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Posted 12 December 2011 - 10:27 PM

It's a real shame that what could have been one of the most important social movements of our time was hijacked by a bunch of ultra far left douche bags. By the time the end came at the art gallery most of the original people that organized the whole thing had moved on because they were bullied by the idiots that hijacked the thing and anyone that gave the protest any legitimacy was gone as well. I supported and still support the politics behind the movement as a whole but right since the beginning I said that maintaining legitimacy would be the most important thing and then a bunch of poser hippy douche bags sitting around banging drums and smoking weed was not the way to maintain legitimacy and low and behold that's exactly what happened with some heroin and an overdose death for good measure.

People want to say that it's an American problem or whatever but that's pretty short sighted as unfortunately US corporations have grown so large that any negative ramifications are felt world wide therefore, it's a world wide problem. Inconveniencing the lives of the general public/middle class and acting like an ass is not going to help you achieve your goal as these are the people that you need support from as they are the majority and in the beginning a majority of people polled agreed with the message of occupy but as it went on the people at these occupy sites got more and more douchey, public support dropped dramatically. Now there was a lot of misinformation put out by corporate owned media in an attempt to de-legitimize the movement but in some cases the protestors themselves were their own worst enemy.

I give occupy a AAA+ rating for idea but only a D for execution and the only reason it's a D and not an F is because if anything it did a conversation started and some policy in certain places are taking the issues raised by occupy protestors into account.

Anyone that hasn't watched this doc should give it a watch, if for nothing else just your own personal knowledge.


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Posted 22 December 2011 - 10:15 PM

OV vows to be back by springtime; what are the odds the same problems follow them around in OV 2.0? (ODs, lack of leadership, no focus to the issues, blatant disregard for the law, media censorship, etc)



We’ll be back in the spring, Occupiers warn

Stung by comments from city officials about the costs of policing a tent protest in the downtown core, Occupy Vancouver members are warning there will be more events like it come spring.

Sarah Beuhler of the Occupy Vancouver communications committee said at a press conference Thursday that many protesters have regrets about a decision to peacefully dismantle the tent encampment at the Vancouver Art Gallery.

She said the tent city provided a real focal point for the movement and there are discussions under way about a possible return to that site or another location.

“What I have heard from the Occupy Wall Street movement is that this spring is going to be an explosion of encampments and an explosion of political expression, and I believe we’ll be part of that,” she said.

“I believe the movement as a whole is taking this winter to think about this sort of thing … we’ve made our point. People are aware of us. We’ve really brought a lot of attention. We’ve changed the national conversation. What we need to do now is consolidate our processes, work together …[and] whatever is coming next, we have to be ready for it,” Ms. Beuhler said.

She said Occupy Vancouver members were outraged by comments from city staff that pegged the cost of policing and resolving the protest at nearly $1-million.

A Dec. 19 memo to council from Penny Ballem, city manager, and Sadhu Johnston, deputy manager, stated the major cost was $590,000 in overtime payments to the Vancouver Police Department.

The engineering department, which provided sanitation in the form of portable toilets and grounds cleaning, billed $345,878, largely in overtime and materials. The emergency operations centre costs were put at $15,274 and Vancouver Fire and Rescue Services incurred $16,730 in overtime and staffing costs, the memo states.

It says that Vancouver’s costs “are in-line with other North American cities dealing with the Occupy Movement,” noting that Portland, Ore., spent over $1.4-million in policing and park restoration, while Oakland, Calif., paid more than $2.4-million and New York police put in an overtime bill of over $7-million.

The memo said cost figures weren’t available yet for Toronto, Calgary and Edmonton.

But Ms. Beuhler disputed the Vancouver estimates, saying the city failed to take into account all of the services the protesters provided, such as feeding people and making medical treatment available in the tent city.

“So what that space provided was [a place] where no one had to go searching for food all the time; the medical tent was there to take care [of people and] we generated a community that allowed us to look at the issues,” she said.

Ms. Beuhler noted that the tent camp provided shelter for 80 people, about 30 of whom would have otherwise been defined as “street homeless,” thereby providing a housing service the city should have been taking care of.

She said the estimated cost per mat for emergency shelters is $83 per night, which means that over the 37 days of the Vancouver Art Gallery occupation, “the protest site provided approximately $92,130 worth of housing services.”

Ms. Beuhler said city officials had promised to help homeless protesters find places to live, but 13 still remain without homes.

The protest began in Vancouver in October and the tent camp was dismantled last month.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 07:04 PM

OV vows to be back by springtime; what are the odds the same problems follow them around in OV 2.0? (ODs, lack of leadership, no focus to the issues, blatant disregard for the law, media censorship, etc)



We'll be back in the spring, Occupiers warn

Stung by comments from city officials about the costs of policing a tent protest in the downtown core, Occupy Vancouver members are warning there will be more events like it come spring.

Sarah Beuhler of the Occupy Vancouver communications committee said at a press conference Thursday that many protesters have regrets about a decision to peacefully dismantle the tent encampment at the Vancouver Art Gallery.

She said the tent city provided a real focal point for the movement and there are discussions under way about a possible return to that site or another location.

"What I have heard from the Occupy Wall Street movement is that this spring is going to be an explosion of encampments and an explosion of political expression, and I believe we'll be part of that," she said.

"I believe the movement as a whole is taking this winter to think about this sort of thing … we've made our point. People are aware of us. We've really brought a lot of attention. We've changed the national conversation. What we need to do now is consolidate our processes, work together …[and] whatever is coming next, we have to be ready for it," Ms. Beuhler said.

She said Occupy Vancouver members were outraged by comments from city staff that pegged the cost of policing and resolving the protest at nearly $1-million.

