c0medyClub Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 "Can any of the Bieksa fans honestly say that this guy would even be in the NHL if he could not put up points?" Would a lot of offensive defensemen? Not really. What a stupid argument. Would Henrik be in the NHL if he was flat out useless offensively? Would Roberto be an NHL tender if he couldn't make saves? Get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 "Can any of the Bieksa fans honestly say that this guy would even be in the NHL if he could not put up points?" Can you honestly tell me Gretzky would have been in the NHL if he could not put up points? What a dumb question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCKLELION Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Were a contending team, in terms of value to the team Bieksa>2nd rounder/prospect good point when relating to depth, but IMO 2nd rounder/prospec>> Bieksa's 3.75 mil cap hit. That money could buy a lot of depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0medyClub Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 good point when relating to depth, but IMO 2nd rounder/prospec>> Bieksa's 3.75 mil cap hit. That money could buy a lot of depth. So could brittle old Salo sitting at home watching the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Almost as bad as O'Brien, but AV loves Bieksa for some stupid reason. Just because he tried to fight Ben Eager and got pounded? Whoopdee doo he gets into fights, I haven't seen him play physically with hits, solid defensively, shoot hard accurate shots or even make nice breakout passes. SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IS THIS GUY DOING ON OUR TOP PAIRING ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malHOEtra Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 "Can any of the Bieksa fans honestly say that this guy would even be in the NHL if he could not put up points?" Yeah. He hits, plays 2nd pairing minutes, can PK and play PP. Mike Weaver is a fringe NHL'er Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Bieksa will get the game winner in triple OT stanley cup finals game 6. That would freaking suck, I want the Canucks to win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c0medyClub Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Almost as bad as O'Brien, but AV loves Bieksa for some stupid reason. Just because he tried to fight Ben Eager and got pounded? Whoopdee doo he gets into fights, I haven't seen him play physically with hits, solid defensively, shoot hard accurate shots or even make nice breakout passes. SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IS THIS GUY DOING ON OUR TOP PAIRING ??? Pounded. Hardly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank&dan Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Would a lot of offensive defensemen? Not really. What a stupid argument. Would Henrik be in the NHL if he was flat out useless offensively? Would Roberto be an NHL tender if he couldn't make saves? Get real. No they wouldn't. What about a defenseman (bieksa) playing defense? Edit: Hank would make a great 3rd line centerman if he was the same player minus the points. He's responsible at both ends of the ice, strong on the puck, reads the play well and is a great faceoff guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank&dan Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Yeah. He hits, plays 2nd pairing minutes, can PK and play PP. Mike Weaver is a fringe NHL'er I have never mentioned Mike Weavers name in a post ever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Almost as bad as O'Brien, but AV loves Bieksa for some stupid reason. Just because he tried to fight Ben Eager and got pounded? Whoopdee doo he gets into fights, I haven't seen him play physically with hits, solid defensively, shoot hard accurate shots or even make nice breakout passes. SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IS THIS GUY DOING ON OUR TOP PAIRING ??? That essentially describes his performance from the Florida game. Were you actually watching? All those points you raised were actual things he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malHOEtra Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 good point when relating to depth, but IMO 2nd rounder/prospec>> Bieksa's 3.75 mil cap hit. That money could buy a lot of depth. Thanks! I just wonder about MG being able to get equal value back. MG could trade the Sedins if it made the team better. I think with us being a contender this year, having the depth on defense will be our best asset. I mean we have Hamhuis, Ballard, Edler, Ehrhoff, Salo, Bieksa, Alberts, Rome. It only takes 2 injuries to that lineup until we have Rome and Alberts in the lineup. Its happened before, but I would rather get to the playoffs with as much depth and insurance as possible. Salo gets hurt, Edler breaks a leg, we trade Bieksa. All of the sudden we are stuck with Hamhuis, Ballard, Ehrhoff, Alberts, Rome, Parent? Suddenly our strongest asset is a glaring weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malHOEtra Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 I have never mentioned Mike Weavers name in a post ever... My bad that was Buttock who said Weaver> Bieksa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Would a lot of offensive defensemen? Not really. What a stupid