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#10 Retired or Ring of Honour?

  1. #10 Retired (169 votes [57.68%])

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  2. Ring of Honour (106 votes [36.18%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.18%

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#61 aca11

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 04:48 PM

No. He wanted out of Vancouver so badly! He does not belong here.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 04:50 PM

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No. He wanted out of Vancouver so badly! He does not belong here.


You need to educate yourself as to what ACTUALLY went on, you do. :picard:
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 04:53 PM

Should be in the ROH but he won't be. And I don't think #10 should be retired.

Pavel Bure will always be remembered as a Canuck but I just don't think the team is interested in any sort of association with him at all. Minutes after the HHOF inductions were announced, the Florida Panthers send out a series of congratulatory tweets to Pavel:

Florida Panthers@FlaPanthers


No comment yet from the Canucks


makes you real proud to be a canuck fan don't it????

absolutely pathetic.

when we heard at work today. everybody was high fiving. so stoked it finally happened.
then come home and read this crap. this organization needs to do some soul searching.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 04:55 PM

But I guess Bure deseves to be in the hall of fame of the greatest hockey players...The guy is going into the freakin HOCKEY HALL OF FAME!! Unlike Linden and Smyl, Bure will be the first Canucks in the hall and his number doesn't deserve to be retired?! wow


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Posted 26 June 2012 - 04:58 PM

Hahaha! Lighten up! Trying to throw some humor out there...

Me too.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:00 PM

Hockey Hall of Fame, and Ring of honour definetly..Bure was one of the most if not the most prolific scorer when healthy for almost a decade. For him to be in the hall of fame is right decision. But jersery retirement? Thats a different story

We all know how Bure is the most exciting Canuck to ever lace up a pair of skates, we all get that...but jersey retirement is much MUCH more than just pure statistics. Jersey retirement isn't just on ice achievements, but off the ice contributions like community service, stuff like that, basically his duty as not a player, but a citizen and an employee of the organization. Bure had 10X the talent of Trevor Linden, but Lindens jersey is up there is a perfect example because he embodies what the Canucks are all about. Put it this way, Bure was here during the Olympics and didn't even make himself available to the media, kept it low key, and pretty much put his hockey accolades behind him, does that really sound like a guy that deserves this organizations HIGHEST honor? Markus Naslund cared about this team deeply and this city, can you really say the same about Pavel? Nope.

Hockey Hall of Fame is a celebration of a players career, Jersey retirement celebrates the player AND the person. Pavel only played 7 seasons with the Canucks, including injuries, he shouldn't even BE in the conversation for his jersey being retired...Naslund, Smyl, Linden all had 10 or more seasons wearing a Canuck uniform.

And the comparison's to Patrick Roy? Roy's exit from the Canadiens was just as tumultuous as Pavels, but guess what? Patrick Roy also singlehandedly carried them to 2 stanley cup wins, so in way, Hab fans owe a great deal to him. Pavel Bure has no stanley cups to speak of. Bure was one of the best players of his era, make no mistake about it. Patrick Roy is one of the best players in his respective position ALL TIME in the history of the National Hockey League. Big difference
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:12 PM

Yes retire his number for his hockey talent and how electric he was on the ice.

None of the above for what he did off the ice. He wanted out and wanted to play on an American team. He changed his number to 96 in order to commemorate the fact that it was in 96 that he became an American citizen, even though he was in Canada.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:16 PM

Stuff like this bugs me and finally gives me an opportunity to chime in.

Bure deserves the highest honour by this organization.

He was well loved by everyone until he got alienated by first the organization (former management) and then by the fans who had turned against him because both the Canucks and media labelled him wrongly. It's one guy against all of them. If anyone of you were him, you would do the same.

Even today, years after the incident and his retirement, he gets snubbed by the organization again. Took hours before the news even went onto the main page of the site and as what? ... A one liner on the side-bar shared with Mats who played on the Canucks for 30 games. Unless you even looked there, you won't realize it was such a big news.

And about a few hours later, he finally gets onto the main banner but still second to Arniel getting hired. LOL what a joke?!



A lot of you guys really forgot what he did for the franchise and that is keeping it here in Vancouver. Guarantee you, if he didn't come here when he did, the Jets won't be the only Canadian team relocating in '90s. Bure brought the city to life and Vancouver hockey to where it should be. A lot of things won't happen without him.


