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#31 Buddhas Hand

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:08 PM

Thanks, tips, but I'm well aware, that's why I cited it as an example. You can make a case for any vocalization that contains even the most simple of meanings. However, at some point you do have to draw a line as to the acceptable uses and meanings of words. It's a fine balance because new words are necessary. That is why, as I said above, I actually have more respect for a word like bling, it carries a unique connotation. Disorientated is simply a misuse of the word disoriented. And while language is capable of evolving, I think you'd be hard pressed to make a case for the former replacing the latter.

Jus' cuz you can speek wif all sorta fancy wurds dun mean you ain't not should use 'em.


and just because a you have decided a particular word does not fit into your vocabulary does not mean that word has not been accepted by other people in world today .
i will ,as have most people, accept Merriam -websters decision in matters pertaining to the acceptance of new words .
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:19 PM

and just because a you have decided a particular word does not fit into your vocabulary does not mean that word has not been accepted by other people in world today .
i will ,as have most people, accept Merriam -websters decision in matters pertaining to the acceptance of new words .
My name is not tips


It really tickles me that the person so vehemently defending slang has such atrocious grammar and, apparently, reading comprehension. I conceded the validity of bling, even if I personally dislike it. Disorientated, on the other hand, has not yet been linked to your beloved (I can barely type that with a straight face) Merriam's, as it is a misuse of another word and not a valid, grammatically correct word in its own right.

I don't make the linguistic rules, I simply have an understanding and appreciation for them. And I'm certainly not always correct. Having a BA in English does not make me an expert, but I certainly have a very strong grasp of its structure and uses. So, unless you feel it necessary to argue that language abides no rules or structure, I think you'll have to admit that I have a valid point.

That okay with you, tips?

Edited by Remy, 06 October 2012 - 07:20 PM.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:55 PM

It really tickles me that the person so vehemently defending slang has such atrocious grammar and, apparently, reading comprehension. I conceded the validity of bling, even if I personally dislike it. Disorientated, on the other hand, has not yet been linked to your beloved (I can barely type that with a straight face) Merriam's, as it is a misuse of another word and not a valid, grammatically correct word in its own right.

I don't make the linguistic rules, I simply have an understanding and appreciation for them. And I'm certainly not always correct. Having a BA in English does not make me an expert, but I certainly have a very strong grasp of its structure and uses. So, unless you feel it necessary to argue that language abides no rules or structure, I think you'll have to admit that I have a valid point.

That okay with you, tips?


Does it make you feel like a bigger man talking to people in a condescending way ?

I am not vehemently defending slang ,I am merely pointing out that the word bling has been accepted by a reputable dictionary , no matter what your opinion of that dictionary is .
and your absurd and over the top comment on my grammar leave's me feeling rather indifferent to your opinion , which is obviously coloured by emotion

I am not okay with you talking to me in a contemptous way

Edited by The Ratiocinator, 06 October 2012 - 08:09 PM.

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"These are the things to keep in mind. These are not just academic exercises. We're not analyzing the media on Mars or in the eighteenth century or something like that. We're dealing with real human beings who are suffering and dying and being tortured and starving because of policies that we are involved in, we as citizens of democratic societies are directly involved in and are responsible for, and what the media are doing is ensuring that we do not act on our responsibilities, and that the interests of power are served, not the needs of the suffering people, and not even the needs of the American people who would be horrified if they realized the blood that's dripping from their hands because of the way they are allowing themselves to be deluded and manipulated by the system."
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:41 PM

C'mon, Tips, you need to chill out a little. Is it okay if I call you Tips? Okay, Tips, here's the thing, I stated repeatedly that I conceded the point on bling. Please read my words, because you have brought that example up twice now, after the fact.

Do I feel like a big man? Oh, absolutely. The biggest, like a giant crushing ants. Because grammar.

You're so worked up, Tips, it's not good for your health.

By the way, let me be somewhat serious again for just a moment. I think we seriously undervalue the importance of language when we debase it by using it in a shoot-from-the-hip fashion. Language is how we construct meaning in every aspect of our lives. Look at how devastated the First Nations cultures were after they were stripped of their native language. Is it too much to ask that we make an effort to use it correctly, so that it retains a useful meaning for all of us? I understand if that seems a bit dramatic, but you can see where those words haven't been heeded *cough, United States, cough* and how the degradation of language has led, at least partially, to the subjugation of the lower and middle classes. No one will take you seriously if you speak like a fool.

Please, Tips, think about future generations.


I have been a called lot of things but no one has ever called me a fool .

