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#91 Tragoedia

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:24 PM

What bothers me more about these 'Huge Cody Hodgson Fans' coming out of the woodwork after the trade is that a lot of them have to admit that he didn't look all that great for the bulk of his time as a Canuck.

This 'Unforgotten Canuck' sure had a pretty forgettable time here, actually.

But he had a good month! That is enough to put him up in the rafters, right beside Cowan and Tambellini. Screw the rest of the team, this player scored a goal against Tim Thomas, that makes him a legend right? B)
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:30 PM

I would like to see a video of that other Calder candidate and then Calder nominee-Micheal Grabner.A lot of Canucks fans would like to also forget about Michael and the great shot he got with the Canucks-all 20 NHL games before being traded:
Couture, Skinner, Grabner round out Calder finalists

Grabner probably wasn't at the top of anyone's list of candidates for the Calder when he was waived by Florida at the end of training camp after being acquired from Vancouver during the offseason. Picked up by the Islanders and given an opportunity to see the ice regularly, Grabner quickly became part of their top line and regularly displayed the speed that won him the Bridgestone NHL Fastest Skater competition during All-Star Weekend. Grabner led all rookies with 6 shorthanded goals and finished third with 52 points.
http://www.nhl.com/i...s.htm?id=560231
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:34 PM

The Sabres are Beakoning you ..get friggin lost.


Wow I see Mr.Gillis' sweaty musk has rubbed off on you and many others here in Vancouver. So like Hodgy I'll take the high road on this one.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:59 PM

^^

2. He'll never be forgotten, just like how Grabner will never be forgotten. In that his name will be brought up when he gets hot.

lol

I recall Grabner's one playoff goal against the Hawks, then he vanished. Then he was cratered. Meanwhile, his latest season was fairly 'meh.' 20g 12a -18. He's fast, sure. But that's it. Saw nothing but a bunch of floater in him since his Moose days. And then he'll go and get rocked.


Hey, since we're whining about missing ex-Canucks, what about Raffi Torres? imo He would've done more against LA than either Grabner or Hodgson. Like... Injure somebody, instead of get injured?
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:59 PM

Not forgotten at all. Stupid name, but still, he's gone. We can't do anything now, unless we trade for him.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:06 PM

I was one of Cody's hugest supporters and absolutely loved what he did for Canada in the World Jrs. Far and above the MVP over Tavares in that one, they totally got it wrong.

Regardless, a young number 10 pick from 2008 was traded for a young number 13 pick from 2009. This happens in hockey and it's a very fair hockey trade, similar asset swap that addressed needs on both teams. You guys need to get over it. Obviously there was something, whatever it was, going on behind the scenes.

Say what you want about MG but he is not one to give up on someone or not give them a fair shot (Raymond anyone), or throw them under the bus, especially his highest draft choice ever. Having said that I think the usually diplomatic lawyer in MG had enough when he let comments slip about why Cody was traded. I believe that Cody did bring more problems than the rest of the team and it appears he had a tough time growing up and accepting a team culture, whether that had more to do with his father is non relevant. You can also forget about what the team had to say about him, they blow smoke up each other's arses all day long. It's politics. At the end of the day he was shipped out in order to better the Vancouver Canucks.

I would suggest all the butt hurt folk out there to accept that you do not manage the Canucks and that Cody is not yours to trade or hold on to. Also, give Kassian this year to prove himself. One benefit of the trade is we have a player that has one more year on his ELC, this is the year to start comparing him to Cody, not last year for all you meatballs that say he didn't deliver as expected.


In an attempt to. //potentially.

Because as it stands, we are not better with him gone.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:07 PM

^^ lol

He's fast, sure. But that's it. Saw nothing but a bunch of floater in him since his Moose days. And then he'll go and get rocked.


LOL,indeed,Maple Laugh.Grabner had 11 points in his 20 NHL games as a Canuck.
He has 59 NHL goals and 95 points in 174 NHL games played.
That is better than half a point per game and the kid is 24 years old.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:13 PM

Wow I see Mr.Gillis' sweaty musk has rubbed off on you and many others here in Vancouver. So like Hodgy I'll take the high road on this one.

