortunately, he also seemed to go in and stay too deep too often, getting caught several times. That is life with Bieksa. He can do something very good and very bad on the same shift or even on the same play. That is where a lot of the frustration about him comes from. He cant string together consecutive shifts where he plays his best. AV seems to think the solution to that is to play him more and I disagree. Play him less but in more offensive type situations and take advantage of his talents. He thinks offense all the time and will never be a shutdown D man type. Stop playing him like one and we will all be happier with the results for him and or the team. As for the bolded part, is there even such a thing in the NHL nowadays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 So the penalty that Bieksa took to put us two men down that resulted DIRECTLY in the tying goal is somehow lost on you? He also got schooled like a BAD AHL defenceman on the go ahead goal! He was out hustled by the original puck carrier and then decided to chase the puck around (and god knows what else) all the while leaving Perry to stand unmolested at the side of the net for the easy tap in. Perry was there for so long by himself he could have opened a store! Two glaring mistakes by Bieksa. Two goals in our net by the opposing team. We loose 4 - 3. Nuf said! It wasn't like it was Parros cutting down the wing, it was a superstar in Bobby Ryan and Bieksa was caught flat footed as he was about to pinch but then realized he was last man back and Ryan was in full stride and Bieksa was able to catch up which is why Ryan had to stop and make a play. True, he didn't look the greatest on that goal though. But how about 5++ great pinches he did make and how many times he kept the puck in on the PP. The penalty wouldn't have been called had his stick not broke. Nuf said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatoes Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 So the penalty that Bieksa took to put us two men down that resulted DIRECTLY in the tying goal is somehow lost on you? He also got schooled like a BAD AHL defenceman on the go ahead goal! He was out hustled by the original puck carrier and then decided to chase the puck around (and god knows what else) all the while leaving Perry to stand unmolested at the side of the net for the easy tap in. Perry was there for so long by himself he could have opened a store! Two glaring mistakes by Bieksa. Two goals in our net by the opposing team. We loose 4 - 3. Nuf said! +1. It is funny how people don't see these things though. I mean it is right there in play day where you can just use your eyes and brain to register how bad he is. Yet, people write it off as hate. Go figure.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatoes Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 It wasn't like it was Parros cutting down the wing, it was a superstar in Bobby Ryan and Bieksa was caught flat footed as he was about to pinch but then realized he was last man back and Ryan was in full stride and Bieksa was able to catch up which is why Ryan had to stop and make a play. True, he didn't look the greatest on that goal though. But how about 5++ great pinches he did make and how many times he kept the puck in on the PP. The penalty wouldn't have been called had his stick not broke. Nuf said! You can make all the good plays in the world in the offensive zone and it still wouldn't make up for it if you are completely useless in all other zones. The obvious way to do it is how Team Canada does it. Leave out the Souray's, Savard's, and Mike Green's and you most likely won't lose to teams like Russia. The extra bit of scoring you would get is just not worth the boatload of weaknesses you would take in. It isn't rocket science here, Bieksa should be not good enough to make this team no matter how many good offensive plays he makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank&dan Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Congrats on the 2nd dumbest post of the day. Team management/corps don't give a guy a leadership role and then trade him. What message would that give to the rest of the group. They obviously think pretty highly of Bieksa and the character he brings in the dressing room. Just WOW at some of the people on this site. Is it a Pro-d day today or something. Would it be risky to purchase a Bieksa jersey this year? Would you say he's pretty locked down and will be re-signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Would it be risky to purchase a Bieksa jersey this year? Would you say he's pretty locked down and will be re-signed? I don't think Bieksa will be traded as depth is important and I think there is a good posibility he will be re-signed (hopefully for a little less as it would get some off the trolls of his back). I know you'll be pointing to the cap but as proven in the past, Gillman has his ways. You can make all the good plays in the world in the offensive zone and it still wouldn't make up for it if you are completely useless in all other zones. Completely useless??? Your hatred for Bieksa forces your blindness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 You can make all the good plays in the world in the offensive zone and it still wouldn't make up for it if you are completely useless in all other zones. The obvious way to do it is how Team Canada does it. Leave out the Souray's, Savard's, and Mike Green's and you most likely won't lose to teams like Russia. The extra bit of scoring you would get is just not worth the boatload of weaknesses you would take in. It isn't rocket science here, Bieksa should be not good enough to make this team no matter how many good offensive plays he makes. None of this post makes any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sQuish Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Anyone care to explain exactly what mistakes Bieksa made last game that has everyone throwing him into a wood chipper so easily? You all keep going on and on and about these so called defensive gaffs, but can you actually back it up? Besides the slashing "penalty" which really was just bad luck/timing. 1st goal: Ehrhoff/Edler on the ice 2nd goal: Bieksa took the unlucky penalty (could happen to anyone), Hamhuis on the ice. 3rd goal: He wasn't outskated on the far side, he caught up just fine. Perry made a nice move to stop, and pass into the middle. There were FOUR ducks involved in the play, and only ONE Canuck forward coming back to help. That makes it a 4-on-3; by simple logic someone is bound to be left wide open. It was a defensive breakdown by the whole line; you can't blame it solely on Bieksa. But you haters of course will anyway. 