taxi Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 What would that do? Drop in the bucket. Seems to me he's using his money and influence to start a political magazine and start a dialogue on positive change. That's a hell of a lot more than you're likely doing. Oh wow...he's becoming the paid editor of a for a profit magazine. And noone is saying he should have to give away all of his money. However, he doesn't need to drive 150+k cars either. And yes, giving away 100k of that automobile purchase would make a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Love that this discussion is about the messenger and not the message. Good job internet. This is such a lame argument point. The credibility of a messenger is always important. The message itself is a great ideal. Everyone would think it would be great if everyone could live a comfortable and happy lifestyle. The issue is that there is no way to implement that system. Brand provides no solution to a problem. He just states he wants a problem fixed.....well duh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 This is such a lame argument point. The credibility of a messenger is always important. The message itself is a great ideal. Everyone would think it would be great if everyone could live a comfortable and happy lifestyle. The issue is that there is no way to implement that system. Brand provides no solution to a problem. He just states he wants a problem fixed.....well duh. What's lame is dismissing an argument because you have a problem with the messenger of that argument. Who cares who he is, it's the point that matters. Your 'well duh' isn't a well duh to a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 What's lame is dismissing an argument because you have a problem with the messenger of that argument. Who cares who he is, it's the point that matters. Your 'well duh' isn't a well duh to a lot of people. His argument is easily dismissed, because he fails to offer anything of value to the discussion. What he's going on about is not something new. Brilliant political theorists have been trying to achieve his stated goal since the beginning of society. Ironically, what people are focussing on here is the messenger. This time the message is coming from a charismatic and hip celebritry. Therefore, it's getting attention. When you actually break it down, however, the problem is one of greed. Which is why Brand's propensity to surround himself in total luxury at all time is more than relevant to this discussion. It all goes back to the issue that he is not offering any solution. He's just pointing out that some people a rich and others are poor and wouldn't it be great if we could all be rich...duh. So, in reality, it's not me who is primariy looking at the messegner, but everyone who giving attention to Brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 His argument is easily dismissed, because he fails to offer anything of value to the discussion. What he's going on about is not something new. Brilliant political theorists have been trying to achieve his stated goal since the beginning of society. Ironically, what people are focussing on here is the messenger. This time the message is coming from a charismatic and hip celebritry. Therefore, it's getting attention. When you actually break it down, however, the problem is one of greed. Which is why Brand's propensity to surround himself in total luxury at all time is more than relevant to this discussion. It all goes back to the issue that he is not offering any solution. He's just pointing out that some people a rich and others are poor and wouldn't it be great if we could all be rich...duh. So, in reality, it's not me who is primariy looking at the messegner, but everyone who giving attention to Brand. Again, who cares who the messenger is if the discussion is generated. He is offering a platform for a discussion to achieve a solution. Your assertion that we should just dismiss him because he can't immediately come up with a global solution is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyledude Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 He is most certainly in the 1%. No debate about it. Anything above around 350k/year puts you there. You're talking about income, which is different from net worth. We're talking about wealth here, which is measured in holdings. You know, the people who don't work but control everything - not silly hollywood celebrities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberries Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Katy Perry is gross and prefers BBC. lol wuttttttt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Remember when Tesla Motors CEO said the world needed a 'hyperloop?' This is that. "We need a world revolution. Aaaaaand, go!" Pffft... Russel Brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 You're talking about income, which is different from net worth. We're talking about wealth here, which is measured in holdings. You know, the people who don't work but control everything - not silly hollywood celebrities. Silly hollywood celebrities often have incredible amounts of wealth and are very influential in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph StaIin Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~ Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTania Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~ Me Really? This is scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 So I'm sure people have seen this video making the rounds by now. It's a pretty good discussion with Russel Brand about politics and why he doesn't vote. And why people need to wake up to whats going around them and demand change. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLYcn3PuTTk&feature=youtu.be He's actually really well spoken. Trey Parker and Matt Stone were onto it years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Interesting! He reminds me of my middle son in looks and eloquence. None of my grown children vote as they share the same disenfranchisement as Russel. We could very well be on the verge of a revolution as more and more we are seeing people using social disobedience to reject the laws-of-the-land regardless of consequences. We live in interesting times! You are kidding right ? There was more of a spirit for revolution in the 60's and 70's , most of generation X sold out and bought into the me first, self entitled societies that we are today in supposed western Democracies they have no stomach for revolution. Political leaders are a reflection of the society they purport to lead, stupid, selfish and greedy. Its not the right time to be sober Now the Idiots have taken over Spreading like a social cancer , is there an answer ? Mensa membership conceding Tell me why and how are all the stupid people breeding Watson, it's really elementary The industrial revolution Has flipped the bitch on evolution The benevolent and wise are being thwarted, ostracized, what a bummer The world keeps getting dumber Insensitivity is standard and faith is being fancied over reason Darwin's rolling over in his coffin The fittest are surviving much less often Now everything seems to be reversing, and it's worsening Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool Now angry mob mentality's no longer the exception, it's the rule And I'm starting to feel a lot like Charlton Heston Stranded on a primate planet Apes and orangutans that ran it to the ground With generals and the armies that obeyed them Followers following fables Philosophies that enable them to rule without regard There's no point for democracy when ignorance is celebrated Political scientists get the same one vote as some Arkansas inbred Majority rule, don't work in mental institutions Sometimes the smallest softest voice carries the grand biggest solutions What are we left with? A nation of god-fearing pregnant nationalists Who feel it's their duty to populate the homeland Pass on traditions How to get ahead religions And prosperity via simpleton culture The idiots are taking over Mike Burkett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 This is such a lame argument point. The credibility of a messenger is always important. The message itself is a great ideal. Everyone would think it would be great if everyone could live a comfortable and happy lifestyle. The issue is that there is no way to implement that system. Brand provides no solution to a problem. He just states he wants a problem fixed.....well duh. There are plenty of solutions, for starters you can get money out of politics and close tax haven loopholes. Also, attacking the person is something you do when you've lost the argument. Someone can be an absolute, total hypocrite, but it doesn't mean what they are saying is wrong. I can say McDonald's is bad for you but still eat it, it does't mean McDonald's isn't bad for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Tamland Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 It's easy to look at the system and say it isn't working, but coming up with the alternative, that is intelligence. He isn't saying anything we don't already know. However, if you study history, the world was worse off without government. Is that what he suggests? Revolution is not the answer. The answer is to be the change... Example: the US is now using old trailer containers for housing for the lower income and homeless. Terrific! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Russel Brand is incredibly narcissistic, even by his own admission. His motivation to change/see change in society is not driven by utilitarianism. He is driven by his want to be more than just a B list actor who hasn't really made a difference anywhere. He wants to be the person to be the hero and make the difference. However, to think that he actually cares about other people is, to me, completely contradictory to everything that is indicated by his personality. He hasn't said anything that literally millions of people have already said. Difference is that he has a platform to say it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph StaIin Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 This kids got zeal I'll give him that, revolution burns in his heart and I can relate to that, but I'll crush him in a heartbeat if he tries to spread revolution on soviet soil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Habitat Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 He is well spoken and makes lots of great points but offers zero solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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