There is no high road in this discusion you have to make your mind up .. are you a Canuck fan or a Hodgson fan? To wish Hodgson to score the winning goal against the Canucks is pathetic as well as wishing Kassian to fail so you can gloat. Kassian had nothing to do in this crap between Hodgson and the Canucks he was just a piece in the trade but now he has to take the dirt thown at him by guys like you who will be over him like s..t on a blanket.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:20 PM

LOL,indeed,Maple Laugh.Grabner had 11 points in his 20 NHL games as a Canuck.
He has 59 NHL goals and 95 points in 174 NHL games played.
That is better than half a point per game and the kid is 24 years old.

So what? That's nothing compared to Sergei Shirokov's vast potential. He played with Malkin, y'know.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:42 PM

Ah,yes,but Sergei is back in Moscow and Grabner is first line potential with Tavares on the island.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:54 PM

spoiled little brat , he was !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:15 PM

Ah,yes,but Sergei is back in Moscow and Grabner is first line potential with Tavares on the island.

Yes, and Sergei had first line potential with the Sedins here, but we threw him away. Cody Hodgson had captain potential, but we threw him away. And Grabner has 70 goal potential. (Matt Moulson quote) But... WE THREW HIM AWAY!

God-damn, that's a lot of potential we threw away. It's like they could only reach their potential elsewhere or something.

Hmmm, i wonder if only the Sedins can get Sedin treatment.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:25 PM

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:26 PM

I beg to differ. I live and breathe the Canucks.

This was what Gillis promised; "bold moves" which would be the signature of his tenure as GM, and his manipulation of conventional wisdom to gain us a cup.

I called for Gillis's scalp as an over reaction on the day of the trade, but stand by my opinion it was a mistake. And despite that opinion, I still believe in Gillis's overall body of work and cheer for the Canucks, including Kassian. Oh, the bold move?

Gillis traded a productive, coming into his prime, dynamic young player showing first signs of being a game breaker for an unproven prospect. This was the move this GM made to get the team we all believed was a cup contender over the top.

Anyone who says we have won this trade, because Hodgson was a whiner is brainwashed.

We will retain value, Kassian remains a great prospect. And his work this summer looks very encouraging. I agree with one thing pointed out by OLDNEWS, the trade addressed a dreadful shortage of depth at RW and in physical players. The trade did not deliver as promised, but this remains its potential!

I remember the hype over acquiring a 228 lb winger who CDC'ers dreamed would thrash Lucic as our play off saviour. But I also remember the image of Kassian eating Nacho's in the press box. And then the thread surfaced earlier this summer questioning the wisdom of him training himself back to 212 or 215 lb's we now see in training video's and commercials posted online. Put the two together, and its obvious Kassian was out of shape and not the guy we should have taken; if this trade was really about a push to win the cup. The facts are this; that was what we were sold when the trade was made. This was a bold move, but we lost in the first round and MG's moves at the deadline did little to help us. If the trade was about something different, we should have been told at the time.

As a Canuck fan; I reserve the right to call B.S. I also take solace in that it will still turn around. It does not make me less a fan. I'll just say some fans blind faith is equal parts admirable, and gullible!

MG should have stood up on trade day and said, "hey look, over the last 3 years we have had trouble getting all the right things done with Hodgson, and there are still some issues. So even though he's starting to look promising, we are making a decision to move on to a different prospect who has the potential to help us...!" Instead, you know what he told us?

And my message for those who hate these threads; just ask Gillis to be a straight shooter. He's still a very good GM, but that is what we loved about Burke.

There is no high road in this discusion you have to make your mind up .. are you a Canuck fan or a Hodgson fan? To wish Hodgson to score the winning goal against the Canucks is pathetic as well as wishing Kassian to fail so you can gloat. Kassian had nothing to do in this crap between Hodgson and the Canucks he was just a piece in the trade but now he has to take the dirt thown at him by guys like you who will be over him like s..t on a blanket.


Edited by Canuck Surfer, 29 August 2012 - 04:51 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:57 PM

Cody Hodgson had captain potential, but we threw him away. And Grabner has 70 goal potential. (Matt Moulson quote) But... WE THREW HIM AWAY!
God-damn, that's a lot of potential we threw away. It's like they could only reach their potential elsewhere or something.

