Red Light Racicot Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Right, just like the USA is isolated from the world everytime they veto a resolution against Israel (which no other nation in the world has been condemned more by the UN Security Council than the Zionist state). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Definitely some hypocracy going on by the US here (as usual, lamentingly) In modern times the US has the lion share of UN vetoes, many in the defense of Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-17065056 We've now got the UN General Assembly backing a resolution put forth by the Arab League. I'm pretty sure neither of those groups are especially pro-Israel. Are people willing to admit what's actually going on here now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-17065056 We've now got the UN General Assembly backing a resolution put forth by the Arab League. I'm pretty sure neither of those groups are especially pro-Israel. Are people willing to admit what's actually going on here now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 High-Tech Trickery in Homs? What was surely meant to be a clever display of media-friendly visuals to illustrate Syrian regime violence in Homs, has instead raised more questions than answers. US State Department satellite images of the embattled city were posted on Facebook last Friday by US Ambassador to Syria Robert Ford, who complains: “A terrible and tragic development in Syria is the use of heavy weaponry by the Assad regime against residential neighborhoods.” The “satellite photos,” says Ford, “have captured both the carnage and those causing it — the artillery is clearly there, it is clearly bombing entire neighborhoods…We are intent on exposing the regime’s brutal tactics for the world to see.” But within 24 hours, the blog Moon of Alabama had taken a hammer to the ambassador’s claims. A detailed examination of satellite imagery by the bloggers revealed numerous discrepancies in Washington’s allegations. Mainly, their investigations point to the fact that Ford’s satellite images were “of guns training within military barracks or well known training areas and not in active deployment.” Moon of Alabama posts its own satellite images, graphics and diagrams to bolster its argument – and these are well worth a look. The US envoy’s questionable claims don’t stop at satellite images, however. In his Facebook post, Ford insists: “There is no evidence that the opposition — even those opposition members who have defected from the military — has access to or has employed such heavy weapons. “ By this, he means the “artillery” used “to pound civilian apartment buildings and homes from a distance.” .... http://www.veteranst...ickery-in-homs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Wow is Homs ever getting blown to sh!t. And oh wait, Russian diplomats are reportedly working on an OUT strategy for Assad. I wonder if some in this thread would now admit there is a problem, Amish I think it's funny how some on here slam Israel, the U.S, Nato, UN etc to make their case, while not even acknowledging what is going on, rather to say main stream media is making this all up. Well to those I say listen to Russian diplomats and what they're saying. Or do you now not believe them either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 Wow is Homs ever getting blown to sh!t. And oh wait, Russian diplomats are reportedly working on an OUT strategy for Assad. I wonder if some in this thread would now admit there is a problem, Amish I think it's funny how some on here slam Israel, the U.S, Nato, UN etc to make their case, while not even acknowledging what is going on, rather to say main stream media is making this all up. Well to those I say listen to Russian diplomats and what they're saying. Or do you now not believe them either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lafayettecrossbar Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'll be terse here, there are no good guys vs. bad guys, nobility vs. evil, dark vs. light, etc.... it's strategic fighting/posturing/struggling for resources and power. A simple pillar of Marxism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted February 17, 2012 Share Posted February 17, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-17065056 We've now got the UN General Assembly backing a resolution put forth by the Arab League. I'm pretty sure neither of those groups are especially pro-Israel. Are people willing to admit what's actually going on here now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
key2thecup Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Wow is Homs ever getting blown to sh!t. And oh wait, Russian diplomats are reportedly working on an OUT strategy for Assad. I wonder if some in this thread would now admit there is a problem, Amish I think it's funny how some on here slam Israel, the U.S, Nato, UN etc to make their case, while not even acknowledging what is going on, rather to say main stream media is making this all up. Well to those I say listen to Russian diplomats and what they're saying. Or do you now not believe them either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Wow, this thread is so full of strawmen you could start a scarecrow army to take down Assad and you wouldn't even need the UN. Assad is murdering Syrian civilians. This much as abundantly clear, and should be all the justification that is needed for a UN resolution to go through. What other factions or groups in the country are doing does not alter that fact. Anyone who actually wishes to deny that Assad is committing genocide, I would love for you to make that explicitly clear. Otherwise, there's not much of an argument against some form of concerted international response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthNinja Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Wow, this thread is so full of strawmen you could start a scarecrow army to take down Assad and you wouldn't even need the UN. Assad is murdering Syrian civilians. This much as abundantly clear, and should be all the justification that is needed for a UN resolution to go through. What other factions or groups in the country are doing does not alter that fact. Anyone who actually wishes to deny that Assad is committing genocide, I would love for you to make that explicitly clear. Otherwise, there's not much of an argument against some form of concerted international response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 It's defintily not genocide. However, the fact that so much emphasis is put on conspiracy thoeries in this thread is