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Keith Ballard Is Worth $4.2 Million If He Gets Used On The Power Play

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Well, yes he did, because that's exactly what happened.

Explain to me the logic in AV "holding somebody back". AV has one real interest - keeping his job. The way that he keeps his job is by winning games. The way that he wins games isn't by benching "20+ minute per game with regular PP time" defencemen. There is SOMETHING about Ballard that clearly does not fit with something about AV. He either does not understand the system, has a bad attitude, or AV just think he plain stinks.

Either way, I applaud AV. IN NO WAY does he benefit by benching Ballard; in fact, it even places an easy target on him, if anything, by way of all you people thinking that the only thing preventing Keith Ballard from morphing into Duncan Keith is Alain Vigneault. And that's crap.

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Baggins,your ignorance defines your knowledge base on this issue.

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Does anyone know what kind of off season training Ballard is doing?

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Keith works very hard in the summer. Living in the cities I know he works out with Paul Martin, Jordan Leopold, Thomas Vanek off and on. They are all former Gophers and skate at the U of M along with members of the current team and any others. I have heard from a friend that he has a summer place in central Mn and he has his own gym set up and works out every day while there.

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Does anyone know what kind of off season training Ballard is doing?

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Sure. People rely entirely on doctors telling them how they feel. On the other hand doctors don't rely on the the patient telling them how they feel at all. They can tell just by looking at you that you have a headache.

Sadly, the truth is medical staff rely a great deal on their patients being forthcoming about how they are feeling and what symptoms they are experiencing. Misdiagnosis becomes quite easy if the patient isn't 100% honest about his condition.

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Since players oft times dont even realize when theyve had a concussion, whos to say they arent being honest?

The doctor needs to be able to look past that when it comes to concussions.

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When the symptoms are there, my experience has been that they are pretty apparent. This is why the doctors ask questions. Other than sending a player straight off to a specialist they have to rely a great deal on the player answering their questions honestly. During a game it's pretty basic testing they can do. It can even be 24 to 48 hours before symptoms appear.

I'm not saying they aren't being honest. But can you say with any certainty that they always are? That's been my point all along. It starts with the player being honest.

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"When the symptoms are there, my experience has been that they are pretty apparent." Baggins

Baggins has it ever occurred to you that the world -especially brain injury -does not revolve around you and your experience?

I mean,I know you think and act like you know it all but your rationale is ridiculously narcissistic and totally idiotic.

Brain injury facts:

Because the brain is very complex, every brain injury is different. Some symptoms may appear right away, while others may not show up for days or weeks after the concussion. Sometimes the injury makes it hard for people to recognize or to admit that they are having problems.

The signs of concussion can be subtle. Early on, problems may be missed by patients, family members, and doctors. People may look fine even though they’re acting or feeling differently.

Because all brain injuries are different, so is concussion recovery. Most people with mild injuries recover fully, but it can take time. Some symptoms can last for days, weeks, or longer.

http://www.brainline...ry_pageall.html

"I'm not saying they aren't being honest. But can you say with any certainty that they always are? That's been my point all along. It starts with the player being honest." Baggins

Yes,you are.That is exactly what you are saying and you are an insincere blowhard for even suggesting it,never mind posting it .Do five minutes of research before blabber mouthing,Baggins.

"On the other hand doctors don't rely on the the patient telling them how they feel at all. They can tell just by looking at you that you have a headache." Baggins

Yeah,more wise words from Baggins- the CDC trained neuorologist.

The signs of concussion can be subtle...problems may be missed by patients, family members, and doctors.

Remember, you can’t see a concussion and some athletes may not experience and/or report symptoms until hours or days after the injury.

http://www.cdc.gov/c.../recognize.html

BrainLine.org is a WETA website funded by the Defense and Veterans Brain Injury Center

Concussion

  • A concussion can be caused by direct blows to the head, gunshot wounds, violent shaking of the head, or force from a whiplash type injury.

  • Both closed and open head injuries can produce a concussion. A concussion is the most common type of traumatic brain injury.

  • A concussion is caused when the brain receives trauma from an impact or a sudden momentum or movement change. The blood vessels in the brain may stretch and cranial nerves may be damaged.

  • A person may or may not experience a brief loss of consciousness (not exceeding 20 minutes). A person may remain conscious, but feel “dazed” or “punch drunk”.

  • A concussion may or may not show up on a diagnostic imaging test, such as a CAT Scan.

  • Skull fracture, brain bleeding, or swelling may or may not be present. Therefore, concussion is sometimes defined by exclusion and is considered a complex neurobehavioral syndrome.

  • A concussion can cause diffuse axonal type injury resulting in permanent or temporary damage.

  • It may take a few months to a few years for a concussion to heal.

  • http://biausa.fyrian....htm#concussion

Types of Brain Injury

Diffuse Axonal Injury (TBI)

Concussion (TBI)

Contusion (TBI)

Coup-contre coup injury (TBI)

Second Impact Syndrome (TBI)

Open and Closed Head Injuries

Penetrating Injury (TBI)

Shaken Baby Syndrome (TBI)

Locked in Syndrome (TBI)

Anoxic brain injury (ABI)

Hypoxic brain injury (ABI)

http://biausa.fyrian....htm#concussion

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"When the symptoms are there, my experience has been that they are pretty apparent." Baggins

Baggins has it ever occurred to you that the world -especially brain injury -does not revolve around you and your experience?