You are not a very nice person are you remy .

Edited by The Ratiocinator, 06 October 2012 - 08:55 PM.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:46 PM

Disorientating is not a word. That is all I came in to say. :)


I disagree, and apparently so do Cambridge University and the bloomin' Queen of England. ;)


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 08:47 PM

double post.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:11 PM

C'mon, Tips, you need to chill out a little. Is it okay if I call you Tips? Okay, Tips, here's the thing, I stated repeatedly that I conceded the point on bling. Please read my words, because you have brought that example up twice now, after the fact.

Do I feel like a big man? Oh, absolutely. The biggest, like a giant crushing ants. Because grammar.

You're so worked up, Tips, it's not good for your health.

By the way, let me be somewhat serious again for just a moment. I think we seriously undervalue the importance of language when we debase it by using it in a shoot-from-the-hip fashion. Language is how we construct meaning in every aspect of our lives. Look at how devastated the First Nations cultures were after they were stripped of their native language. Is it too much to ask that we make an effort to use it correctly, so that it retains a useful meaning for all of us? I understand if that seems a bit dramatic, but you can see where those words haven't been heeded *cough, United States, cough* and how the degradation of language has led, at least partially, to the subjugation of the lower and middle classes. No one will take you seriously if you speak like a fool.

Please, Tips, think about future generations.


Wasting all that grammar on a petty argument such as this, wuld U lieahk a kookiee???
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:40 PM

I have been a called lot of things but no one has ever called me a fool .

You are not a very nice person are you remy .



See, this is what I mean. I didn't call you a fool.

The hilarious thing about it, honestly, is that it was a comment directed to Sharpshooter. And I KNOW he can take it in stride, and he'd give it right back to me when deserved. I see eye to eye with him on a lot of issues, disorientating notwithstanding. Pretty sure he's the last one in this thread that would take any semblance of offence, and I really don't know why anyone would feel the need to jump to his defence, he's more than capable.

Ryanstorm, it's all good, brother, but really, don't take it too seriously now.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:47 PM

By the way, within minutes, I found a much more compelling argument in favour of disorientate than anyone else has provided!

Furthermore, disorientate is not a back formation from disorientation. The Merriam-Webster Unabridged gives its etymology as "1dis- + orient + -ate."

Nor is orientate from orientation. The same dictionary gives the etymology of orientate as "French orienter (from Middle French) + English -ate.

There are many other verbs which have an -er ending in French and an -ate ending in English. Presumably what happened was that English borrowed some Latin verbs having the past participle ending -atus, changing it to at then to ate. Later, some French verbs ending in -er were borrowed and in some cases, -ate was added to the root as a result of the influence of the Latin etymology. In the case of orient and orientate, both the root and the root plus -ate were adopted as verbs.



But for the fun of it, here are some words that sound fake but are not. And be honest, if you ever heard someone use a word from the list below, you would probably look at them a little funny, no?


1. Erinaceous
Like a hedgehog
2. Lamprophony
Loudness and clarity of voice
3. Depone
To testify under oath
4. Finnimbrun
A trinket or knick-knack
5. floccinaucinihilipilification
Estimation that something is valueless. Proper pronunciation based on Latin roots: flockə-nowsə-nəkələ-pələ-fək-ation.
6. Inaniloquent
Pertaining to idle talk
7. Limerance
An attempt at a scientific study into the nature of romantic love.
8. Mesonoxian
Pertaining to midnight
9. Mungo
A dumpster diver – one who extracts valuable things from trash
10. Nihilarian
A person who deals with things lacking importance (pronounce the ‘h’ like a ‘k’).

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:10 PM

If the magnetic pole flips, do we have to give our money to Al Gore?
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:23 PM

By the way, within minutes, I found a much more compelling argument in favour of disorientate than anyone else has provided!

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But for the fun of it, here are some words that sound fake but are not. And be honest, if you ever heard someone use a word from the list below, you would probably look at them a little funny, no?


1. Erinaceous
Like a hedgehog
2. Lamprophony
Loudness and clarity of voice
3. Depone
To testify under oath
4. Finnimbrun
A trinket or knick-knack
5. floccinaucinihilipilification
Estimation that something is valueless. Proper pronunciation based on Latin roots: flockə-nowsə-nəkələ-pələ-fək-ation.
6. Inaniloquent
Pertaining to idle talk
7. Limerance
An attempt at a scientific study into the nature of romantic love.
8. Mesonoxian
Pertaining to midnight
9. Mungo
A dumpster diver – one who extracts valuable things from trash
10. Nihilarian
A person who deals with things lacking importance (pronounce the ‘h’ like a ‘k’).