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Posted 26 June 2012 - 05:22 PM

It sure would look embarassing if he decided to go into the HHOF as a Panther.

I've thought that it was embarassing that we don't already have his number retired. Ask anyone who the most talented player in Canucks history is - and some people want to criticize him for things that they don't even know the real story about. I'm not saying I know what the truth is. I think he didn't like being a big fish in a small pond and wanted to experience what it felt like to be a star in a major US market. How he achieved this is debatable. What isn't debatable is that he was the best HOCKEY player we've ever had. Linden, Naslund, and Smyl were captains but not everybody can be a captain and answer phones at Canuck Place and play yahtzee with the sick kids and help the old ladies cross the street. Its time for the fan's to be able to celebrate his greatness after all these years and for the organization to put on some chapstick and start kissing Bure's rear end.

Again, this would just add to our negative reputation around the league and would be a gigantic punch in the crotch if Bure decided to go in as a Panther
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 07:11 PM

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Love how the $20 million dollar Mats Sundin shares the HHOF inductee news release/feature with Pavel on the Canucks home page.

Gillis shovels $20 million at Mats,he plays half a season,comes in out of shape but shares the spotlight with Pavel on Pavel's biggest hockey day.

Classy move,Canucks.

Go to the Canucks 'All Time Players' regarding Pavel-no news,no notes,no features,no bio,no photo,no nothing.Squat.
http://canucks.nhl.c....htm?id=8455738

Go to the Canucks 'All Time Players' regarding Mats -two pictures for his 9 goals in a Canucks uniform.
The Canucks list his playoff accomplishments as a Canuck and there are twenty-seven(27) videos and fifteen (15)'features' on the legendary Canuck,Mats Sundin:
http://canucks.nhl.c....htm?id=8451774

Pavel:

Four time Vancouver Canuck Molson Cup winner
Three time Vancouver Canuck MVP-Cyclone Taylor winner
Four time Vancouver Canuck leading scorer-Cyrus H. McLean winner
Five time Vancouver Canuck 'Most Exciting Player' winner


Most points record as a Canucks rookie
Calder Memorial Trophy (1992)
NHL First All-Star Team (1994)
Best Forward at Olympic Games (1998)
NHL Second All-Star Team (2000, 2001)
Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy (2000, 2001)
Played in NHL All-Star Game (1993, 1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001)

Pavel should be honored in statue form on the grounds of Rogers,for saving the franchise and keeping the Canucks in Vancouver.
Nothing else would entice Pavel back here and the honor is fitting,while not sticking it to the corporate suits that have left Pavel without honor or distinction,despite saving their corporate bacon.
Although he may not come to unveil the statue,the Canucks org will have honored him and the fans will accept that past performance may not be indicative of what we can expect going forward.
The Canucks organisation have LONG held this position against Pavel ,disaffecting their best player ever and their fans long enough.
If the corporate suit attitude and denial transforms one day and they begin actually honoring fans and their most beloved players over their troglodytic mindset,perhaps the big drought will end,as well.

Edited by nuck nit, 26 June 2012 - 09:42 PM.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 07:22 PM

Pavel Bure: Probably better than you.


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Posted 26 June 2012 - 07:50 PM

#10 should be in the rafters. I have always said this and Pavel's induction to HHOF makes the Canucks look silly.

It is high time bridges were built and Pavel brought back into the fold.

Perhaps one day we will have a player who is more exciting to watch and has better talent than Bure....but I doubt it.

When this was brought up before, I had the thought that Canucks would not win a Stanley Cup, til they retired Pavels #10. They need to show some class and recognize how lucky we were to have had him play in Vancouver. They should retire the #10 and make a big deal about it. Maybe though he will tell them its too late. I don't blame him if he does.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:43 PM

ROH, sorry. Everything that happened, he shouldn't be retired. Naslund, Linden and Smyl were all Canuck legends and will always be; Bure can be thought of in other teams IMO.

This helps Sedins get in though.

