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#121 Avicii

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 12:33 AM

lol honestly i say who cares

Hurricane/Blackhawks/Lightning it.. Screw the future, win now and celebrate.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 12:44 AM

I really hope the Canucks don't sign Shane Doan.

He's old, his production is decreasing.

Why we would pay above 4 and a half million when Jagr signed for 4.5 million.

We really don't need another old player.



I'm gonna get flamed for this I already know, it's just my opinion.


Got to agree. I would much rather we went after a player like E. Kane or Clowe./Perry/Ryan.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:00 AM

You guys are so freaking short cited.
When 2014-15 comes around and we have a 37 year old Doan coming off a 15 goal, 33 point season on contract for 2 more years at 6 million a year (in a much reduced cap thanks to a new CBA), these same posters will be calling for his head.


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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:24 AM

sign shane...... sign.... or Gillis will use his fist of furey and get double.. no triple hit points and make u sign here after your shield of light has been taken down!
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:31 AM

Doan to the Canucks.... sounds great to me..... is he that missing piece we need, the veteran piece??


Yep
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:32 AM

I don't think Vancouver (proj. average is 28 years old for 2013 Season) has such a young team that we need a 35 year old veteran .We have enough veteran players.The numbers thrown around for Doan is something a team who lost out on Parise, Suter or Webber are going to pay I say he goes to Philly or Pitts. Hopefully not here.He is a class act and a great Canadian but I rather save that money and see what the new CBA looks like.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 01:58 AM

You guys are so freaking short cited.
When 2014-15 comes around and we have a 37 year old Doan coming off a 15 goal, 33 point season on contract for 2 more years at 6 million a year (in a much reduced cap thanks to a new CBA), these same posters will be calling for his head.


The window is now, who gives a crap if we're not doing as well two years down the road. Let's for the love of God get one cup under our belts. We've been building for the future for a long time and guess what, the future is here!!!
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 02:03 AM

He is a class act and a great Canadian but I rather save that money and see what the new CBA looks like.


And everything we're sorely missing.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:03 AM

if Doan doesn't sign here and say he picks Philly, we wait till Hartnell is a UFA next offseason and make him an offer younger and with Sedin skills he can be just as good as he is with Giroux.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 03:31 AM

Re-hashing bad memories, eh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQAxtgzl6TU


Just trying to keep folks grounded, remember the rumour as well that Luongo was in Toronto and a trade with them was imminent?
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:17 AM

Have you been drinking too many VB's down under there mate? The Canucks currently have 0 power forwards in their top 6. One potential one in Kassian and that's it. Give your boomerang a shake.


I'm just giving you narrow-minded, tunnel-visionned fans another perspective and way to think of the situation. People on these boards rarely think of the big picture and need to analyze events a bit deeper. Don't just look at Doan as a great, hard working player and say "I WANT HIM", think like a rational adult the way MG is and keep the team in mind.

You think the Canucks have no powerforwards in their top 6? Go tell that to the hard-hitting, gritty forechecking wingers like Booth and Higgins who IMO out-played Doan last season despite injuries. Go tell that to Burrows who was one of the only players along with Perry in the last few seasons to rack up as many goals and PIMs as he did. Go tell that to Kesler who won a Selke and is pretty much the definition of a power forward.

And that's not even mentioning guys like Lapierre, Hansen and Kassian who are just as much powerforwards as the other 4 out of our top-6.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:29 AM

Got to agree. I would much rather we went after a player like E. Kane or Clowe./Perry/Ryan.


I would to, but theirs a few problems with that that are not present with doan. Im a big clowe fan by the way as well, but many conflicting opinions elsewhere about clowe, many people felt he was incredibly slow and would not fit our team, and was not very good defensively. I think they were to hard on him, but its just more food for thought.

Anyway

1. You have to trade for them, teams want someone like edler, do we cough up an edler to try to trade for a clowe, or ryan?

2. Do they want to play here, and can you outbid other teams.

3. They simply in general might not be available.

At the moment doan is the best available option to a large hole in our top 6. Now i wouldnt throw an absurd contract at him, but i try my hardest to sign him to a reasonable contract considering how iffy our top 6 is.

