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#61 nuck nit

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:47 AM

Then this statement you made is crap,
"Luo has had an exceptIonal career carrying the Canucks.Mikey the GM was an NHL forward so he has yet to learn how important D and a #1 goalie are to winning it all.Mike is whistling dixie putting in a goalie with no more than one playoff win and 34 games played in the regular season in net with the window closing."


No,it's not crap.Teams win playoff games on D.They don't win them on the PP.
that small fact escaped you and our illustrious GM.
D and goaltenders are where it is at but it is a team game and all the intangibles must come together.
You have to have a coach that is not an idiot,a GM that has a clue and a great team,most especially in net and on D.
Cory has little NHL playoff experience and certainly is now going to be relied upon to bring a cup home with this present group in their last years together.
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#62 nuck nit

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:50 AM

Here is a challenge for you nuck nit.
You say relying on a goalie with as little experience as Cory is whistling pixie dustt . There at least 4 goalies who have won Cups with less experience than Cory since the Canucks have been in the NHL.
Find me 1 goalie who was the starter who won their 1st cup with as much experience as Lu and his 727 games.


Please,my head hurts.Go ahead and do the drill and let me know how it goes.
I said Gillis is whistling Dixie.Pixie dust escapes me and my generation.
I have always stated that most every Stanley Cup winning goalie relies upon exceptional defence.
Cory is going to need a lot of help if he is going to win a cup so please lobby for a #1 if Mikey trades Luo.
We don't have one #1 d man nor a d that is a PP specialist-Sami was all that remained and now he is gone.
No elite goalie.No elite PP d man.Looking good,Mikey.

There are oodles of NHL goaltenders that have won Stanley Cups at Roberto's age.
Elite goalies can and have won into their 40's.
I hope Luo brings the cup back to Vancouver if Gillis does trade him,personally speaking.
I hope he holds a Stanley Cup mini parade right down town Van,as close as he can get to Rogers,for all long suffering Vancouver fans.

Edited by nuck nit, 25 August 2012 - 02:51 AM.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:55 AM

Didn't read all of that, but if Luongo goes back to Florida and wins a cup, doesn't that make his overall career much more theirs than ours?

I like the Panthers more than many other teams he could go to. But that's because they've been lovable losers. Let's say Florida's path to a cup with Luongo has to go through Schneider and the Canucks. The hate for Luongo would be amped way up then, y'think?

But if he goes to TO, he's dead to me.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:01 AM

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What? This is a hockey related website?

My opinion of elite is higher than CDC I guess

Hextal - had 1 unbelievable playoff run, Then shot the puck better than he could save it for the rest of his career.

Cujo - A victim of bad luck, and choking in Detroit.

Kolzig - played for the capitals

Beezer - up and down, really great or a backup

Vokoun - seriously

Liut - played on crappy teams but carried the whalers in the 80s for what that's worth

Glacomin - did not play for the canadiens, still not elite

Luongo - is an elite Canuck, a team that has 3 campbell cups in 41 seasons.

Especially for a goaltender, a cup defines a career. Luit for example was a really good goalie, put him on the oilers in the 80s and give him a few Stanley cups, his legacy is completely different. How many people even know who he is?

Luongo has piled up a lot of wins, shutouts, and some playoff success, you can't deny that but that does not make him elite, he was for a period during his career but overall... Nope!

IMO the HHOF = Elite with very few exceptions (Glacomin)

Again, these LOSERS are not HHOF or elite.












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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:08 AM

I hate all of you.

This is an argument that will never conclude.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:42 AM

Or...

With Schneider

2012-2013 - Lockout
2013-2014 - Miss the playoffs, 9th in the conference, get a bad pick too.


No one knows what will happen if Schneider is our starter, it is a big gamble. Meanwhile, we have a guaranteed 30-win goalie in Luongo and we're trying to get rid of him. Makes no sense. What do people expect happen, Schneider to put up 40 or 45 wins? That's not happening.


anymore self-contradicting posts left?
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When the playoffs come around, nobody is scared of getting in a fight, but every night, they get their mom to check under the bed for Raffi Torres.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:32 AM

Yes,losing Ehrhoff was a major bonehead move by MG.Not hating,just being realistic.
Can't win many games when you don't have a PP specialist on the blue line.
It is the age old story,team (Canucks) get PP chance but fail,opposition then scores.
Ballard was barely given a chance and Tanev can't score for the life of himself.
Teams that can't dominate the PP lose a lot of regular season games.
Maybe Mike will clue in this year and help his goalie and team out?

and Cory was 1.96 gaa and SP of .936.....playing on the same team as Lou....get it ?????
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:37 AM

Just because NHL.com said it, it must be true! :rolleyes:

This is a great example of why stats aren't everything.