Five Canucks forwards scored at the half a point per game pace + last year-Sedins,Burrows,Kes and Higgins.
Cody also scored at that rate - in his rookie season,as did Grabner.
It ain't about throwing away potential,T.O.M. Laugh.
They 'threw away' bonafide scorers that were top six Canuck point producers,already-in their rookie seasons.
It was way past 'potential' time and into the .5 point per NHL game production realm.
Big difference.

Edited by nuck nit, 29 August 2012 - 05:07 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:07 PM

I beg to differ. I live and breathe the Canucks.

This was what Gillis promised; "bold moves" which would be the signature of his tenure as GM, and his manipulation of conventional wisdom to gain us a cup.

I called for Gillis's scalp as an over reaction on the day of the trade, but stand by my opinion it was a mistake. And despite that opinion, I still believe in Gillis's overall body of work and cheer for the Canucks, including Kassian. Oh, the bold move?

Gillis traded a productive, coming into his prime, dynamic young player showing first signs of being a game breaker for an unproven prospect. This was the move this GM made to get the team we all believed was a cup contender over the top.

Anyone who says we have won this trade, because Hodgson was a whiner is brainwashed.

We will retain value, Kassian remains a great prospect. And his work this summer looks very encouraging. I agree with one thing pointed out by OLDNEWS, the trade addressed a dreadful shortage of depth at RW and in physical players. The trade did not deliver as promised, but this remains its potential!

I remember the hype over acquiring a 228 lb winger who CDC'ers dreamed would thrash Lucic as our play off saviour. But I also remember the image of Kassian eating Nacho's in the press box. And then the thread surfaced earlier this summer questioning the wisdom of him training himself back to 212 or 215 lb's we now see in training video's and commercials posted online. Put the two together, and its obvious Kassian was out of shape and not the guy we should have taken; if this trade was really about a push to win the cup. The facts are this; that was what we were sold when the trade was made. This was a bold move, but we lost in the first round and MG's moves at the deadline did little to help us. If the trade was about something different, we should have been told at the time.

As a Canuck fan; I reserve the right to call B.S. I also take solace in that it will still turn around. It does not make me less a fan. I'll just say some fans blind faith is equal parts admirable, and gullible!

MG should have stood up on trade day and said, "hey look, over the last 3 years we have had trouble getting all the right things done with Hodgson, and there are still some issues. So even though he's starting to look promising, we are making a decision to move on to a different prospect who has the potential to help us...!" Instead, you know what he told us?

And my message for those who hate these threads; just ask Gillis to be a straight shooter. He's still a very good GM, but that is what we loved about Burke.


Your argument that that trade was supposed to be all about last year's Cup run has completely forgotten that Gillis also acquired Pahlsson at the same time - who in replacing Hodgson actually played very well in Vancouver - the third line was far and away the best line down the stretch. The problem with last year's Cup run was a decimated second line, and a first line that was not able to score enough all season long to compensate for that fact.

The comments about straight shooting lack no ironing when it comes to dealings with Winters and Hodgson. Again, I suggest you read the agent's response to PITB, and get back to us on that one, or simply take a look at the effect they had on Gallagher, and all the resulting alarmism in his articles about the dire consequences that will result if Hodgson is not given more of Hank and Kesler's ice time.

At that point you might revisit your claims that people who had enough of the Hodgson camp are "brainwashed".
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:16 PM

What is distressing to me is that Gillis figured Kassian would make an impact come playoff time.

Whether it was him or his scouting staff that came up with that assessment, it was ridiculous. Any educated hockey fan could plainly see he was not ready to make much of a difference.

I really hope the kid fulfills his potential.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:25 PM

Pahlsson was not the anchor for the 3rd line, Higgins and Hansen make the 3rd line work. Put anyone in between Higgins and Hansen and you have a solid 3rd line. Ask Lapierre and Hodgson. And besides, the PhD line was dismantled after Game 1 of the playoffs as the main anchor, Higgins, was moved to the 2nd line.