I know you love raymond, but our top 6 in my opinion is not good enough all around.

Edited by Ghostdivision, 01 August 2012 - 04:42 AM.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:30 AM

<--- remaining cautiously hopeful (extremely cautious)
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 04:31 AM

I'm just giving you narrow-minded, tunnel-visionned fans another perspective and way to think of the situation. People on these boards rarely think of the big picture and need to analyze events a bit deeper. Don't just look at Doan as a great, hard working player and say "I WANT HIM", think like a rational adult the way MG is and keep the team in mind.

You think the Canucks have no powerforwards in their top 6? Go tell that to the hard-hitting, gritty forechecking wingers like Booth and Higgins who IMO out-played Doan last season despite injuries. Go tell that to Burrows who was one of the only players along with Perry in the last few seasons to rack up as many goals and PIMs as he did. Go tell that to Kesler who won a Selke and is pretty much the definition of a power forward.

And that's not even mentioning guys like Lapierre, Hansen and Kassian who are just as much powerforwards as the other 4 out of our top-6.


I almost never see eye to eye with you, no point in arguing, but I do feel you are very much overvaluing our current players.

Edited by Ghostdivision, 01 August 2012 - 04:33 AM.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:04 AM

People have said he is not the type to chase the money (his actions in Phoenix have proven that)... so I expect the $30 million, 4yr rumour is only what some team has offered, and not what he is demanding.

If he wants to sign here for a 3 year, $5-5.5 million per contract then I would be exceedingly happy to have him. If it is a matter of outbidding someone else and spending more than $6 million per year then we should bow out.

What all this bidding does tell you is that there are a whole lot of teams not happy with their rosters. Gillis was probably right in that there will be a secondary trade market once all this blows over and there aren't any more free agents out there to chase.

If we did get Doan it allows Gillis to save a little face in getting less for Luongo... he can say that we filled our need for a top 6 forward so organizationally were able to let Luongo go for less.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:55 AM

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:05 AM

Sorry for double post, but from hockey magazine @NHLTimes:

- Doan has been in BC due to the Blazers since last weekend. They spoke formally for the first time last weekend, and [yesterday] was their second.
- Canucks are in the lead for Doan's services as both sides believe it's a great fit
- Doan has gone farther with the Canucks than other teams, meeting with players and all of management
- Doan wasn't planning on coming back to Vancouver for a visit for a while but "new, interesting developments" piqued his interest
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:18 AM

Not getting my hopes up but i hope Doan becomes a Canuck and then Gillis trades for Morrow. How good would that top 6 look.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:33 AM

Reading some of the posts here and in the past about players and what they are worth - saying don't pay over $6 million for example - so say we offer him $5.5 and he counters with $6.2 and we say no - he then signs with say the Flyers for $6.2 and the Flyers win the cup. Wow - more a measely $700 thousand (compared to what these players make overall) we could have had him and maybe we would have won the cup?
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:38 AM

Reading some of the posts here and in the past about players and what they are worth - saying don't pay over $6 million for example - so say we offer him $5.5 and he counters with $6.2 and we say no - he then signs with say the Flyers for $6.2 and the Flyers win the cup. Wow - more a measely $700 thousand (compared to what these players make overall) we could have had him and maybe we would have won the cup?


Those are some crazy "what if's"... there more of a chance that he doesn't play for the full term and we get whacked with his cap hit and it costs us the cup because we can't re-sign one of our players or get a key free agent.

You can't run an organization by figuring out the remotest possibilities and then chasing them to the detriment of all other options. You have to balance risk/eward and determine what will work best.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 06:50 AM

I don't disagree that signing Doan is a serious risk at the dollars suggested? Also remember; signing a 35 year old means his salary stays on the cap even if he retires.

But calling Burrows a power forward is like calling a midget porn star King Kong! It matters little the amount of vigour! :P

Sure Burrows plays a hard game, very, very similar to Brown to be fair. But Brown out weighs him by 20 lbs. It makes a difference!

Bang on. Yes Doan is tempting but signing this guy to a 4 year deal is a death-wish. Not only is he old, but his style of play means he won't last much longer than 1 or 2 seasons let alone 4.

