VaNux Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Happy Holidays All! This is my proposal/speculation of how I believe the Canucks will/should evolve over this season and next. As I have mentioned before, I believe this year is being used as a transition year. I don't want to say MG is not trying to win or is trying to sandbag this year, but I think he is just doing the best he can with what we have. This way we can see really what we have in all areas, and then really go for it next year with a decent FA and rise in the cap. I expect very little movement (trades etc) this year, so we can rejuvenate our prospect pool, build depth and be better positioned to make a real good push for next year. What we have (all healthy): Sedin-Sedin-Burr Higgy-Kes-Santo Booth-Rich-Hansen Weise-Dalpe-Kassian Sestito-Schroeder Hamhuis-Tanev Edler-Garrison Stanton-Bieksa Alberts Lu Lack Free Space: 2.4 mill approx One of the only moves I can see MG making, if anything, will be before the Olympic break. I think he will do this to get ahead of the curve and give the lineup more time to gel. To Van: Steve Ott To Buf: 2nd Pick 2014 Alexander Mallet Perhaps you would offer something different, and I would love to hear it. I am not the best at proposals, as I always overvalue for us and undervalue for them. However, I really think MG will do everything he can to get Ott, as he has previously expressed a strong interest in him. I personally believe he would be an awesome fit here and definitely become another piece in being a contender. What we will have this year: Sedin-Sedin-Burr Higgy-Kes-Santo Booth-Ott-Hansen Weise-Richardson-Kassian Sestito-Dalpe Hamhuis-Tanev Edler-Garrison Stanton-Bieksa Alberts Lu Lack Next year, with the Cap rumored to go up to 71.1 mil at least: Re-Sign Mike Santorelli @ 2 years, avg 3.25 mil Re-Sign Steve Ott @ 3 years, avg 3 mil Re-Sign Chris Tanev @ 2 years, avg 2.5 mil Re-Sign Zack Kassian @ 2 years, avg 1.15 mil Re-Sign Dale Weise @ 2 years, avg .85 mil Re-Sign Yannick Weber @ 2 years, avg .8 mil Compliance buy out David Booth This is where things would need to align, but I don't think it is out of the realm of reality. Detroit has been rumored to be quite interested in Edler, and I think they will make a strong run for him again. I believe Edler will waive to go to a team like Detroit, especially with so many fellow Swedes. To Van: Helm, Jurco, 2nd To Det: Edler Sign FA Dan Girardi @ 5 years, avg 5 mil I believe for the obvious reasons he would come here. After those moves, we would still have roughly .5 mil left in cap, depending on who made the team. Rather than give the lines, I would just like to put what training camp could look like. This will give us great depth for the Nux and Utica: Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Higgins-Kesler-Santorelli Ott-Helm-Hansen Shinkaruk-Horvat-Jurco Sestito-Richardson-Weise Fox-Schroeder-Kassian Pelletier-Gaunce-Jensen Archibald-Cassels-Grenier ....and more; I know everyone will have different opinions on who goes where. Hamhuis-Girardi Garrison-Tanev Stanton-Bieksa Weber-Corrado Sauve-Blain Andersson-Tommerness Luongo Lack Eriksson Cannata This is all not including who we draft in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Do not want Steve Ott. Here is the issue with yesterdays signing. Horvat Gaunce Schroeder Lain Cassels Shinkaruk Fox And then Sedin/Sedin Kesler Richardson Santorelli That is our team and prospect depth at Center. Picking up another center with declining production and then trying to retain him next season over other younger hungrier players with more offensive upside is just not a good idea. The entire fan base and most analysts are clamouring for the team to bring in younger players and or prospects. Ott is not that guy. We need RW and PMD's not anymore centers edit: Girardi is not even in your line up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 +1, very nice proposal. Only thing I see somewhat off is paying Girardi $5 mill since he hasn't come back to his former self but even then it'd be worth it cause he is still solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 War hippy, you can never have too many centres and Ott plays wing too and is versatile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaNux Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Do not want Steve Ott. Here is the issue with yesterdays signing. Horvat Gaunce Schroeder Lain Cassels Shinkaruk Fox And then Sedin/Sedin Kesler Richardson Santorelli That is our team and prospect depth at Center. Picking up another center with declining production and then trying to retain him next season over other younger hungrier players with more offensive upside is just not a good idea. The entire fan base and most analysts are clamouring for the team to bring in younger players and or prospects. Ott is not that guy. We need RW and PMD's not anymore centers This is the classic debate; Can you be a legitimate contender while going with such a strong youth movement. I personally believe you must supplement youth into a veteran contending team. I think it will take a few years before the youth you mentioned to take that prominent of a role on a contending team. I think Ott at 3c would be much better than Horvat in the playoffs. When they are ready, Ott's contract would be up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 War hippy, you can never have too many centres and Ott plays wing too and is versatile. Declining production over younger faster better player is my argument. PLus we still need a pure goal scoring winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaNux Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Declining production over younger faster better player is my argument. PLus we still need a pure goal scoring winger. Personally I wasn't proposing Ott so much for his offensive skills as I was for his defensive abilities and intangibles. We still have room for youth on the team with my proposal. That's the beauty with youth; their cheap. Say we did: Sedin-Sedin-Burr Higgy-Kes-Santo Shink-Horvat-Jurco Ott-Helm-Hansen We would have sooo much versatility! