Ojibwa72 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Tavrohorvat53 said: We'll see what he does. Gotta do something because what we got doesn't work (Proven by the last few years). I'm all in for the fire sale and rebuild myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 24 minutes ago, Ojibwa72 said: We'll see what he does. Gotta do something because what we got doesn't work (Proven by the last few years). I'm all in for the fire sale and rebuild myself. As long as they keep a few veterens, the Oilers shows what happens with teams who only rely on young talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just now, smokes said: As long as they keep a few veterens, the Oilers shows what happens with teams who only rely on young talent. Yes the Sedins and Hansen are the keepers imo. Even if they slow a bit would make a solid 2nd line for the young ones to model after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Long Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 18 hours ago, 5ubmarine said: You gotta wonder if his old school way of building a team will leave us being not a contender for 3-5 years. We are in a bit of a hole. i work in an industry that uses a lot of stats... the mode "advanced" the method the more scrutiny the conclusions need, and in this case I think you proved that. Henrik as a 3rd liner? Oy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 There was this one new chart that came up recently but at the moment it's down for maintenance. They were called WARRIOR Charts, "Weighted and Rigidly Regressed Individual Output Rankings" I saw it a couple of weeks ago and wanted to look more into it, as it was pretty much like a HERO chart but with a bit more stats and measured just for 1 season, so rookies would be on there as well. So you won't get the bonus of Burrows playing with the Sedins and you'll get to see the progression of Horvat and Baertschi this year vs Horvat and Kenins/Hansen last year. And Nick Bonino's (declining) play this year. Quite interesting stuff, and I've been meaning to explore all that magical unicorn advanced stats as well. Good effort though on getting all the HERO charts up for everyone! +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5ubmarine Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 5 hours ago, WTG said: Once the warrior charts are updated and back up it'll be interesting to judge this years players vs their 2013-15 years. Oh yeah BTW Hutton is a absolute god when it comes to WARRIOR charts Which is short for Weighted And Rigidly Regressed Individual Output Rankings. So that's good for his development. O that's awesome, ya I tried to look at the warrior charts last week too but looks like it's been down for a while I am sure benning uses a special way to scout players but I think this is a great way to scout out potential talent, if Player A is given 4th line icetime, and getting 3rd line primary points and possession stats. Then that just means that there might be room for development, you might want to give this guy a shot with 3rd line minutes and see if he continues to trend upward in terms of production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 people may not agree with the stats or your opinion but i thought this was a very interesting read . thanks for sharing that . the fact that jagermeister says your conclusions are utter trash is just plain rude and I imagine he wouldn't say that to your face .. this board is full of pansies who act tough on their keyboards . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 HERO charts are broken AF. Don't waste your time on those. Spend some time on Puckalytics or War-on-ice instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5ubmarine Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Lulover88 said: people may not agree with the stats or your opinion but i thought this was a very interesting read . thanks for sharing that . the fact that jagermeister says your conclusions are utter trash is just plain rude and I imagine he wouldn't say that to your face .. this board is full of pansies who act tough on their keyboards . Haha, I think when I posted this topic I didn't care about if people were on board with me but I value their opinion. If you think I am wrong then say so and have a back up of what you say. And if it's greater than what i say then i go great you da man I believe in you. But if somebody just comes out and goes your comments are trash and that's it. It just shows how much of an effort they want to put in reading and replying to the post. And that's fine with me. I want to weed out those people as well. It's not really for argument but I value the opinion and discussion both ways. I am happy if you can prove me wrong sort of speak. And I can learn something new in the process, win-win for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 21 hours ago, higgyfan said: According to the hero charts, Prust and Higgins should be still on the team. Lol, and whoever has replaced them (Etem and Virtanen?) should NOT be here. More lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTG Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 9 hours ago, Alflives said: Do we need this chart to tell us he's really good? Stats like these can really put things into perspective. For example a player may look good and have bad underlying stats. Take Sutter for example. His on ice effectiveness is very much overrated. The underlying numbers suggest that he really isn't that great of a 2 way player. He's comparable to a player like Richardson in that regard. You can use stats in anyway you want really. That's the beauty of stats. You can just disregard them and just ignore them, or you can only use stats to come to a conclusion. Or you can watch a player make remarks about a player and check if what you are seeing is reflected in the stats. For Hutton his on-ice effectiveness is that of a #3 defensemen. While the eye test would basically show us that he is a #4-5 defensmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTG Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 On 2/25/2016 at 2:43 PM, TOMapleLaughs said: The charts don't look totally useless, buuuut still pretty darn useless. It's anything but useless. It's very handy to visualize stats in a easily consumable chart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 1 minute ago, WTG said: Stats like these can really put things into perspective. For example a player may look good and have bad underlying stats. Take Sutter for example. His on ice effectiveness is very much overrated. The underlying numbers suggest that he really isn't that great of a 2 way player. He's comparable to a player like Richardson in that regard. You can use stats in anyway you want really. That's the beauty of stats. You can just disregard them and just ignore them, or you can only use stats to come to a conclusion. Or you can watch a player make remarks about a player and check if what you are seeing is reflected in the stats. For Hutton his on-ice effectiveness is that of a #3 defensemen. While the eye test would basically show us that he is a #4-5 defensmen. The eye test for this furry bottomed alien confirms Hutton is a top pair guy, and Sutter in a number 2 centre on a Cup team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTG Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: The eye test for this furry bottomed alien confirms Hutton is a top pair guy, and Sutter in a number 2 centre on a Cup team. If that is all you need to confirm your opinion that is completely fine. To each their own. But the stats tend to disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTG Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 On 2/25/2016 at 1:39 PM, higgyfan said: According to the hero charts, Prust and Higgins should be still on the team. These Hero charts are from 2013-15 where higgins was pretty productive. It doesn't include this year where he's had a terrible season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Just now, WTG said: If that is all you need to confirm your opinion that is completely fine. To each their own. But the stats tend to disagree with you. Hero charts look pretty, and any information added to analyze a player is good. The eye test should determine his affect on winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTG Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: Hero charts look pretty, and any information added to analyze a player is good. The eye test should determine his affect on winning. Eye test are very biased. Stats eliminate the bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrashNBash Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Great stats.....for baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 39 minutes ago, WTG said: Eye test are very biased. Stats eliminate the bias. 39 minutes ago, WTG said: Eye test are very biased. Stats eliminate the bias. How is the data collected that these charts are created from? Oh, human eyes, and bias. I'm not against these advanced stats. I believe they are a tool for evaluating players, but they don't supersede the eye test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTG Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: How is the data collected that these charts are created from? Oh, human eyes, and bias. I'm not against these advanced stats. I believe they are a tool for evaluating players, but they don't supersede the eye test. lol what? those charts show no bias..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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