Stefan Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 So, since a bunch of you think this "woman" should be allowed in the contest, why shouldn't a regular looking dude be allowed to join in the competition, assuming he thinks of himself as being a woman. Hear me out here. Many women are flat chested,(like many men), and some do have short hair and sparse facial hair. Even though this guy hasn't had the surgery yet, by your logic, he should be allowed to compete in this pageant because in his mind he thinks he's actually a woman. If you say he shouldn't be allowed, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your original position. /Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 So, since a bunch of you think this "woman" should be allowed in the contest, why shouldn't a regular looking dude be allowed to join in the competition, assuming he thinks of himself as being a woman. Hear me out here. Many women are flat chested,(like many men), and some do have short hair and sparse facial hair. Even though this guy hasn't had the surgery yet, by your logic, he should be allowed to compete in this pageant because in his mind he thinks he's actually a woman. If you say he shouldn't be allowed, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your original position. /Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 So, since a bunch of you think this "woman" should be allowed in the contest, why shouldn't a regular looking dude be allowed to join in the competition, assuming he thinks of himself as being a woman. Hear me out here. Many women are flat chested,(like many men), and some do have short hair and sparse facial hair. Even though this guy hasn't had the surgery yet, by your logic, he should be allowed to compete in this pageant because in his mind he thinks he's actually a woman. If you say he shouldn't be allowed, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your original position. /Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 oooohhhh man . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I understand where you're coming from but... seeing as this is a BEAUTY PAGEANT in which the most BEAUTIFUL LOOKING GIRL would win, a male lookalike-whoThinksHe'saGirl-ButStillLooksLikeAGuy doesn't stand a chance and frankly, would waste everyones time. He shouldn't even apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostViking Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 First off, I think the issue with the pageant is she lied on her application, automatic disqualification, simple as that. Anyone who makes the pageant DQ a transgender issue is making something out of nothing. Then the thread gets interesting (would could see that coming?), apparently we don't have to inform our lovers what gender we are anymore, I think that's bull. Relationships are about honesty, communication, and trust. People who think it is perfectly fine to lie to their partners and use the excuse that it wouldn't impact their life anyways are a great example of terrible human beings. In theory, we could argue that a cheating man telling his wife would be the same situation, the only reason she would be upset would be because of her preconceived belief that a partner sleeping with someone else is undesirable. There really isn't any physically harm done, and there would only be psychological harm because the wife holds a certain belief, and for no other reason, so she could be boiled down to a bigot against cheaters and nothing more. At this point it is easy to whisk this away, cheaters actually are bad, while there isn't anything wrong with being transgender. This is the exact problem, it is easy to take this line of thinking because we have no problem labeling a cheater as being wrong, but when we start to think about why is becomes muddy. Why is cheating bad? I certainly think it is, it causes a lot of grief, but if I think about it admittedly it only causes harm because people decided it was bad, if we decided it was okay, there wouldn't be any grief, and there would be no harm done. A faithful partner is only a good thing because we have decided unilaterally that it is. Now I am fine living under this mantra, I will just continue to assume cheating is bad just 'cause, but now I must admit that others who holds similar views (screwing a dude is gross just 'cause) maybe aren't as crazy as I think they are. If I take time to evaluate myself, I can fully understand why they feel this way. You can use incest as another example, if you were to find out that the person you were sleeping with for the past year happens to be your brother, it may be hard to just brush that off as no big deal. Technically it doesn't do you any harm (assuming no pregnancy), and in theory if you feel icky about it then I guess you are a bigot, but that would be the natural human response for many people. While it is biased in some way, I still think we can socially accept the notion that nailing your family members is undesirable if you choose that you don't feel comfortable with it. Personally, I believe in someone's right to have sex with who they choose, if someone is gay, let them be gay, but that means if someone is straight, let them be straight. If someone does not desire relations with a transgender, that is no different than the gay guy who does not desire relations with women. We have probably all heard of many instances where the parents of a gay child will attempt to decide their sexuality for the them, I think this is wrong. In a similar fashion, I don't think a transgender has the right to simply decide I want to sleep with transgenders, without consulting me first. Don't put anyone in a special category, we must promote equality, if transgenders, men, women are all equal then someone has the same right to not want to love/date/sleep with one group as they do the others. I get that these people are under fire publicly, and people want to be all protective, but you simply cannot promote the idea of dishonesty in relationships and think that you are being moral, there is no excuse for that. On top of that, you simply cannot promote the idea of equality under this philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dKs89 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 So, since a bunch of you think this "woman" should be allowed in the contest, why shouldn't a regular looking dude be allowed to join in the competition, assuming he thinks of himself as being a woman. Hear me out here. Many women are flat chested,(like many men), and some do have short hair and sparse facial hair. Even though this guy hasn't had the surgery yet, by your logic, he should be allowed to compete in this pageant because in his mind he thinks he's actually a woman. If you say he shouldn't be allowed, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your original position. /Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super19 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 What about her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoiceOfReason_ Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 She smiles 2 much 2 represent the women of Vancouver. Disqualify her for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey!? Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 So, since a bunch of you think this "woman" should be allowed in the contest, why shouldn't a regular looking dude be allowed to join in the competition, assuming he thinks of himself as being a woman. Hear me out here. Many women are flat chested,(like many men), and some do have short hair and sparse facial hair. Even though this guy hasn't had the surgery yet, by your logic, he should be allowed to compete in this pageant because in his mind he thinks he's actually a woman. If you say he shouldn't be allowed, then perhaps you should re-evaluate your original position. /Thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 What about her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhinogator Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 well what else are you gonna do? These people scare me, just the fact that you would want to change gender, then go through with it.. These surgerys should be illegal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 How many of you guys defending her here would hit the sack with her? Be honest. I have nothing against people wanting to live life as a woman, but ex-males should be upfront and honest about their true biological forms to any potential sex partners or beauty contests. People's rights go both ways (the right to live as a woman AND the right to informed consent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 What about her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Oh yes, the bleeding heart liberals are alive and well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 I'd consider that cheating, and if the rules say it's not allowed, then what can you do, people cant expect to get special treatment and support because of this. Edit: I also think you should not be allowed any plastic surgery in beauty competitions, nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephanie tanner Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 He has a Y chromosome and will always be a "he". There is no surgery to fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Goose- Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 He has a Y chromosome and will always be a "he". There is no surgery to fix that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Common sense Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Did you make that image yourself? Come on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buggernut Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 This. No amount of surgeries and hormones will change this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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