I agree with the point that Higgins and Hansen are outstanding two-way players, and have made the same point many times on CDC - imo they are as good a pair of wingers as any third line in the NHL. Pahlsson also happened to complement them nicely and the three made a very difficult line to play against, and actually wound up carrying the play in many of their matchups against top lines. The fact that Higgins was moved doesn't change the fact that Pahlsson probably gave the Canucks a better chance in the short run of being successful in playoff hockey. I simply can't imagine Hodgson matching up against Kopitar, Richards or Stoll... That being said, it was clearly evident that Higgins and Hansen had a whole lot to do with Hodgson's early season success - in the end, it was also evident that Hodgson, despite his offensive talent, was nothing resembling a player about to deliver a Cup to Vancouver. This is essentially what makes all the complaints about the deal so ridiculous. Kassian wasn't ready is the common complaint - but neither is Hodgson. He has his weaknesses, they may not have been particularly evident with Hansen and Higgins doing the heavy lifting defensively - but in the end, the third line was actually stronger, and the complaints basically pointless. The big loss was the 4th rounders used to rent Pahlsson? Those picks weren't about to deliver us a Cup last year either.
We now have what the Canucks need as much as anything - a big power forward right winger who is easily as promising a prospect as Hodgson is - and I say is because that is what he still is - a prospect and a project.
The time to move on was some time ago.

Edited by oldnews, 29 August 2012 - 05:30 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:28 PM

You do mean the 'speculative theories' that PITB's Wagner posted and then retracted that created all the problems-right,Oldnews?
He suggests that as a 'blogger' his words carried no responsibility and yet he created an entire controversy/situation,did he not?

"At the beginning of the month, I wrote a post regarding the source of the complaints over Cody Hodgson’s ice time. In it, I advanced the theory that the source may well be Ritch Winter, Hodgson’s agent, who may have spoken to Tony Gallagher, who then ran with the comments on the radio and in The Province. It was speculative, certainly, but I felt there was enough circumstantial evidence to ask the question.
Ouch. I’m more than willing to accept blame when I am at fault, and he is absolutely right that I should have attempted to contact him. I wrote an article based on a theory, one that I still believe has a logical basis, but I did not attempt to confirm any of the particulars with him. I should have and I will hopefully be able to rectify that soon." Daniel Wagner PITB author
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:30 PM

Please do an Aaron Rome one next :)
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:41 PM

Five Canucks forwards scored at the half a point per game pace + last year-Sedins,Burrows,Kes and Higgins.
Cody also scored at that rate - in his rookie season,as did Grabner.
It ain't about throwing away potential,T.O.M. Laugh.
They 'threw away' bonafide scorers that were top six Canuck point producers,already-in their rookie seasons.
It was way past 'potential' time and into the .5 point per NHL game production realm.
Big difference.

Yup. I remember they all looked good playing in our top-6 in the playoffs. Bonafide. Already.

And wow, that hot-streak by Grabner... That was a long time ago now, but i sure remember it. Without it, who knows. He might kindof been a 32pt -18 type player. Top six. Bonafide.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:44 PM

.... in the end, it was also evident that Hodgson, despite his offensive talent, was nothing resembling a player about to deliver a Cup to Vancouver. This is essentially what makes all the complaints about the deal so ridiculous.


Gillis stated Kassian was NHL ready and yet he was not even dressed in game 5 vs. LA.
Hodgson scored at greater than half a point per game playing limited minutes as a rookie in Vancouver.Only five other Canucks scored at that level -all NHL veterans and stars.
The complaints are about Gillis trading a top six point producing Calder candidate for a ' project ' while promising the project is NHL ready on a team that was expected to compete for the Cup that year.
Having your GM throwing a rookie was classless and the timing completely sucked.
Pahlsson gone,Hodgson gone,two -fourth rounders gone- for Kassian.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:50 PM

Yup. I remember they all looked good playing in our top-6 in the playoffs. Bonafide. Already.
And wow, that hot-streak by Grabner... That was a long time ago now, but i sure remember it. Without it, who knows. He might kindof been a 32pt -18 type player. Top six. Bonafide.


Sorry ,T.O. but Grabner is scoring better than a half a point per game player and he has three NHL seasons under his belt.Add that to his 59 NHL goals in 174 games scoring pace.
Bonafide top six scorer,indeed.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:55 PM

You write excellent posts,oldnews,for the most part.

Two - fourth rounders for a guy that puts up two goals and you believe he ranks as the best third liner in Canucks history -this guy that bolted as fast as possible from the team at the end of his 19 game body of work.
You should have fully clarified that Hodgson is as proven as any other ROOKIE that scored 19 goals and 41 points in his first year in the league and that his defensive game will most likely be improved with his time spent in the league going forward.