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Personally I wasn't proposing Ott so much for his offensive skills as I was for his defensive abilities and intangibles. We still have room for youth on the team with my proposal. That's the beauty with youth; their cheap. Say we did: Sedin-Sedin-Burr Higgy-Kes-Santo Shink-Horvat-Jurco Ott-Helm-Hansen We would have sooo much versatility! But we don't need more defensively responsible players on a Tortorella style team. We need offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaNux Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 But we don't need more defensively responsible players on a Tortorella style team. We need offense I think we need both to be a contending team; BALANCE. Think about playing teams like LA, ANA, SJS, BOS etc. Adding size, grit faceoffs, experience would be extremely beneficial. Furthermore, the proposal leaves CAP flexibility for a deadline deal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon4401 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Ott/Horvat/Gaunce can all play center/LW...Kesler/Santo can play center/RW Ott would be a good 3rd line center for the team this year and could be resigned or let walk in the offseason if doesent seem like a fit Look at San Jose Thornton/Marleau/Pavelski/Hertl/Courure/Wingels/Desjardins Seems to me like they have a lot of centers that can play center and the wing and it plays to their advantage if one is kicked out of the faceoff circle they have another ready to go and one could take the faceoff their strong side and the other his etc EDIT: Burrows can play both wings and center as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaNux Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Ott/Horvat/Gaunce can all play center/LW...Kesler/Santo can play center/RW Ott would be a good 3rd line center for the team this year and could be resigned or let walk in the offseason if doesent seem like a fit Look at San Jose Thornton/Marleau/Pavelski/Hertl/Courure/Wingels/Desjardins Seems to me like they have a lot of centers that can play center and the wing and it plays to their advantage if one is kicked out of the faceoff circle they have another ready to go and one could take the faceoff their strong side and the other his etc EDIT: Burrows can play both wings and center as well Exactly; Gillis is always talking about the advantage of acquiring versatile forwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Exactly; Gillis is always talking about the advantage of acquiring versatile forwards Here is my issue with acquiring Ott as a 3rd line C http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/_/id/1985/steve-ott http://sabres.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8468505 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=50277 VS Brad Richardson http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=59636 http://espn.go.com/nhl/player/_/id/3154/brad-richardson http://www.cbc.ca/sports-content/hockey/nhl/player/296053/stats/ Those stats are really comparable over the last few years. Ott is no longer that go to 3rd line center. I agree he could be handy in a long playoff run. But I think that at his cap hit we are best for going towards either a solid scoring winger and or Defensive Depth. If it was a 3rd line C, for comparable stats again I would go to Matthias or someone like that. But as it stands I am happy with our C depth and we just need that extra scoring touch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'd pass on Ott. We've already got Richardson who brings similar defensive ability and size, while providing better production on a budget contract. Something like a 4th line defensive center is fine with me if Dalpe doesn't cut it. If we're going to get a rental for the playoffs I'd agree with the notion of adding offense instead, and someone like Cammalleri would be very nice to acquire. His top-notch shot can really make a difference, and with all the physical guys on this team to complement him I don't think you have to worry too much about him getting pushed around. He, Kes, Santo, Daniel and to lesser extents Higgins and Hansen give this team pretty strong depth in terms of good shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaNux Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Here is my issue with acquiring Ott as a 3rd line C http://espn.go.com/n.../1985/steve-ott http://sabres.nhl.co....htm?id=8468505 http://www.hockeydb....y.php?pid=50277 VS Brad Richardson http://www.hockeydb....y.php?pid=59636 http://espn.go.com/n...brad-richardson http://www.cbc.ca/sp...r/296053/stats/ Those stats are really comparable over the last few years. Ott is no longer that go to 3rd line center. I agree he could be handy in a long playoff run. But I think that at his cap hit we are best for going towards either a solid scoring winger and or Defensive Depth. If it was a 3rd line C, for comparable stats again I would go to Matthias or someone like that. But as it stands I am happy with our C depth and we just need that extra scoring touch There is no comparison between Richardson and Ott. Look at Ott's stats more carefully; I suggest NHL.com. You will see that he is a beast on faceoffs and has consistently been so. He is a hitting machine and is much more physical and gritty than Richardson. He has had great point totals for his role, with the exception of this year. This year is has been playing on one of if the not the worst teams in the league and in a completely different role than one that suits his game. Put him on our team and he would be a stud. Size, grit, tenacity, faceoffs, hits, agitation, toughness and contirbutions offensively. On a contending team, he would be much more suitable than Richardson. Remember Malhotra pre-injury? I find it hard that a rookie would be able to provide those qualities. Again though, you can have both, as youth are quite cheap. When building a contending team, you have to have veterans, role players and youth. I don't disagree we could add more offense, but we would have a whole season and cap space to take care of that. Would would you propose vs my proposal that would make us a stronger team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaNux Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 I mean, I suppose in my proposal you could not re-sign Ott and apply that $$$ to an offensive player. Anyway, gotta go. Thanks for the the conversation! See you tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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