Now you understand !! Yes the NHL keeps stats, they are a record of performance, just like a report card !
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 10:51 AM

No,it's not crap.Teams win playoff games on D.They don't win them on the PP.
that small fact escaped you and our illustrious GM.
D and goaltenders are where it is at but it is a team game and all the intangibles must come together.
You have to have a coach that is not an idiot,a GM that has a clue and a great team,most especially in net and on D.
Cory has little NHL playoff experience and certainly is now going to be relied upon to bring a cup home with this present group in their last years together.


Then how can you say Lu has had a career of carrying the Canucks and then say you need a team effort?
If it is a team effort Lu would have been a contributer much like the Art Ross winning Sedins,Hart winning Sedin, Selke winning Kesler, Jack Adams winning AV and GM of the year Gillis, but to say he has carried this this team even the last 2 years when we won the Presidents Trophy when Cory in his 1st two years outplayed Lu for them 2 years collectively is crap.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 11:32 AM

lu could have been a champ but he was only a chump cuz he played like a chimp
nothing to cheer about there

Edited by winacup, 25 August 2012 - 10:35 PM.

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:44 PM

Not top 7 last year 14 and 16th !!


The previous year he led the league in wins with 38, was 2nd in GAA and was 4th in Sv%...
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:59 PM

and Cory was 1.96 gaa and SP of .936.....playing on the same team as Lou....get it ?????


The reality is his body of work is so small to be insignificant.Got it?
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 02:03 PM

Then how can you say Lu has had a career of carrying the Canucks and then say you need a team effort?
If it is a team effort Lu would have been a contributer much like the Art Ross winning Sedins,Hart winning Sedin, Selke winning Kesler, Jack Adams winning AV and GM of the year Gillis, but to say he has carried this this team even the last 2 years when we won the Presidents Trophy when Cory in his 1st two years outplayed Lu for them 2 years collectively is crap.

Luo carried the vast majority of the work load in net every year but this last season;
AV and Gillis were criticised year after year for riding Luo into April like a rented mule.
Luo carried the Canucks for the vast majority of his tenure in Vancouver.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 02:08 PM

Not 1 elite goaltender on that list.

I see 4 elite goaltenders on that list, are you blind and stupid
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 02:39 PM

Kipprusoft is/ was an elite goalie... He won the Vezina a couple of years ago. And that has to be considered elite

and a Jennings
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 05:11 PM

lu could have been a champ but he was only a chump cuz he playued like a chimp
nothing to cheer about there



Jennings.
Five divisional Championships.
Two Conference Championships.
Two NH League Championships.
Two,back-to-back QMJHL Championships.
1995 U-17 Bronze.
1999 World Juniors Silver -named World Junior Best Goaltender.
2003 Gold Medal.
2004 Gold Medal.
2005 Silver Medal.

Winacup,the only chimp is you,chump.
2004 World Cup Championship.
2006 Olympics.
2010 Olympic Gold.
Mike Bossy trophy.
World Junior All Star Team.
Six All Star Nominations.
Multiple Canucks Team Awards.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 06:17 PM

Riviera,in NHL hockey (and especially NHL playoff hockey) the goalie and the defence COMBINED have won many cups.
Do you think Thomas wins the cup without the healthy Chara,Boychuk,McQuaid and Seidenberg?

Vancouver only had Salo and the rookie Tanev that were not playing hurt (Bieksa,Edler,Ehrhoff,Alberts) ,out with injuries(Hamhuis) or suspended (Rome) in the Finals.

Luo has had an exceptional career carrying the Canucks.Mikey the GM was an NHL forward so he has yet to learn how important D and a #1 goalie are to winning it all.Mike is whistling dixie putting in a goalie with no more than one playoff win and 34 games played in the regular season in net with the window closing.

Mike better get a #1 d man if he trades Luo cuz Cory is going to need a lot more help than Luo had at times.