4th goal: You going to blame the missed call for too many men on Bieksa too? Or how about the fact that Henrik coughed up the puck at center ice, then sat there complaining to the ref as 4 Ducks steamed into our end, instead of getting off the ice? Henrik is the one that caused that whole mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatoes Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 None of this post makes any sense. It means that defense wins championships not retarded offensive players like Bieksa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brahma Bull Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Would it be risky to purchase a Bieksa jersey this year? Would you say he's pretty locked down and will be re-signed? i don't know if this is a joke. don't buy a bieksa. i doubt he'll be on the team once salo returns (due to cap space). A hamhuis jersey though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatoes Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Anyone care to explain exactly what mistakes Bieksa made last game that has everyone throwing him into a wood chipper so easily? You all keep going on and on and about these so called defensive gaffs, but can you actually back it up? Besides the slashing "penalty" which really was just bad luck/timing. 1st goal: Ehrhoff/Edler on the ice 2nd goal: Bieksa took the unlucky penalty (could happen to anyone), Hamhuis on the ice. 3rd goal: He wasn't outskated on the far side, he caught up just fine. Perry made a nice move to stop, and pass into the middle. There were FOUR ducks involved in the play, and only ONE Canuck forward coming back to help. That makes it a 4-on-3; by simple logic someone is bound to be left wide open. It was a defensive breakdown by the whole line; you can't blame it solely on Bieksa. But you haters of course will anyway. 4th goal: You going to blame the missed call for too many men on Bieksa too? Or how about the fact that Henrik coughed up the puck at center ice, then sat there complaining to the ref as 4 Ducks steamed into our end, instead of getting off the ice? Henrik is the one that caused that whole mess. His entire game is a mistake basically. Just pick anything. He makes very slow decisions during a fast fast game. That alone makes it harder on everyone by default. Whether people care to admit it or not, there is a butterfly effect here. Players get tired for covering for him throughout the season and it is draining babysitting hacks on your team. Anyone that plays should know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
لني Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 It means that defense wins championships not retarded offensive players like Bieksa. Actually it was your standard drivel. If you are referring to team Canada at the olympics which has to ice 6 d plus a few extras from a larger talent pool then an NHL team has and doesn't have the salary cap to contend with you are in fact comparing apples to oranges. Which team is it that wouldn't trade their current D corps for this: 2 Duncan Keith 6 Shea Weber 7 Brent Seabrook 8 Drew Doughty 20 Chris Pronger 22 Dan Boyle 27 Scott Niedermayer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sQuish Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 His entire game is a mistake basically. Just pick anything. He makes very slow decisions during a fast fast game. That alone makes it harder on everyone by default. Whether people care to admit it or not, there is a butterfly effect here. Players get tired for covering for him throughout the season and it is draining babysitting hacks on your team. Anyone that plays should know this. Oh ya? Your argument has very strong, valid points and is quite convincing. You should try out for your highschool debate team. You're quite good at it. I especially enjoy how well you back up your claims with examples and statistics, instead of biased conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 His entire game is a mistake basically. Just pick anything. He makes very slow decisions during a fast fast game. That alone makes it harder on everyone by default. Whether people care to admit it or not, there is a butterfly effect here. Players get tired for covering for him throughout the season and it is draining babysitting hacks on your team. Anyone that plays should know this. But yet in the other topic you claim we can get a 2nd rounder or a good prospect for Bieksa. Tell me Tatoes, if he is as bad as you claim then why would any team offer up anything. Get your head out of your as% and enjoy the sunshine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tits J. McGee Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Play Nice Children. It's only three games into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sampy Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Anyone care to explain exactly what mistakes Bieksa made last game that has everyone throwing him into a wood chipper so easily? You all keep going on and on and about these so called defensive gaffs, but can you actually back it up? Besides the slashing "penalty" which really was just bad luck/timing. 1st goal: Ehrhoff/Edler on the ice 2nd goal: Bieksa took the unlucky penalty (could happen to anyone), Hamhuis on the ice. 3rd goal: He wasn't outskated on the far side, he caught up just fine. Perry made a nice move to stop, and pass into the middle. There were FOUR ducks involved in the play, and only ONE Canuck forward coming back to help. That makes it a 4-on-3; by simple logic someone is bound to be left wide open. It was a defensive breakdown by the whole line; you can't blame it solely on Bieksa. But you haters of course will anyway. 4th goal: You going to blame the missed call for too many men on Bieksa too? Or how about the fact that Henrik coughed up the puck at center ice, then sat there complaining to the ref as 4 Ducks steamed into our end, instead of getting off the ice? Henrik is the one that caused that whole mess. +1 The haters will always find someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sQuish Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 I'd also like to add that Bieksa is the ONLY defenseman on the team that is +1 through 3 games, despite not scoring any points. Everyone else is 0, and Edler is -1. Sedins are the ONLY forwards that are -1, despite having 4 and 5 points each. Hmmm... maybe it's the SEDINS who aren't playing defensively???? But noooo... they can't do any wrong... let's just blame Bieksa instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttock Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 I am with Tatoes on this, and will add that EXECUTION is what leads to wins and Bieksa does not execute consistently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malHOEtra Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 I'd also like to add that Bieksa is the ONLY defenseman on the team that is +1 through 3 games, despite not scoring any points. Everyone else is 0, and Edler is -1. Sedins are the ONLY forwards that are -1, despite having 4 and 5 points each. Hmmm... maybe it's the SEDINS who aren't playing defensively???? But noooo... they can't do any wrong... let's just blame Bieksa instead. Well because Bieksa is soooooo aweful (sarcasm) Its funny because when people hate a player they go out of their way to point out any of their mistakes. I didn't even notice Rypien more than once on the ice (if you dont notice your 4th line out there its usually a good thing), but apparently people saying he killed the 4th line last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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