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Should The Canucks Have Traded For Mike Richards? Did We Miss Out?


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#1 MikeGillis58

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 03:05 AM

The Los Angeles Kings got Mike Richards for Wayne Simmons, Brayden Schenn, and a 2nd Round Draft Pick. I'm sure the Canucks could have offered an equal package of Mason Raymond, Cody Hodgson, and our 1st Round Pick to the Philadelphia Flyers.

Imagine this as the Canucks line up heading into the 2011/12 playoffs.

Daniel Sedin - Henrik Sedin - Alex Burrows
David Booth - Mike Richards - Ryan Kesler
Chris Higgins - Samuel Pahlsson - Jannik Hansen
Manny Malhotra - Maxim Lapierre - Dale Weise

Dan Hamhuis - Kevin Bieksa
Alex Edler - Sami Salo
Keith Ballard - Chris Tanev

Roberto Luongo
Cody Schneider

Ryan Kesler could have moved to the wing and focus only on scoring, while the Kings could have been much weaker without Mike Richards on their team.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 03:21 AM

Richards cap hit is $5.75m. How did we manage to fit that in by losing Raymonds $2.55m and Hodgsons $1.66m ($4.21m total)

on top of which, he earns $8.4m next year..........

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It's not 7.5 per year, Kesler's at 5 million and Malhotra's at 2.5 million

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 03:39 AM

It drives me nuts when people suggest we put Kesler on the wing. It is like suggesting people put Toews or Datsyuk on the wings, "because they can then focus only on scoring". These are not 1-dimensional guys. Rather, they're the most reliable defensive players in the league, and they're all really good at taking faceoffs. MG58, it's not personal, but you armchair GM all the time so I don't know why you'd suggest this. It's madness to take one of the league's best defensive centres (last year's top guy, mind you) out of his natural position. Simply put, it is NOT worth the extra 10 goals and 10 assists he'll get.

In relation to your proposal, it's crazy to put the less reliable centre there. Unless he's improved, he's never had a very good f/o%, and I don't think he's gotten a single Selke nomination. It made sense for Cody Hodgson to replace Malhotra's role. It makes absolutely no sense for Richards to replace Kesler's role. I think you are underestimating his defensive capabilities and the value that brings to the team's success.

The proposal itself seems sound, but I think you need to factor in Richard's colossal contract. That was a serious risk that LA took, one that Gillis has stated he doesn't want to go for.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 04:04 AM

Richards isn't exactly much less reliable than Kesler. it's Kesler's fault people want him on the wing, because all he did this season was shoot the puck. Ideally, you want a passer who uses his wingers as the center. Even then, this would not be a big issue because Mike Richards can play on the wing even if Kesler can't. It's really a non issue.

Now, the problem with the trade would be that the Canuck's do not have Wayne Simmonds. Every team would die to have a guy like him. He's not the fastest or most skilled guy, but he flashes character like no other. Always involved, and always working his butt off and is only 23. The guy, statistically had a better season than Richards. Add the fact that Hodgson was coming off a back surgery, there simply isn't equal value. So, that alone, should end the discussion.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 04:42 AM

I agree, except Richards is one of the few guys (Datsyuk, Staal (you pick which one) ?) who is a better two way centre than Kesler...

The cap would have been the killer though, not practical.

However, what drives me nuts is the concept that its beyond comprehension to have his offensive role relegated... Staal for the Penguins picks up the #1 defensive match up 100% of the time from the 3rd line... And he plays a ton of minutes...

It drives me nuts when people suggest we put Kesler on the wing. It is like suggesting people put Toews or Datsyuk on the wings, "because they can then focus only on scoring". These are not 1-dimensional guys. Rather, they're the most reliable defensive players in the league, and they're all really good at taking faceoffs. MG58, it's not personal, but you armchair GM all the time so I don't know why you'd suggest this. It's madness to take one of the league's best defensive centres (last year's top guy, mind you) out of his natural position. Simply put, it is NOT worth the extra 10 goals and 10 assists he'll get.

In relation to your proposal, it's crazy to put the less reliable centre there. Unless he's improved, he's never had a very good f/o%, and I don't think he's gotten a single Selke nomination. It made sense for Cody Hodgson to replace Malhotra's role. It makes absolutely no sense for Richards to replace Kesler's role. I think you are underestimating his defensive capabilities and the value that brings to the team's success.

The proposal itself seems sound, but I think you need to factor in Richard's colossal contract. That was a serious risk that LA took, one that Gillis has stated he doesn't want to go for.



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Posted 04 May 2012 - 06:34 AM

Well, if we did miss out there isn't much that can be done about it now and we are really screwed, no?

Actually, we should also discuss if we missed out on the whole Coho trade, since no one brought it up yet.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 06:37 AM

I dont think M Richards and kesler like eachother. We need to trade for a playmaking winger with speed...... yakupov for schneider

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 06:59 AM

It drives me nuts when people suggest we put Kesler on the wing. It is like suggesting people put Toews or Datsyuk on the wings, "because they can then focus only on scoring". These are not 1-dimensional guys. Rather, they're the most reliable defensive players in the league, and they're all really good at taking faceoffs. MG58, it's not personal, but you armchair GM all the time so I don't know why you'd suggest this. It's madness to take one of the league's best defensive centres (last year's top guy, mind you) out of his natural position. Simply put, it is NOT worth the extra 10 goals and 10 assists he'll get.