You are forgiven. In the future though please dont edit my posts to your liking, you might not agree with my opinion but it is still mine to make.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 06:32 PM

- Is 94 a distant memory? Is 2003 a distant memory? 5 years from now, will 2011 be a distant memory?
- LOL. There wouldn't even be a game 5/6 without Luongo's performance in games 1, and 2. There wouldn't be a game 7 without Luongo's performance in game 6.
- Agree. But only 6 goals in those 5 games says hi.


- 1994 is now a mostly fond memory of our most glorious playoff run. 2003 is distant memory, it was a good season though for the most part. 5 years from now 2011 might be a distant memory if we can pick up a Stanley Cup before then.

- I was referring to the first series in 2011 against Chicago where Luongo gave up 12 goals combined in games 4 and 5. Cory started game 6 and didn't finish and then Luongo gave up the OT winner. Really not sure what you are talking about.

- What does 6 goals scored in those games have to do with Luongo getting ventilated? Unless Thomas was equally bad as Luongo it wouldn't matter how many goals we scored.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 06:34 PM

Jennings.
Five divisional Championships.
Two Conference Championships.
Two NH League Championships.
Two,back-to-back QMJHL Championships.
1995 U-17 Bronze.
1999 World Juniors Silver -named World Junior Best Goaltender.
2003 Gold Medal.
2004 Gold Medal.
2005 Silver Medal.

Winacup,the only chimp is you,chump.
2004 World Cup Championship.
2006 Olympics.
2010 Olympic Gold.
Mike Bossy trophy.
World Junior All Star Team.
Six All Star Nominations.
Multiple Canucks Team Awards.


Will agree that the Jennings him and Cory won was earned.
It does help to win 5 divisional titles with as weak a division as it has been, which was also a huge reason we won Presidents trophies.
Edmonton has not made the playoffs once in the 5 years we won the division,, Calgary, Minnesota, Colorado have been not very good over them 5 years.
We are worrited about a long successful NHL playoff run , not 5-6 games against various opponents with varying degrees of talent when Canada does often have the best team.
The problem is I see with Lu is when we play a fairly equal opponent whom we play 4-5-6-7 times they will find a way to get into Lu's head and Lu will have multiple bad games.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 06:40 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAH....Did you honestly think the final against Boston was only going to go 4-5 games......BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Out of all the blind hatred you spew towards Luongo, this by far is the stupidest thing I've ever seen you type.


Keep your pants on bud. I did not mention anything about the Final. If you read more closely you'll notice that I was referring to the first series that year against Chicago, which probably shouldv'e been only 4 or 5 games.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 07:01 PM

Please,my head hurts.Go ahead and do the drill and let me know how it goes.
I said Gillis is whistling Dixie.Pixie dust escapes me and my generation.
I have always stated that most every Stanley Cup winning goalie relies upon exceptional defence.
Cory is going to need a lot of help if he is going to win a cup so please lobby for a #1 if Mikey trades Luo.
We don't have one #1 d man nor a d that is a PP specialist-Sami was all that remained and now he is gone.
No elite goalie.No elite PP d man.Looking good,Mikey.

There are oodles of NHL goaltenders that have won Stanley Cups at Roberto's age.
Elite goalies can and have won into their 40's.
I hope Luo brings the cup back to Vancouver if Gillis does trade him,personally speaking.
I hope he holds a Stanley Cup mini parade right down town Van,as close as he can get to Rogers,for all long suffering Vancouver fans.


Yes there have been goalies win the SC at Luongo's age, but the question was how many of them won thier 1st cup at that age with already so much experience?

Basically what I take from the last part of your statement is that you are a hardcore Luongo fan and you dont really care about the Canucks. You want Luongo to win a Stanley Cup with his new team and rub it in the faces of the people who cheer for the Canucks in downtown Vancouver???
Well dont count on it. You can blame our forwards and defense for Luongo's shortcomings all you like but most of the softies he gave up in the playoffs for 3 straight years didn't float through our entire team. I would wager that when Luongo leaves he'll have little more success than he did in his first run with Florida.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 07:06 PM

Jennings.
Five divisional Championships.
Two Conference Championships.
Two NH League Championships.
Two,back-to-back QMJHL Championships.
1995 U-17 Bronze.
1999 World Juniors Silver -named World Junior Best Goaltender.
2003 Gold Medal.
2004 Gold Medal.
2005 Silver Medal.

