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Just because we disagree on something doesn't mean I'm a troll.

It's the word believe I'm having trouble with in your argument. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

Perhaps I felt it was less that honest when you excluded part of his quote. Maybe I'm just being a sensitive old B though.

It's a pretty subtle distinction.

And yes, you are right in that people use "troll" far too much here. It's like "hater": simply a lazy way to discredit someone that you disagree with and either can't be bothered to come up with an argument, or actually don't have a valid argument but don't want to admit the other party has a point.. Very annoying.

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"quite possibly" is what Kerry Fraser said

Kerry Fraser believes it "quite possibly" factored into their decision

Kerry Fraser believes it might have been a factor

where did I lose you?

You didn't. It's just not the whole quote. The quote is two statements.

Like I said though I'm probably just being over sensitive about it. I still don't believe a quote should be presented in it's entirety because for me the whole quote puts different weight to the two statements.

Not every disagreement has to be a fight Xanlet. You don't need to get so worked up.

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You didn't. It's just not the whole quote. The quote is two statements.

Like I said though I'm probably just being over sensitive about it. I still don't believe a quote should be presented in it's entirety because for me the whole quote puts different weight to the two statements.

The whole quote : "Given the entire circumstance and magnitude of the illegal hit, I have to believe that the absence of injury to Burrows, and quite possibly a tight playoff race that the defending Stanley Cup Champions are currently engaged in, had to play a part in the decision by the Player Safety Committee not to take further action against Tyler Toffoli."

"I have to believe that the absence of injury to Burrows, and quite possibly a tight playoff race that the defending Stanley Cup Champions are currently engaged in"

the only difference is that the second half is preceded by "quite possibly"

you were framing it as though I had claimed Kerry Fraser firmly believes it was a factor. That is an outright lie. I said every time that he believed it might have been a factor. That was what led me to think you were a troll, Mongrel

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It's a pretty subtle distinction.

And yes, you are right in that people use "troll" far too much here. It's like "hater": simply a lazy way to discredit someone that you disagree with and either can't be bothered to come up with an argument, or actually don't have a valid argument but don't want to admit the other party has a point.. Very annoying.

Absolutely it is and certainly not worth the energy that's put out for it. (I'm off work and a little bored today.) Although subtle though as I said to Xanlet I just don't think it's very honest to pick parts out of quotes to better serve an argument.

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Absolutely it is and certainly not worth the energy that's put out for it. (I'm off work and a little bored today.) Although subtle though as I said to Xanlet I just don't think it's very honest to pick parts out of quotes to better serve an argument.

I take that as an insult. I very deliberately kept intact Fraser's meaning. He DOES believe that it MIGHT have been a factor.

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The whole quote : "Given the entire circumstance and magnitude of the illegal hit, I have to believe that the absence of injury to Burrows, and quite possibly a tight playoff race that the defending Stanley Cup Champions are currently engaged in, had to play a part in the decision by the Player Safety Committee not to take further action against Tyler Toffoli."

"I have to believe that the absence of injury to Burrows, and quite possibly a tight playoff race that the defending Stanley Cup Champions are currently engaged in"

the only difference is that the second half is preceded by "quite possibly"

you were framing it as though I had claimed Kerry Fraser firmly believes it was a factor. That is an outright lie. I said every time that he believed it might have been a factor. That was what led me to think you were a troll, Mongrel

I think this might be a mix of me not being very clear and you getting a little worked up and loading for bear. That's not what I was going for at all. My problem was always that you excluded part of the quote. I've always thought of a belief and a possibility to be two separate things. I can not believe something to be true but admit that it might be possible.

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I take that as an insult. I very deliberately kept intact Fraser's meaning. He DOES believe that it MIGHT have been a factor.

Put down the double barrel Xan.

Why keep the meaning by your interpretation rather than keep in the whole quote.

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I think this might be a mix of me not being very clear and you getting a little worked up and loading for bear. That's not what I was going for at all. My problem was always that you excluded part of the quote. I've always though of a belief and a possibility to be two separate things. I can not believe something to be true but admit that it might be possible.

Fraser states that he believes Burrows injury factored in, AND quite possibly the playoff race

he literally uses the word believe

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Put down the double barrel Xan.

Why keep the meaning by your interpretation rather than keep in the whole quote.