Edited by thehamburglar, 26 June 2012 - 08:50 PM.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 08:50 PM

Management seems to have a preference for "cement hands" in the rafters. :bigblush: ...well maybe not naslund.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 09:49 PM

Hockey Hall of Fame, and Ring of honour definetly..Bure was one of the most if not the most prolific scorer when healthy for almost a decade. For him to be in the hall of fame is right decision. But jersery retirement? Thats a different story

We all know how Bure is the most exciting Canuck to ever lace up a pair of skates, we all get that...but jersey retirement is much MUCH more than just pure statistics. Jersey retirement isn't just on ice achievements, but off the ice contributions like community service, stuff like that, basically his duty as not a player, but a citizen and an employee of the organization. Bure had 10X the talent of Trevor Linden, but Lindens jersey is up there is a perfect example because he embodies what the Canucks are all about. Put it this way, Bure was here during the Olympics and didn't even make himself available to the media, kept it low key, and pretty much put his hockey accolades behind him, does that really sound like a guy that deserves this organizations HIGHEST honor? Markus Naslund cared about this team deeply and this city, can you really say the same about Pavel? Nope.

Hockey Hall of Fame is a celebration of a players career, Jersey retirement celebrates the player AND the person. Pavel only played 7 seasons with the Canucks, including injuries, he shouldn't even BE in the conversation for his jersey being retired...Naslund, Smyl, Linden all had 10 or more seasons wearing a Canuck uniform.

And the comparison's to Patrick Roy? Roy's exit from the Canadiens was just as tumultuous as Pavels, but guess what? Patrick Roy also singlehandedly carried them to 2 stanley cup wins, so in way, Hab fans owe a great deal to him. Pavel Bure has no stanley cups to speak of. Bure was one of the best players of his era, make no mistake about it. Patrick Roy is one of the best players in his respective position ALL TIME in the history of the National Hockey League. Big difference


Pat Quinn also talked about how Vancouver may have been moved before Pavel Bure the attendance was terrible he may of saved this franchise in those 7 years.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:14 PM

Ring of honor not retired.


ROH is a slap in the face for Bure...#10 should definitely be retired, he was better then all 3 of guys up in the rafters right now
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:16 PM

Love how the $20 million dollar Mats Sundin shares the HHOF inductee news release/feature with Pavel on the Canucks home page.

Gillis shovels $20 million at Mats,he plays half a season,comes in out of shape but shares the spotlight with Pavel on Pavel's biggest hockey day.

Classy move,Canucks.

Go to the Canucks 'All Time Players' regarding Pavel-no news,no notes,no features,no bio,no photo,no nothing.Squat.
http://canucks.nhl.c....htm?id=8455738

Go to the Canucks 'All Time Players' regarding Mats -two pictures for his 9 goals in a Canucks uniform.
The Canucks list his playoff accomplishments as a Canuck and there are twenty-seven(27) videos and fifteen (15)'features' on the legendary Canuck,Mats Sundin:
http://canucks.nhl.c....htm?id=8451774

Pavel:

Four time Vancouver Canuck Molson Cup winner
Three time Vancouver Canuck MVP-Cyclone Taylor winner
Four time Vancouver Canuck leading scorer-Cyrus H. McLean winner
Five time Vancouver Canuck 'Most Exciting Player' winner


Most points record as a Canucks rookie
Calder Memorial Trophy (1992)
NHL First All-Star Team (1994)
Best Forward at Olympic Games (1998)
NHL Second All-Star Team (2000, 2001)
Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy (2000, 2001)
Played in NHL All-Star Game (1993, 1994, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001)

Pavel should be honored in statue form on the grounds of Rogers,for saving the franchise and keeping the Canucks in Vancouver.
Nothing else would entice Pavel back here and the honor is fitting,while not sticking it to the corporate suits that have left Pavel without honor or distinction,despite saving their corporate bacon.
Although he may not come to unveil the statue,the Canucks org will have honored him and the fans will accept that past performance may not be indicative of what we can expect going forward.
The Canucks organisation have LONG held this position against Pavel ,disaffecting their best player ever and their fans long enough.
If the corporate suit attitude and denial transforms one day and they begin actually honoring fans and their most beloved players over their troglodytic mindset,perhaps the big drought will end,as well.


well put! couldn't agree more
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:18 PM

Pavel Bure was the most talented and electrifying hockey player to play for the Canucks ever. I have been a fan since 1969 when I heard that Vancouver was finally getting an NHL team. No other player has ever had higher expectations and produced beyond them consistently. He is my favorite Canuck ever.
His leaving Vancouver was due to his mistreatment by the Canucks ownership and management.