I mean,I know you think and act like you know it all but your rationale is ridiculously narcissistic and totally idiotic.

Brain injury facts:

Because the brain is very complex, every brain injury is different. Some symptoms may appear right away, while others may not show up for days or weeks after the concussion. Sometimes the injury makes it hard for people to recognize or to admit that they are having problems.

The signs of concussion can be subtle. Early on, problems may be missed by patients, family members, and doctors. People may look fine even though they’re acting or feeling differently.

Because all brain injuries are different, so is concussion recovery. Most people with mild injuries recover fully, but it can take time. Some symptoms can last for days, weeks, or longer.

http://www.brainline...ry_pageall.html

"I'm not saying they aren't being honest. But can you say with any certainty that they always are? That's been my point all along. It starts with the player being honest." Baggins

Yes,you are.That is exactly what you are saying and you are an insincere blowhard for even suggesting it,never mind posting it .Do five minutes of research before blabber mouthing,Baggins.

"On the other hand doctors don't rely on the the patient telling them how they feel at all. They can tell just by looking at you that you have a headache." Baggins

Yeah,more wise words from Baggins- the CDC trained neuorologist.

The signs of concussion can be subtle...problems may be missed by patients, family members, and doctors.

Remember, you can’t see a concussion and some athletes may not experience and/or report symptoms until hours or days after the injury.

http://www.cdc.gov/c.../recognize.html

BrainLine.org is a WETA website funded by the Defense and Veterans Brain Injury Center

Concussion

  • A concussion can be caused by direct blows to the head, gunshot wounds, violent shaking of the head, or force from a whiplash type injury.

  • Both closed and open head injuries can produce a concussion. A concussion is the most common type of traumatic brain injury.

  • A concussion is caused when the brain receives trauma from an impact or a sudden momentum or movement change. The blood vessels in the brain may stretch and cranial nerves may be damaged.

  • A person may or may not experience a brief loss of consciousness (not exceeding 20 minutes). A person may remain conscious, but feel “dazed” or “punch drunk”.

  • A concussion may or may not show up on a diagnostic imaging test, such as a CAT Scan.

  • Skull fracture, brain bleeding, or swelling may or may not be present. Therefore, concussion is sometimes defined by exclusion and is considered a complex neurobehavioral syndrome.

  • A concussion can cause diffuse axonal type injury resulting in permanent or temporary damage.

  • It may take a few months to a few years for a concussion to heal.

  • http://biausa.fyrian....htm#concussion

Types of Brain Injury

Diffuse Axonal Injury (TBI)

Concussion (TBI)

Contusion (TBI)

Coup-contre coup injury (TBI)

Second Impact Syndrome (TBI)

Open and Closed Head Injuries

Penetrating Injury (TBI)

Shaken Baby Syndrome (TBI)

Locked in Syndrome (TBI)

Anoxic brain injury (ABI)

Hypoxic brain injury (ABI)

http://biausa.fyrian....htm#concussion

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I have no problem giving Ballard the benefit of the doubt.

I havent heard about any malcontentment despite being marginalized. No hardheadedness or ego problems that I am aware of. No trade demands.

I cant help but think it is more likely that the Canucks medical staff dropped the ball yet again, given their track record.

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I've had several concussions. The first when I was 10. Would you like the complete history?

Although I highly doubt there is a need to have had a concussion to know that doctors rely a great deal on what their patients tell them. Anybody that's played any competitve sports would also know athletes will often downplay injuries in order to continue playing. It's simply a part of their competitive nature. Only Ballard can tell you if he was 100% honest with the medical staff. I can't say he wasn't any more than you can say he was. Without that information blame simply cannot be placed on the medical staff as it's nothing more than speculation on your part.

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i would rather have him on the pp than bieksa. all bieksa does is take a wrist shot lol

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Bieksa had 44 points though. 2nd in defense scoring. If anyone were to come out for Ballard to go onto the PP it would be Hamhuis.

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I can't believe MG still hasnt traded Ballard yet. His going to be in the doghouse for another year

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If you haven't noticed, AV tends to do certain things to players who come from other teams/rookies and haven't played in his system.

1. He tears them down, kind of a purging of the bad habits they may have learned on weaker teams, didn't play in more disciplined two way systems (see Ballard, Booth etc). Guys like Lappy and Higgins fit right in because they were defensively responsible players. See CoHo and Kassian. This can impact their short term confidence because they over think, they stop playing the offensive game they are used to, and don't feel like they are contributing.

2. He then forces them to earn their ice by playing within the system.

3. As they show they can play both ways, accept the team concept he gives them more ice. Then the confidence starts coming back and their offensive game thrives as if you play well in your own end, you get more chances. He did this with Kesler, with Burrows, Naslund (didn't work, too late to change his game) etc.

I think we are starting to see that with Ballard, that his defensive game is coming around and he will see more ice as he continues to play within the team concept. Booth we shall see what happens this year.

But this is simply good coaching, its called getting / training players to buy into the system, and this is why we have won back to back president's trophies.

AV is not a problem he is a terrific coach and knows what he is doing.

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