I want to see a tribute to Gillis.The one where Roberts gets to pay him tribute and we see Gillis telling AV he did not mean what he said and then Gillis telling the media Kassian is NHL ready right now and then throwing his first ever draft pick under the bus when the heat got too hot.
That should be followed by every interview where Hodgson spoke positively about the team,the organisation and his time here.
Maybe we could get the agent to clarify the relationship between Mike and himself and then have Mr Hodgson Sr. clarify just whom said what for which purposes in the wrap up.
Yeah,that is the video I am waiting to see.

Come on.Get real.
Former Canucks coach Marc Crawford stated repeatedly that the Sedins routinely enquired about their own ice time -it was and is a normal part of ongoing dialogue between players,their reps and management.
If there was any controversy it was manufactured.Multi billion dollar entities can do that.
What are you talking about with this victim stuff-you seem to be creating your own storyline.
What you are neglecting to suggest is that Gillis was a successful agent and as said agent had a history of relationships with other agents.I am guessing he was not in line for best liked amongst his peers.
Anybody that blames another is deflecting .It was not Cody that was deflecting.
Go back and cue the Gary Roberts quotes as you are still somewhat confused or in denial of your own.


I respect your opinion nucknit but please don't formulate mine on my behalf. I have never suggested that Pahlsson was the "best third liner in Canucks history." What I argued against was a post that claim that he sucked here. That is simply nonsense. Anyone without crap coloured glasses would have seen that. Your point that Hodgson was a rookie whose defensive game will (and I feel needs to) improve with time pretty much qualifies the point that he wasn't exactly about to deliver a Cup to Vancouver.

The Sedins did inquire about ice time - to their coach - in confidence - if anyone has breached that, it is Crawford in relating those stories. Were they doing that 3 months into their NHL career?

The other massive difference in these situations is this:

"I think the Canucks are really playing with fire. In fact, I know they’re playing with fire with this business of what they’re doing to Hodgson. They may not have to accede to demands to be traded, if in fact they come, but you don’t want to be messing around.

Once a player starts doing that, starts asking, if you’ve gotta say no, then you’re starting to really sour the relationship and I don’t think they want to go there. They are perilously close to that kind of situation. I mean, if I had been Cody’s agent I would have been asking long ago. They have been way more than patient. "

That article was written by Tony Gallagher as a result of conversations Gallagher had with whom?
The difference here is the Sedins spoke with their coach about ice time. No big deal. Players do that all the time.
On the other hand, IN THE MEDIA, Hodgson's agent was either sounding off alarms, or Tony Gallagher was hallucinating and putting a whole lot of things in their mouths. As much as I don't particularly regard Gallagher, I find it nonsensical to believe that he pulled this entire drama out of his butt - and that was way back in December when Hodgson had mere months in his NHL career, playing 13 minutes as a rookie (respectable ice time) because he was behind Hart and Selke winners.
Not surprising that that wasn't enough however, considering his agent was comparing him to Steven Stamkos.
Ritch Winters never denied that he had spoken to Gallagher about ice-time, etc. In fact if you read the last line in context, Gallagher is clearly stating that the Hodgson camp had been more than patient - but now the Canucks were perilously close to facing trade demands.

Winters wrote a longwinded pedantic snore attacking Daniel Winters, BUT NEVER TOOK A SINGLE OUNCE OF ISSUE WITH WHAT GALLAGHER HAD SAID REGARDING THEIR CONVERSATIONS.

The rest is history - one that most people want to blame exclusively on big bad Mike Gillis. I simply don't buy that oversimplification at all.

I'd say Gillis made damn good out of the situation. He acquired a power forward right winger prospect at the position the Canucks need more depth the most. He acquired a shut down center for a reasonable price of low round picks - no Pahlsson did not re-sign, but Gillis can not be blamed for the fact he wanted to return to Sweden. He dealt Hodgson to a team that is about as close to home and his family as he could have hoped, a team that had a lack of depth at center, where Hodgson would enjoy a great deal of opportunity to play with other young, talented players, and a team where the owners have deep pockets and would probably be willing to negotiate a contract more along the lines of what Hodgson's camp will be demanding. Comparisons to Stamkos and fire alarms didn't bode well for a Canucks discount. Gillis took a lot of heat for the move for some time, and eventually got tired of the innocent song and dance out of the Hodgson camp.