Winacup,the only chimp is you,chump.
2004 World Cup Championship.
2006 Olympics.
2010 Olympic Gold.
Mike Bossy trophy.
World Junior All Star Team.
Six All Star Nominations.
Multiple Canucks Team Awards.


0 Stanley Cups.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 07:22 PM

Yes there have been goalies win the SC at Luongo's age, but the question was how many of them won thier 1st cup at that age with already so much experience?

Basically what I take from the last part of your statement is that you are a hardcore Luongo fan and you dont really care about the Canucks. You want Luongo to win a Stanley Cup with his new team and rub it in the faces of the people who cheer for the Canucks in downtown Vancouver???
Well dont count on it. You can blame our forwards and defense for Luongo's shortcomings all you like but most of the softies he gave up in the playoffs for 3 straight years didn't float through our entire team. I would wager that when Luongo leaves he'll have little more success than he did in his first run with Florida.


The poor luongo fanboy baby is just upset he is going to have to cry himself to sleep everynight because he has to get rid of his luongo jerseys. Luongo was good for us and had his chances and did not win. Wish him the best and lets move on instead of acting like a little girl.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 07:36 PM

lu could have been a champ but he was only a chump cuz he playued like a chimp
nothing to cheer about there


and the rest of the team only managing to score 8 goals in 7 games on the biggest stage is playing like...what exactly?
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:13 PM

and the rest of the team only managing to score 8 goals in 7 games on the biggest stage is playing like...what exactly?


But also on the biggest stage Lou only ended up with an .880 save percentage and that is with two shutouts!!! How bad is that? To win we have to expect Tim Thomas to have a save percentage of .850 or lower... like that would ever happen! Not letting the offense off but seriously Lou crapped the bed big time. Out of all the years of watching hockey it is always two stellar performances in goal usually but 2010 stood out as he went from being perfect to incredibly bad. And then back again... and then back to incredibly bad again!
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:17 PM

But also on the biggest stage Lou only ended up with an .880 save percentage and that is with two shutouts!!! How bad is that? To win we have to expect Tim Thomas to have a save percentage of .850 or lower... like that would ever happen! Not letting the offense off but seriously Lou crapped the bed big time. Out of all the years of watching hockey it is always two stellar performances in goal usually but 2010 stood out as he went from being perfect to incredibly bad. And then back again... and then back to incredibly bad again!


Not saying Lu played well, but he's not the only one that sh!t the bed
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:34 PM

The problem is I see with Lu is when we play a fairly equal opponent whom we play 4-5-6-7 times they will find a way to get into Lu's head and Lu will have multiple bad games.


I see a coach and GM that rode on Luongo's coat tails and wore him out every year but last year.
I also see a coach that has difficulties making specific changes to the team on the fly.
AV is a good coach,just not a progressively innovative coach.
I also see a team that was constructed without outstanding defence men.It is a team made up of #2 and #3 's.
Garrison's supposed excellent positional play will help any Canuck goalie in net going forward.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:40 PM

The poor luongo fanboy baby is just upset he is going to have to cry himself to sleep everynight because he has to get rid of his luongo jerseys. Luongo was good for us and had his chances and did not win. Wish him the best and lets move on instead of acting like a little girl.


Buddy,I own nothing.No car,no house ,no bike and certainly no hockey jerseys from NHL players that make more before breakfast than I will make in my lifetime.
It is strictly hockey for the love of hockey to me.
I wish Luo the best.Sure.
Yeah,I would love for him to show up with a cup so that a lot of the ungrateful haters eat it.
Live with it,big boy.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 08:47 PM

0 Stanley Cups.

How many cups have you earned ,Riviera?
Luo has won at every level but you still stick it to him.Nice one.
42 years in Vancouver with no cup,Riviera.How many goalies is that?
How many players can you count in 42 years of Vancouver Canucks teams have never won a cup?
How about in the entire NHL?
When you get into your 50's and head for your 60's and you have never seen a Vancouver team win a cup then you might start appreciating the goalies and Vancouver teams that actually got to a game 7.
Maybe.
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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:00 PM

Let's get him off that list, and win it for Lu this year.....with him on the warming the bench it'll be easy.
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