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  1. Will there be anything left after that?
  2. Arizona signing PTOs with the only purpose of filling their 5,000 seats arena at least once during the year.
  3. Ffs you're arguing for the sake of arguing. To use your word "ITS AN OPTION", meaning there is a choice to be made. Guarantee = no choice. Team option meaning the team has all the leverage and Player option meaning the player has the leverage. But there is still a choice to be made. Yes there are buyout fees: "The release left the Blue Jays on the hook for the remaining $38-million on Tulowitzki’s contract: $20-million in 2019, $14-million in 2020, and a $4-million buyout on his 2021 team option." "Kevin Kiermaier, OF, Rays $13 million club option ($2.5 million buyout) Kiermaier remains a stellar defender in center field, but the Rays are unlikely to pay this price for a 32-year-old who has played more than 129 games in a season only once in his career (2015) and owns an 88 OPS+ since the beginning of 2018. (UPDATE: OPTION DECLINED) Evan Longoria, 3B, Giants $13 million club option ($5 million buyout) Longoria still had five years left on his six-year, $100 million contract when the Rays traded him to the Giants after the 2017 season. He ended up recording a 103 OPS+ with 6.9 WAR in 477 games for San Francisco over the past five seasons. (UPDATE: OPTION DECLINED) Wil Myers, OF, Padres $20 million club option ($1 million buyout) San Diego signed Myers to a six-year, $83 million contract extension after he made the 2016 NL All-Star team and finished that season with 28 homers, 28 steals and 3.5 WAR. The right-handed slugger had a 112 OPS+ with 7.6 WAR during the lifespan of the deal. (UPDATE: OPTION DECLINED)" You're right about one thing though....it'll never happen in the NBA, because IT ALREADY EXIST!!! https://www.spotrac.com/news/projecting-2022-nba-non-guaranteed-contracts-1508/
  4. So your reasoning is : - The only sports with non-guaranteed contract is the NFL, because it's a contact sports and lots of injury. - But if hockey introduces it, then it will become a non-contact sports and players will stop playing hard. That make sense... https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/breakdowns/guaranteed-money-structure/ Most NFL player contracts are fully guaranteed, but if not fully guaranteed, then guaranteed for injury only, meaning if a player is cut for skill or cap reasons they will not receive this money; they would only receive the money if they suffered a football related injury and could not play and/or were cut. There is a bunch a rules regarding non-guaranteed contract. Can't just cut a player any day and void the deal. Most are fully guaranteed if not a good chunk is, can't just cut a player after 1 year and not pay him. Some contract have deadlines when teams need to make a decision if they want to get out now or fully guarantee the contract until the end. BTW, team options (and to an an extent, players options too) are type of non-guaranteed contracts and most league has them. While there are small buyout fees to not exercise team option, the amount are usually insignificant. Plus, if you introduce a significant change like non-guaranteed contract (whatever form) they will need to be tailored to the NHL reality and not just copy the NFL. Of course there are going to be special provisions (accounting and legal babble way above my paygrade) to deal with the salary cap accounting, you can't keep current model and introduce something like that. But I didn't think I needed to explain that, it was not the purpose of my proposal.
  5. Agree in theory, but in practice someone became President of the USA with a similar strategy. They'll still be people to listen to these stories and they've probably gained a ton of visibility. I don't condone it, but unfortunately the world we live in.
  6. FYI, already discrimination based on age since contracts for 35+ are treated differently, but pointless to argue with a know-it-all anyways. All I suggested what to change the terms limits, something that already exist in the current CBA and something the NHL actually proposed during the last lockout, or non-guaranteed contract something that exists in other sports, you know… facts. All You’ve brought to the discussion what a bunch a random, non-sense, hypothetical numbers and doomsday scenario, that is only related to the Canucks point of view. Guess what there are 31 others teams in the NHL. I wasn’t suggesting from a Canucks point of view but league wide. So You can keep spending on your “balanced” team, your buyouts and trade pick to get rid of bad contracts, worked wonders the last 10 years for us… huh wait.
  7. Great choice! Would have been a good choice with Petey as well, but I think it will be a blessing in disguise for him, not having that burden. Even if it might sting a little bit at first for him, I'm sure it won't last long and he can now focus on filling the net.
  8. Of course players will be asking for something as well in exchange: lower escrow, higher minimum or maximum wage, etc. But in the end there is 83.5M$ being divided by +/- 23 players X 32 teams. That's the total available money for players, whichever way you bend the rules. But I'd rather put 1-2M$ more in EP or QH's pocket than dragging out OEL or LE's for 2, 4, 6 years longer than it should. Anyways,I never suggested 4 year deals. I said the NHL proposed that, knowing they wouldn't get it, but still put a max term number. My proposal was 8, 6 and 4 years depending on the player age.
  9. Bettman wasted a season to introduce salary cap and then wasted 1/2 season to introduce 8 years max term (7 on new deals). He'll do it again if he thinks that's what best for the NHL and players will eventually cave. Franchise value also skyrocketed since, so can't say it hurt them much to sacrifice one season. In 2012/13 the NHL started negotiations with 4 years terms on new contracts. Introducing a max term was a major win for the NHL. Now that it's introduced, its not so far-fetch to think they'll start chipping away at these max term bit by bit. Honestly with a salary cap, guaranteed money/contracts for undeserving players just means less available money for the one that actually deserve it. We are already seeing it through free agency where teams are much more prudent than they were 10 years ago.
  10. Except most players on this list wasn't their second deal. I think next CBA, NHL will probably try to introduce non-guaranteed contracts or lower the term limit from 8 years to 5 or 6. Personally, I'd go something like ­­<25 - max 8 years term <30 - max 6 years term >=30 - max 4 years term
  11. Again, originally I wasn't comparing contract, I was comparing players. As a player, EP is in a tier with Hughes, Barzal and Aho, whereas Matthews is with McDavid, Draitsail, MacK. We all know Hughes signed a bargain deal when the cap was flat. That deal was signed in 2021, with a flat cap, 2 underwhelmed season and a lot of revenue uncertainties for the NHL. Fast forward two years and take away those uncertainties and a rising salary cap, that contract easily worth 10M$ nowadays. That's what I meant when I said you could use Hughes as a comparable when factoring these elements. Personally EP'S range is 10.5-11.5M$. That's a good deal for both party. Under 10.5 is awesome for the Canucks and above 11.5M$ is awesome for EP imo.
  12. Whatever, I'm not suggesting we pay EP 8M$, i know that's ridiculous. My original point what to say that EP cannot use Matthews as a comparable.
  13. I'm not comparing deals, I'm comparing players. EP is in a tier with those guys, not with McDavid, MacK, Matthews or Draitsail. You can still use Hughes deal at 8M signed in 2021 and factor in inflation, flat cap, covid, etc to make a comparable deal for EP.
  14. Why? Matthews has been over PPG his whole career (except rookie season). He's a perennial 40G scorer and even posted a 60. Mackinnon is at 12 and proved a lot more as well. I love EP, but would why should he be paid anything close to these guys? If you want to look at comparable, Barzal, Aho, J. Hughes are better comparable.
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