Did you ask for a trade?
Like I said, I enjoyed my time in Vancouver, etc, etc.
Why was he being asked about demanding a trade?
Because that is the logical consequence of the comments that Gallagher made, attributed to the Hodgson camp.
How do those contradictions add up?
Is Mike Gillis to blame for all this?
There are at least three sides to every story.
For me, that is pretty much end of story, where all sides have a pretty good chance of having their interests reasonably met.
The story about a rookie not getting enough opportunity and being blindsided by a trade reads like pure fiction.

If not forgotten, perhaps it should be - not a whole lot of value in remembering this story.

Edited by oldnews, 29 August 2012 - 07:02 PM.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:06 PM

Who?
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:18 PM

Last time I checked, neither Winter nor Hodgson was GM of the Canucks.

Sure Pahlsson effectively was Hodgson's replacement. It minimizes little of MG's commentary that CoHo was being traded for a difference maker in the play off's. That portion of the trade was a fail.

A large contingent of fans are giving Gillis a free pass on this. I'm simply of the camp that thinks it should be part of his overall evaluation. He returned to the good side of the ledger with Garrison buying some time. To me he's still got to pull the right moves with Lou, our cap and prospects to pull out a winner.

Your argument that that trade was supposed to be all about last year's Cup run has completely forgotten that Gillis also acquired Pahlsson at the same time - who in replacing Hodgson actually played very well in Vancouver - the third line was far and away the best line down the stretch. The problem with last year's Cup run was a decimated second line, and a first line that was not able to score enough all season long to compensate for that fact.

The comments about straight shooting lack no ironing when it comes to dealings with Winters and Hodgson. Again, I suggest you read the agent's response to PITB, and get back to us on that one, or simply take a look at the effect they had on Gallagher, and all the resulting alarmism in his articles about the dire consequences that will result if Hodgson is not given more of Hank and Kesler's ice time.

At that point you might revisit your claims that people who had enough of the Hodgson camp are "brainwashed".


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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:47 PM

Sorry ,T.O. but Grabner is scoring better than a half a point per game player and he has three NHL seasons under his belt.Add that to his 59 NHL goals in 174 games scoring pace.
Bonafide top six scorer,indeed.

Nevermind pretending that that's a huge accolade or something, but what about the possibility that he's just a one-dimensional 32pt scorer who managed an extended hot-streak once?

Anyway, we could go around in circles forever, nuck nit. My original lol stands. In that there will always be a constant reminder of how we once had Hodgson and Grabner. You've proved my point. Thanks.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:50 PM

Last time I checked, neither Winter nor Hodgson was GM of the Canucks.

Sure Pahlsson effectively was Hodgson's replacement. It minimizes little of MG's commentary that CoHo was being traded for a difference maker in the play off's. That portion of the trade was a fail.

A large contingent of fans are giving Gillis a free pass on this. I'm simply of the camp that thinks it should be part of his overall evaluation. He returned to the good side of the ledger with Garrison buying some time. To me he's still got to pull the right moves with Lou, our cap and prospects to pull out a winner.


I missed the quote where Gillis claimed Kassian was the "difference maker in the playoffs". Would be interested to see that one.
He more than replaced Hodgson. What he failed to do was replace Daniel Sedin and Kesler, and Dan Hamhuis and Kesler (amongst others) the playoffs before...s
I'll happily give him another couple chances.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 07:19 PM

Nevermind pretending that that's a huge accolade or something, but what about the possibility that he's just a one-dimensional 32pt scorer who managed an extended hot-streak once?

Anyway, we could go around in circles forever, nuck nit. My original lol stands. In that there will always be a constant reminder of how we once had Hodgson and Grabner. You've proved my point. Thanks.

Yeah,you are welcome.Next time support your argument with facts so we don't have to waste our time.
Thanks.
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 07:26 PM

The bottom line is that Gillis is th GM-paid handsomely to run an organisation.
That includes protecting your players so that other potential players sense cohesion to come to the Canucks organisation and play.
This was a P.R. disaster and it was not orchestrated by a rookie or his agent routinely asking for more playing minutes.
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