argument. Would Henrik be in the NHL if he was flat out useless offensively? Would Roberto be an NHL tender if he couldn't make saves? Get real. Exactly, and the answer to these questions is "NO". Edit: My bad, actually Hank would still be a valuable player, who am I kidding. You have to be able to play defence as a basis to be an NHL player in most cases. Not so with offence. Because Bieksa is a defender and should be good at defence, like Green but the answer in his his case is "YES", because his offence is so good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malHOEtra Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 What about Ehrhoff? He is not super sound defensively, but when paired with Edler they form a very formidable pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hank&dan Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 What about Ehrhoff? He is not super sound defensively, but when paired with Edler they form a very formidable pairing. True. Although no pairing with Bieksa involved has proved formidable and weaknesses are exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttock Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Would a lot of offensive defensemen? Not really. What a stupid argument. Would Henrik be in the NHL if he was flat out useless offensively? Would Roberto be an NHL tender if he couldn't make saves? Get real. Like I said before, I'm not interested in any defensemen with slightly below the bare minimum of hockey sense and skating/puckhandling fundamentals required to play in the NHL - even if they can score the odd goal. Even as a power play specialist. I don't want any Marc-Andre Bergerons, Kurtis Fosters, or Kevin Bieksas. They can be on somebody else's team. Yeah they provide value to a team lacking their particular offensive element, but you'll never win with these guys. Even good ol' "Special Ed" Jovanovski could win a puck battle in the corners or defend the front of the net, but I probably wouldn't want him on my team either. Mike Weaver doesn't make stupid game-changing mistakes and on a team with a stacked defense like we have, that is FAR more important than Bieksa's points or supposed toughness. It would be different if this was three years ago and our best options for the point on the power play with Salo injured were Ohlund, Krajicek, and Morrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperReverb2 Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Bieksa is making stupid mistakes and poor decisions right now and as a result of those mistakes and poor decisions the puck is ending up in our net. His lack of judgement cost us BIG time in game one and again in last nights game. Not hate. Just simple "watch the games" and his mistakes, etc., are obvious. Not sure what AV is seeing but having Bieksa on our top line along with the top minutes that goes with that territory is like watching the Canucks play with one hand behind there back at times. Don't get it! I really don't. Limit his ice time? Limit his mistakes? Salo? Help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmployeeoftheMonth Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 I have said several times in this thread that he has made some good reads and pinches and has played well overall. People seem to ignore that I am not suggesting that he is 100% bad. I have also NEVER in any post on CDC or anywhere else that I can remember anyway, blamed Bieksa for single handedly losing a game. He brings good and bad but my point was that the bad is much more noticeable than the good. Looking at this season so far, it is hard to argue that his positive impact has outweighed his negative one though. It was a general statement and not directed at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malHOEtra Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 Like I said before, I'm not interested in any defensemen with slightly below the bare minimum of hockey sense and skating/puckhandling fundamentals required to play in the NHL - even if they can score the odd goal. Even as a power play specialist. I don't want any Marc-Andre Bergerons, Kurtis Fosters, or Kevin Bieksas. They can be on somebody else's team. Yeah they provide value to a team lacking their particular offensive element, but you'll never win with these guys. Even good ol' "Special Ed" Jovanovski could win a puck battle in the corners or defend the front of the net, but I probably wouldn't want him on my team either. Mike Weaver doesn't make stupid game-changing mistakes and on a team with a stacked defense like we have, that is FAR more important than Bieksa's points or supposed toughness. It would be different if this was three years ago and our best options for the point on the power play with Salo injured were Ohlund, Krajicek, and Morrison. Each of the 3 d-pairings has 1 offense minded d-ma and 1 defensive minded d-man it seems. Hamhuis, Edler, Alberts = Defensive minded. Bieksa, Ehrhoff, Ballard= Offensive minded. Each and every d-pairing is balanced, givign us supreme depth, and always being dangerous on the back end. You would really replace Bieksa with Mike Weaver, who played his first full NHL season last year? We have a top 3 defense in the NHL and people want to mess with it?!? If it aint broke don't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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