In relation to your proposal, it's crazy to put the less reliable centre there. Unless he's improved, he's never had a very good f/o%, and I don't think he's gotten a single Selke nomination. It made sense for Cody Hodgson to replace Malhotra's role. It makes absolutely no sense for Richards to replace Kesler's role. I think you are underestimating his defensive capabilities and the value that brings to the team's success.

The proposal itself seems sound, but I think you need to factor in Richard's colossal contract. That was a serious risk that LA took, one that Gillis has stated he doesn't want to go for.


It's not like we replace Kesler at the centre by a nobody. Richards is also good defensively. Seguin, Carter, Briere, Schenn, Couturier, Giroux, all natural centerman that has played on the wing. And yet it worked for both the Flyers and the Bruins.

And for the record when Datsyuk is paired with Zetterberg, it's Zetterberg who takes the faceoff and center position.


Why are we so afraid of moving Kesler to the wing? We we're afraid to split burrows and Kesler. We we're afraid of putting Kesler and Burrows in the top 6. Look how those experiment turned out. I'm nut saying put Andrew Ebbet in the center of Kesler, but someone like Richards, it would be worth it.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 07:06 AM

Stopped reading at 'Mason Raymond'.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 07:15 AM

It drives me nuts when people suggest we put Kesler on the wing. It is like suggesting people put Toews or Datsyuk on the wings, "because they can then focus only on scoring". These are not 1-dimensional guys. Rather, they're the most reliable defensive players in the league, and they're all really good at taking faceoffs. MG58, it's not personal, but you armchair GM all the time so I don't know why you'd suggest this. It's madness to take one of the league's best defensive centres (last year's top guy, mind you) out of his natural position. Simply put, it is NOT worth the extra 10 goals and 10 assists he'll get.

In relation to your proposal, it's crazy to put the less reliable centre there. Unless he's improved, he's never had a very good f/o%, and I don't think he's gotten a single Selke nomination. It made sense for Cody Hodgson to replace Malhotra's role. It makes absolutely no sense for Richards to replace Kesler's role. I think you are underestimating his defensive capabilities and the value that brings to the team's success.

The proposal itself seems sound, but I think you need to factor in Richard's colossal contract. That was a serious risk that LA took, one that Gillis has stated he doesn't want to go for.


Datsyuk and toews are completely different players, and excellent passers themselves. Its difficult having a center who does not pass, and its a problem. Kesler even last year did it all himself, this year it did not work, he couldnt one man his way through the defense and bury goals. If he starts passing more, or using his line mates those suggestions will dissipate. If not, and it does not suit his style, he should be moved to wing.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 07:54 AM

mike richards for mason raymond, cody hodgson, andrew alberts

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:08 AM

I wonder if Kesler works on his passing this summer if he's not doing his normal rehab offseason.that is. When he worked on his shot a few offseasons ago it became 5 times better.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:22 AM

You're Mike GillIs, you tell us...

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:47 AM

Man, maybe we should just trade for every guy who scores a goal. Richards had a brutal regular season, but now that he's scored a couple in the playoffs suddenly he would be the saviour of our team? Ridiculous.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:48 AM

ahh the age old classic tale of "what if" helping people not solve problems since day 1.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:49 AM

I wonder if Kesler works on his passing this summer if he's not doing his normal rehab offseason.that is. When he worked on his shot a few offseasons ago it became 5 times better.


Don't you realize that his problem isn't that he CAN'T pass, it's that he WON'T? What he needs to work on is his head.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:01 AM

Kesler's ego has gotten to big to pass the puck. Let alone bringing in a player to usurp is 2nd line centre spot.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:14 AM

$6,600,000 for 18-26-44. I don't think fans here would have been happy with that.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:29 AM

No thank you!!!
His contracts is for another 40 years.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:49 AM

I could make 15 of these could of should of threads



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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:02 AM

I can't believe nobody's said it yet......
Mason Raymond had a broken back at the time. Simmons didn't, how would we equal that trade?
So no we didn't miss out.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:17 AM

How are those players anywhere close to being the same value?
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:36 AM

If we missed out on anyone, it's Brown.

But as others have said. We could make dozens of these threads...

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 11:01 AM

Richards? No thanx we don't need racists on our team.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 11:42 AM

For most of the regular season,Richards was a non factor....a big underachiever compared to the impact that Schenn and Simmonds had for the Flyers.......Although now,the trade looks very good for both teams.

Holmgren would have wanted a lot more than Raymond,Coho and a low 1st.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 11:45 AM

No, we don't need party animals with a bad attitude on the team. (I know it was never actually proven, but it seems like it's true)

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 11:53 AM

Could have, should have, doesn't matter now

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 11:54 AM

"I could make 15 of these could of should of threads"

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'could of'? 'should of'? What's that supposed to mean?

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:02 PM

means just as it reads, Could have traded for him, maybe should have, doesn't matter now.
We will have more opportunity to get better players if Luo waives his NTC, or if MG trades Raymond, The mike Richards thing is a dead horse.

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Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:14 PM

You're SURE they'd take Raymond + Hodgson + a low 1st?
YOU'RE SERIOUSLY SURE?
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