Besides, the Canucks have enough top-6 powerforwards and not enough skilled top-6 players. Right now we have 2 purely skill top-6 forwards in the Sedins and 4 powerforwards in Kesler, Booth, Higgins and Burrows. The key to playoff success is having a good mix of each right throughout the lineup, instead we have all skilled guys on our top line and 3 powerforwards on the other. With Doan coming in the balance is even more askew.

Just look at last seasons playoffs. We had 1 purely skilled top-6 forward in Henrik and the rest powerforwards. Not enough chemistry, and we couldn't score. Meanwhile the Kings had the perfect mix of skill and powerforwards on each line, with Richards, Kopitar, Carter, Gagne on the top 3 lines as the skilled players, and Brown, Richards, Penner, King and Stoll. That's a perfect split, ours is not, and by getting Doan we're only getting even MORE one dimensional and easier to defend against.


:blush: ...... Hick, Up

Have you been drinking too many VB's down under there mate? The Canucks currently have 0 power forwards in their top 6. One potential one in Kassian and that's it. Give your boomerang a shake.



L.A. also iced Kopitar at 225 lbs and Penner at 242, Boston Horton at 229 lbs, Lucic at 220 long before you get to 3rd and 4th liners like King at 235, Nolan at 227 or Thornton at 217. We have yet to find a 215 or 220 lb guy who could play with the Twins. It's why we shelter them with offensive only minutes. Number one they get beat on and number two, they cannot compete if they loose the puck and have to play in our end. Deeper, we dont have a match up for them on the 3rd or 4th line any more either. Not since the demise of Malhotra and departure of Torres. We are vulnerable to size!

Not one of the guys you cite, with the possible exception of Booth (who is a known musclehead) can match up in a fight for position with any of these guys. We have similar problems with St Louis, New York, Chicago in the past... Guys like Kesler and Higgins deserve all the credit in the world for kicking, scratching (biting :wacko: in Burrows case ) and competing. But they're middle weights at best!

The cold hard reality against L.A., like against Boston, was that size mis-matches beat out talent. And being able to predict every situation king kong would be on the ice with the Sedins meant teams could control match ups.

I'm not dissing Burrows. I'm pointing out that our line up without a power forward capable of playing with the Twins leaves us vulnerable!

I'm also surprised. On the back end, you are a key voice for adding actual size for mis matches on defence. Why the lack of consistency in your posts? Whether Doan is the power forward we need is a question, but respectfully you are off track IMO.

I'm just giving you narrow-minded, tunnel-visionned fans another perspective and way to think of the situation. People on these boards rarely think of the big picture and need to analyze events a bit deeper. Don't just look at Doan as a great, hard working player and say "I WANT HIM", think like a rational adult the way MG is and keep the team in mind.

You think the Canucks have no powerforwards in their top 6? Go tell that to the hard-hitting, gritty forechecking wingers like Booth and Higgins who IMO out-played Doan last season despite injuries. Go tell that to Burrows who was one of the only players along with Perry in the last few seasons to rack up as many goals and PIMs as he did. Go tell that to Kesler who won a Selke and is pretty much the definition of a power forward.

And that's not even mentioning guys like Lapierre, Hansen and Kassian who are just as much powerforwards as the other 4 out of our top-6.


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 01 August 2012 - 07:02 AM.

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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:34 AM

Those are some crazy "what if's"... there more of a chance that he doesn't play for the full term and we get whacked with his cap hit and it costs us the cup because we can't re-sign one of our players or get a key free agent.

You can't run an organization by figuring out the remotest possibilities and then chasing them to the detriment of all other options. You have to balance risk/eward and determine what will work best.


Tell that to the LA KIngs.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:34 AM

It's between New York and Vancouver. Philly and San Jose are long shots.

Frankly, I see Doan choosing Vancouver.


This is basically the situation.....hoping he signs here obviously.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:47 AM

Tell that to the LA KIngs.