Edited by pomorick, 26 June 2012 - 10:19 PM.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:27 PM

Pretty friggin ridiculous he isn't at the very least in the ROH with us. I don't care what the ???? issue is, its ridiculous the lack of respect for the most exciting and talented player in Canucks history bar none. I don;t even get it, none of this current front office was even around back during this apparent time period.

Bure is the greatest Canuck of all time in my mind.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:47 PM

I hope the doctors are able to extract your head from where it currently resides.

Bure as a Canuck in comparison to Messier as a Canuck are two completely different animals.


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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:49 PM

Isnt he the only Canuck in the hall of fame? Makes sense to put him in the rafters
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:49 PM

retire his jersey, he would be thrilled and so would canuck fans.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 10:56 PM

number 10 most definitely should not be retired, but id consider the ring of honor
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 11:50 PM

Pat Quinn also talked about how Vancouver may have been moved before Pavel Bure the attendance was terrible he may of saved this franchise in those 7 years.


Attendance was terrible because the team was awful.The team started to turn the ship when Blues-Canucks trade happend with Ronning, Courtnall, Momesso coming this way..which made the team competitive, not to mention a maturing core of Linden, McLean, Lumme, that traded BEFORE Pavel. Pavel was the icing on the cake which turned the team from being competitive into a threat...but to say he SAVED the Canucks. I don't think so.

I can tell most of the people in this thread barely EVEN watched Bure play live since he arrived in this league seeing that people keep mistaking the number that made him known (10) from # 96, referring to youtube blah blah, bringing up all that stats, trust me I for one and I guess a few here have watched pretty much every game that was televised that Pavel played during his canucks days and heard every single game broadcast so the 20 year olds trying to act like they know it all..please shut the hell up
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 12:34 AM

how can you put a hall famer in the same category of Mclean, Snepsts, Kurtenbach and Gradin. looooooooooooooooooooool
ONLY IN VANCOUVER!!!!!

his the only Canuck in the hall of fame doesn't need any other reason and if they don't then this sums up this organization.

Edited by Mclean1, 27 June 2012 - 12:37 AM.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 01:14 AM

In the 93 -94 season when the Nucks went to the cup finals Bure scored 107 points.

The team had a total of 279 goals and Pavel had 60 of them,setting up 47 more.

So,officially he was in on 35% + of the entire goals scored in the entire regular season.

In the playoff run from game one vs. Calgary to the final cup game 7 in NY the Nucks scored 76 goals.

Pavel scored 16 times and added 15 assists.Pavel contributed to approx 40% of all goals scored in the fabled cup run.

Scoring 20-25% single -handedly while being in on near 40% of all goals scored is more than icing on the cake.

It is almost half the cake.

For the record ,Pavel joined the Canucks when I was 32 years of age but anybody can figure out his contribution % on stats,alone.

Edited by nuck nit, 27 June 2012 - 01:52 AM.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 02:25 AM

Anyone who snubs Pavel as deserving to have his jersey (10!) retired is either:

a. a snot-nosed kid who has never seen him play
b. a grumpy negative nelly that only sees one side of every story
c. can't read a stats page
d. hates exciting hockey and wants the red line and water skiing put back in
e. thinks hockey players have to be "role models in the community" (even while adjusting to life in a foreign country half ways around the world and at the same time thrust into the center of attention) in order to give them any credit for outstanding hockey ability
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 05:51 AM

Lowly franchise?


Well yeah...

It's gonna be harder for Bure's number to get retired in MTL for example rather than VAN. That's justifiable. When Vancouver has 23 Stanley Cups, then we will start debating which world class hall of famers we want to honour and which ones we wanna snub.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 06:01 AM

If Gillis has any say, i'm sure it'll be a possibility. He used to be his agents. As a kid, i was soured on the team for a bit after we lost Trevor and Bure.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 07:30 AM

I think Gillis has some other important issues to work on in the next few days. Probably not even on his radar right now.

However, the most interesting thing about this is that Gillis was Bure's agent and Burke was the GM towards the end of Bure's time here in Vancouver. Now Gillis is on the side of Vancouver management. Of all the people who knows what really went on behind the scenes, I'm sure Gillis does.

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