Its called reading comprehension, you read something, find the meaning, and then you can talk about the meaning. If there is then a dispute about an interpretation, you can then refer to the actual quote, which upholds what I said about it in this case

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Is there anyone who doesn't think Toffoli should have been suspended? Other than the inept confused, and possibly corrupt Disciplinary department? I haven't heard anyone, even Kerry Fraser be contrary. Yet they refuse to answer for their decision. There is a clear double standard for the player that dared to call out a corrupt ref.

#1. Burrows hit on Emelin....No penalty on the ice. (it looked like Emelin fell down a little dramatically too)...Yet the disciplinary committee handed Burrows, with no suspension history at all, three games.

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Hits on Burrows:

2. Burrows hit by Niederreiter. Clear shot to the head. Raised his body to deliberately target the head. No suspension.

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3. Burrows hit by Toffoli. Called on the ice. Disciplinary committee ignores it...again.

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"Quoted" said, "I just can't extrapolate that to a specific anti-Cancucks conspiracy that's all."

You want to extrapolate any mention of bias into "a specific anti-Cancucks(sic) conspiracy" because it is much easier to prove that there is not "a specific anti-Cancucks(sic) conspiracy.

We mention a few (of many, over a very long period) instances of anti-Canucks bias and you climb on your high horse and extrapolate any point made into your specific definition so that you can generalize posters into your definition of conspiracy theorists for your spiteful purpose of ridiculing them.

It may not be specifically "trolling", but it sure is against the spirit of the board rules about purposefully antagonizing the Canuck fans who wish to use these forums to discuss current events in context.

Fraser's comments shed light on another instance where the Canucks have been treated unfairly and you resort to nit-picking shades of differences in meaning between believing and thinking.

Most readers of this topic have left it and, extrapolating here, it is probably because of your boring yet agravating insistence on specific definitions instead of meaningful dialogue.

Turn the arguments around, try and prove that each example given is proof that there is not "a specific anti-Cancucks(sic) conspiracy".

Or, just bugger off.

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"Quoted" said, "I just can't extrapolate that to a specific anti-Cancucks conspiracy that's all."

You want to extrapolate any mention of bias into "a specific anti-Cancucks(sic) conspiracy" because it is much easier to prove that there is not "a specific anti-Cancucks(sic) conspiracy.

We mention a few (of many, over a very long period) instances of anti-Canucks bias and you climb on your high horse and extrapolate any point made into your specific definition so that you can generalize posters into your definition of conspiracy theorists for your spiteful purpose of ridiculing them.

It may not be specifically "trolling", but it sure is against the spirit of the board rules about purposefully antagonizing the Canuck fans who wish to use these forums to discuss current events in context.

Fraser's comments shed light on another instance where the Canucks have been treated unfairly and you resort to nit-picking shades of differences in meaning between believing and thinking.

Most readers of this topic have left it and, extrapolating here, it is probably because of your boring yet agravating insistence on specific definitions instead of meaningful dialogue.

Turn the arguments around, try and prove that each example given is proof that there is not "a specific anti-Cancucks(sic) conspiracy".

Or, just (expletive deleted) off.

Seriously? Thanks for the laugh if nothing else.

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Its called reading comprehension, you read something, find the meaning, and then you can talk about the meaning. If there is then a dispute about an interpretation, you can then refer to the actual quote, which upholds what I said about it in this case

Was that really necessary?

This isn't a problem of reading comprehension and stop being so rude. It's takes your excellent ability to debate and turns it into you sounding foolish. I'm pretty sure I've been pretty respectful of you and I would ask for the same in return.

Of course it upholds because it's your interpretation. I believe his quotes proves my interpretation. We'll pretty much be stuck on that since neither of us is budging and it's a pretty minor point so might as well drop it.

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Is there anyone who doesn't think Toffoli should have been suspended? Other than the inept confused, and possibly corrupt Disciplinary department? I haven't heard anyone, even Kerry Fraser be contrary. Yet they refuse to answer for their decision. There is a clear double standard for the player that dared to call out a corrupt ref.

#1. Burrows hit on Emelin....No penalty on the ice. (it looked like Emelin fell down a little dramatically too)...Yet the disciplinary committee handed Burrows, with no suspension history at all, three games.

jffcxi1.0.gif

Hits on Burrows:

2. Burrows hit by Niederreiter. Clear shot to the head. Raised his body to deliberately target the head. No suspension.

dzh070.gif

3. Burrows hit by Toffoli. Called on the ice. Disciplinary committee ignores it...again.

FastBoilingHarrier.gif

To be fair (and I do believe it should have been subject to further discipline without question) the league didn't ignore it they simply said the in game punishment was enough.

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