The Kings had a lot of luck winning that cup -- no injuries, everything clicking at the right time. Remember they just snuck into the playoffs. Flame away, but I think Vancouver is a better run club than LA.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 07:56 AM

You guys are so freaking short cited.
When 2014-15 comes around and we have a 37 year old Doan coming off a 15 goal, 33 point season on contract for 2 more years at 6 million a year (in a much reduced cap thanks to a new CBA), these same posters will be calling for his head.


No offense, but to people saying they wouldn't want Doan cause he's old, production will slow down, too big of a cap hit, just know that it won't be a bad thing to get him, at all actually. Who cares if his production falls later, if we get him, our 2nd line will be a force to wrecken with and it will make us true contenders without a doubt. If we don't get him, we drop from SC contenders to 1-2 round exit cause that's how unstable our 2nd line is and it's how much he can solidify it. Not to mention, we arguably get a top 5 powerforward in the league - our teams known to take crap and Doan has none of it; guys a badass when he has to be and will show opponents not to mess with his team. Also, Kassian being a PF, Doan can be a perfect mentor for him - Zack has all the qualities, Doan can help him with his skill and how to use his body as best as he can and it'd be tremendous help, almost how Demitra and Sundin helped build Kesler. And his veteran presence is just a bonus ontop.....I think you guys over-exaggerated that you wouldn't want him....I'm sure you'd want him more than you wouldn't but then again, if we don't get him, we will have more options next free agency as there is a better FA pool.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:08 AM

Reading some of the posts here and in the past about players and what they are worth - saying don't pay over $6 million for example - so say we offer him $5.5 and he counters with $6.2 and we say no - he then signs with say the Flyers for $6.2 and the Flyers win the cup.  Wow - more a measely $700 thousand (compared to what these players make overall) we could have had him and maybe we would have won the cup?


I understand your thought, but he's just a piece to the puzzle... and won't "bring us the cup". It is a team game. If we have this thought with every player we signed then we'd find ourselves with a bunch of overpaid players and not enough talent to go along with it.Additionally, I would never pay Doan 6.2. He must make less than the Sedins. 6 would be the absolute highest, and even still, I think that is overpayment. I truly think he is worth around 5 million, given the fact he is on a decline. That would work out to 20 million for a 4 year contract... a far cry from the 30 he is supposedly seeking.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:17 AM

Signing Doan: How exactly would that 'screw the future?'

The cap always goes up and the ability to sign key UFA's is a huge plus for a franchise.

I don't think we will, but it's pretty exciting if we do. I think he has a fair amount of gas left in the tank.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:18 AM

I dont understand how people can say Sharks are big players in the Doan situation. After waiting this long for PHX to figure its crap out, and being so loyal. Why in the world would he sign with a team within the yotes division and play them 6-8 times a year or whatever and compete with them for a playoff spot. That just doesnt make any sense to me whatsoever. I say its Van, Philly or Buffalo (just cause Buffalo offered that ludacris contract). Thats if he doesnt end up staying with the yotes.

Just the way ive been looking at it.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:22 AM

The Kings had a lot of luck winning that cup -- no injuries, everything clicking at the right time. Remember they just snuck into the playoffs. Flame away, but I think Vancouver is a better run club than LA.


That's not the point - point was the Flyers didn't want Carter/Richards - they sign on the Kings - and the Kings win the cup.

Yes...there's a lot of what if's and luck, etc...but the Flyer fans are sure choked...would the FLyers have won with Carter/Richards? Maybe....maybe not...

As far as a better run club - I'd rather win the cup 1 year than be a team that doesn't quite make it year after year after year...
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 08:23 AM

You guys are so freaking short cited.
When 2014-15 comes around and we have a 37 year old Doan coming off a 15 goal, 33 point season on contract for 2 more years at 6 million a year (in a much reduced cap thanks to a new CBA), these same posters will be calling for his head.


Short sighted you mean? Cited means something completely different...

When 2014-2015 rolls around our window will be pretty much closing for winning a Stanley Cup anyway. We need to win NOW, within the next couple years, which requires risk taking and going all-in. Yes we'll be stuck with a 3rd liner being over paid for a couple years, but that deal isn't much worse than wasting 4 million on a third pairing D or wasting 2.5mil on a 4th liner.

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