troubling. Noone is discussing the major issue here: Assad is shelling his own people in order to consolidate power. We should also be clear that noone is talking about sending in troops yet. Assad is being asked to make reforms. The arab league and Russia would never allow American troops on Syrian soil. Syria is a long time ally of Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gretzky's Mullet Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Call it what you like. Assad has to repress his people by killing them. He has lost the ability to rule and needs to leave by one means or another. You seem to think the United States is just setting this up to be a war. But as much as you may not like US foreign policy, they do not want to go to war in Syria or anywhere else. They can't afford it, it's very politically unpopular everywhere on the political spectrum, and they've clearly had their fill. They did NOT invade Libya and in fact were very minor players there, what's to say this will be any different? Incidentally, Darth, you kind of sound like you're justifying not only the Assad regime but also the Gaddhafi regime. Either you think trying to defend civilians against their violence is justified (as Obama did in Libya), or you are ok with seeing defenceless people murdered by government forces (which has been thoroughly documented by media of all stripes in both countries). Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Syria and the media: “Activists say...” by William Bowles Every time I read a BBC news piece about events in Syria it invariably includes the following phrase (emphasized): “Troops are shelling intensively parts of the Syrian city of Homs, activists say, a day after the UN General Assembly called for an end to violence.” — ‘Syrian city shelled after UN vote’, BBC News, 17 February 2012 And invariably what the ‘activists’ say is about the Assad regime killing its citizens. So where is the BBC’s much-vaunted ‘objectivity’? Who are these ‘activists’? By what means does the BBC verify these accounts? And since when has unverifiable news stories been the main source of the BBC’s news on Syria? The Syrian army resumes its bombardment of the restive city of Homs, killing at least 13 people early on Thursday, activists say. — ‘Deadly shelling hits Syrian city’, BBC News 09/02/2012 at 08:29 Is it any wonder confusion reigns amongst progressives, who on the one hand condemn alleged deadly attacks by the Syrian state on its citizens but seem rather mute on the subject of the ‘armed insurrection’. This question is pivotal to the situation: Are the ‘armed insurrections’ a legitimate response to state violence or are they an attempt to overthrow the state that in turn initiated the Syrian state to respond with deadly violence? “An explosion damages a major oil pipeline in the central Syrian city of Homs, witnesses and activists say, with the government blaming “armed terrorists”. — ‘Blast hits key Syria oil pipeline’, BBC News 15/2/12 Moreover, are such armed attacks supported, funded and armed by outside forces? Because if they are, they constitute the illegal interference into the internal affairs of a sovereign state. Interference that inevitably provokes a response from the state (which is no doubt one of the objectives). A response that with the help of the BBC and its ‘activist’ assistance can then present the Syrian state as “having a licence to kill”. “Syria’s government has been handed a “licence to kill” by Russia and China, opposition activists say, after the countries blocked a draft UN resolution.” — ‘Syrian veto a ‘licence to kill”, BBC News 05/02/2012 at 11:07 Anyone who believes that the Empire is at all concerned about the ‘human rights’ of Syrian citizens and it’s this that motivates its desire to ‘protect’, must have slept through the Empire’s decades-long killing spree. It’s unfortunate that those of us who are defending the Syrian state’s right to its independence are, by virtue of ‘guilt by association’, accused of defending the Assad regime. What kind of argument is this? What are we talking about here? It assumes that there is some kind of universal law in operation that treats all countries and individuals equally, under the eyes of this universal law. But patently this is not true. Laws are applied or not, depending on who is doing the applying and who is on the receiving end. “Activists say Syrian forces have shelled the city of Homs and killed more than 200 people – a claim denied by the government – ahead of a key UN vote.” — ‘Syria forces in Homs massacre’ — BBC News 04/02/2012 at 09:04 The same rubbish came down the propaganda pipeline when the Empire decided it was time to get rid of Gaddafi. But what do those on the left who bought into this R2P nonsense have to say today I wonder? The latest casualty figures I’ve read for ‘protecting the human rights’ of the Libyan people is that at least 30,000 people have been killed, 50,000 more wounded, and some 4,000 are still missing, all the result of NATO’s R2P bombs. And these are figures released by the ruling NTC (there are also an estimated 8000 alleged Gaddafi supporters in jail with verified accounts of widespread torture and summary executions taking place under the NATO-imposed ‘democracy’). Is this the kind of price those on the left are willing to see others pay? Obviously they are, they are not on the receiving end. “Syria’s army moves to reassert control in rebellious suburbs of Damascus in the worst fighting around the capital in the 10-month uprising, activists say.” — ‘Crackdown on rebels in Damascus’, BBC News 29/01/2012 at 09:16 ....... http://www.globalres...xt=va&aid=29364 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Has the US made any serious calls for military action in Syria? You do realize that the US played a very minor role in Lybia. In fact, the US had been negotiating all sorts of economic and trade agreements with Gaddafi just prior to the uprising. The mission in Lybia was a NATO mission spearheaded by the French and British. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 The US never plays a minor role with NATO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31Cv1arOsRY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 well then, it's a good thing McCain lost the election. You do realize he's no the president right? Who cares what he calls for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 well then, it's a good thing McCain lost the election. You do realize he's no the president right? Who cares what he calls for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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