A Dec. 19 memo to council from Penny Ballem, city manager, and Sadhu Johnston, deputy manager, stated the major cost was $590,000 in overtime payments to the Vancouver Police Department.

The engineering department, which provided sanitation in the form of portable toilets and grounds cleaning, billed $345,878, largely in overtime and materials. The emergency operations centre costs were put at $15,274 and Vancouver Fire and Rescue Services incurred $16,730 in overtime and staffing costs, the memo states.

It says that Vancouver's costs "are in-line with other North American cities dealing with the Occupy Movement," noting that Portland, Ore., spent over $1.4-million in policing and park restoration, while Oakland, Calif., paid more than $2.4-million and New York police put in an overtime bill of over $7-million.

The memo said cost figures weren't available yet for Toronto, Calgary and Edmonton.

But Ms. Beuhler disputed the Vancouver estimates, saying the city failed to take into account all of the services the protesters provided, such as feeding people and making medical treatment available in the tent city.

"So what that space provided was [a place] where no one had to go searching for food all the time; the medical tent was there to take care [of people and] we generated a community that allowed us to look at the issues," she said.

Ms. Beuhler noted that the tent camp provided shelter for 80 people, about 30 of whom would have otherwise been defined as "street homeless," thereby providing a housing service the city should have been taking care of.

She said the estimated cost per mat for emergency shelters is $83 per night, which means that over the 37 days of the Vancouver Art Gallery occupation, "the protest site provided approximately $92,130 worth of housing services."

Ms. Beuhler said city officials had promised to help homeless protesters find places to live, but 13 still remain without homes.

The protest began in Vancouver in October and the tent camp was dismantled last month.

http://www.theglobea...content=2281518


It's summer, and lookie at what happened with their prophecy.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:32 PM

It's summer, and lookie at what happened with their prophecy.

At least they tried to help. You probably voted Conservative, and think privatized healthcare is a good idea.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:41 PM

At least they tried to help. You probably voted Conservative, and think privatized healthcare is a good idea.


Why do my political views matter? ITT, we talk Occupy, not which party I voted for.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:48 PM

Why do my political views matter? ITT, we talk Occupy, not which party I voted for.

It totally matters, because most people who are liberal minded sympathize with their cause. Also conservative minded Canadians are more likely to get their news from a mainstream source, while a lot of liberal minded people get their news from independent sources. You really think CTV was unbiased in covering this?

Also for anyone who voted "Conservative" and brags about how we have healthcare, the leader of the Conservative party, Mr Harper has said he admires the privatized American healthcare system. Saying this would make you the literal term of an "idiot".

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:55 PM

Occupy Vancouver was mostly hijacked by homeless people from the DTES.

The original Occupy Wall Street was the movement which protested the ridiculous handouts to rich banks who dragged the economy to the ground and crony capitalism in general. The two movements didn't have much in common.
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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:57 PM

It totally matters, because most people who are liberal minded sympathize with their cause. Also conservative minded Canadians are more likely to get their news from a mainstream source, while a lot of liberal minded people get their news from independent sources. You really think CTV was unbiased in covering this?

Also for anyone who voted "Conservative" and brags about how we have healthcare, the leader of the Conservative party, Mr Harper has said he admires the privatized American healthcare system. Saying this would make you the literal term of an "idiot".


Why don't you go ahead and discuss the idea instead of the messenger?

edit: as I said, ITT we talk Occupy. Doing other wise is off-topic.

Edited by Common sense, 03 July 2012 - 08:58 PM.


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Posted 03 July 2012 - 08:57 PM

Occupy Vancouver was mostly hijacked by homeless people from the DTES.

The original Occupy Wall Street was the movement which protested the ridiculous handouts to rich banks who dragged the economy to the ground and crony capitalism in general. The two movements didn't have much in common.

This 1000x THIS.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 09:01 PM

Why don't you go ahead and discuss the idea instead of the messenger?

edit: as I said, ITT we talk Occupy. Doing other wise is off-topic.


It was a LIBERAL/POLITICAL movement. It has everything to do with politics. If you do not have a retort to any of what I said, that presents real facts just say so.

The fact you don't think it was a political protest, means you completely misunderstood their cause.

Edited by Kamero89, 03 July 2012 - 09:03 PM.


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Posted 03 July 2012 - 10:08 PM

It was a LIBERAL/POLITICAL movement. It has everything to do with politics. If you do not have a retort to any of what I said, that presents real facts just say so.

The fact you don't think it was a political protest, means you completely misunderstood their cause.

Common sense's original post you quoted had nothing to do with their cause, or his political beliefs. You pulled the two out of the blue.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 10:36 PM

It totally matters, because most people who are liberal minded sympathize with their cause. Also conservative minded Canadians are more likely to get their news from a mainstream source, while a lot of liberal minded people get their news from independent sources. You really think CTV was unbiased in covering this?

Also for anyone who voted "Conservative" and brags about how we have healthcare, the leader of the Conservative party, Mr Harper has said he admires the privatized American healthcare system. Saying this would make you the literal term of an "idiot".


I'm pretty liberal minded, but there is a limit. Some of the ideas brought up by the Occupy movement treaded close to full on Socialism.

Occupy Vancouver was a joke. It was just a bunch of bums looking for handouts and a place to crash for a while. I'm extremely happy we don't have to put up with that debacle again.

Edited by Jagermeister, 03 July 2012 - 10:37 PM.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 11:06 PM

Common sense's original post you quoted had nothing to do with their cause, or his political beliefs. You pulled the two out of the blue.


I was speaking more to OV's inability to regroup and to act on their prediction that there would be a spring arising (no...GGI does not count - that was spurred by Quebecois students and tuition fees).

I mentioned nothing about economy or politics.

Edited by Common sense, 03 July 2012 - 11:07 PM.





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