Actually I saw that one as well from the thread that was discussing disorient vs disorientate, and I was going to go all etymological on you, but I figured Cambridge University was the better card to pull versus a post in the discussion thread.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:24 PM

It really tickles me that the person so vehemently defending slang has such atrocious grammar and, apparently, reading comprehension. I conceded the validity of bling, even if I personally dislike it. Disorientated, on the other hand, has not yet been linked to your beloved (I can barely type that with a straight face) Merriam's, as it is a misuse of another word and not a valid, grammatically correct word in its own right.

I don't make the linguistic rules, I simply have an understanding and appreciation for them. And I'm certainly not always correct. Having a BA in English does not make me an expert, but I certainly have a very strong grasp of its structure and uses. So, unless you feel it necessary to argue that language abides no rules or structure, I think you'll have to admit that I have a valid point.

That okay with you, tips?

It really tickles me that the person so vehemently defending slang has such atrocious grammar and, apparently, reading comprehension. I conceded the validity of bling, even if I personally dislike it. Disorientated, on the other hand, has not yet been linked to your beloved (I can barely type that with a straight face) Merriam's, as it is a misuse of another word and not a valid, grammatically correct word in its own right.

I don't make the linguistic rules, I simply have an understanding and appreciation for them. And I'm certainly not always correct. Having a BA in English does not make me an expert, but I certainly have a very strong grasp of its structure and uses. So, unless you feel it necessary to argue that language abides no rules or structure, I think you'll have to admit that I have a valid point.

That okay with you, tips?

FFS shut up
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:24 PM

If the magnetic pole flips, do we have to give our money to Al Gore?


What does Al Gore have to do with magnetic pole shifts/flips?
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:28 PM

What does Al Gore have to do with magnetic pole shifts/flips?

Manbearpig?
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:33 PM

Manbearpig?


Hey, that's super serious business.

I'm super cereal.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:50 PM

FFS shut up


You mad.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:51 PM

Actually I saw that one as well from the thread that was discussing disorient vs disorientate, and I was going to go all etymological on you, but I figured Cambridge University was the better card to pull versus a post in the discussion thread.


Underestimating the quality of a discussion thread?
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:16 PM

Underestimating the quality of a discussion thread?


Not at all.

I was simply implying that one has an authoritative weight behind it and the other doesn't.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:20 PM

You mad.

Nope...just trying to take the place of your missing internal monologue, champ.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:30 PM

Not at all.

I was simply implying that one has an authoritative weight behind it and the other doesn't.


Ah, I see. I think I just prefer the etymology explanation because it shows how we ended up with the variation in that word. Pretty interesting stuff. Besides, it's always more fun to know the how or why, rather than just whether or not it's a rule.

And hey, at least you took me tongue in cheek (oh man, that sounds so wrong). But you get my poi ... nevermind.

Employee, your Christopher Walken sig has never looked quite so fitting. It's exactly the face I imagine you making as you type that. But hey, I appreciate that you think I'm a champ. You know, I never won much of anything, but I guess it's like a figurative kind of champ, right? Like, to you, you think I'm a real winner? I don't know, but that's a nice sentiment, you're alright.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:39 PM

Ah, I see. I think I just prefer the etymology explanation because it shows how we ended up with the variation in that word. Pretty interesting stuff. Besides, it's always more fun to know the how or why, rather than just whether or not it's a rule.

And hey, at least you took me tongue in cheek (oh man, that sounds so wrong). But you get my poi ... nevermind.

Employee, your Christopher Walken sig has never looked quite so fitting. It's exactly the face I imagine you making as you type that. But hey, I appreciate that you think I'm a champ. You know, I never won much of anything, but I guess it's like a figurative kind of champ, right? Like, to you, you think I'm a real winner? I don't know, but that's a nice sentiment, you're alright.

You seem like this whole thing has really had an affect of you. You mentioned earlier about give and take with Sharp or something along those lines; you're doing a poor job. Sharp makes it fun; you've made it sad.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:48 PM

<--- team disorient.





what was this thread initially about....?
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:56 PM

<--- team disorient.





what was this thread initially about....?


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 11:58 PM

You seem like this whole thing has really had an affect of you. You mentioned earlier about give and take with Sharp or something along those lines; you're doing a poor job. Sharp makes it fun; you've made it sad.


Ho ho, a joke about questionable sexuality. Almost slipped under the radar, you clever fellow, you.

It's funny, seems like you're the one that had their cage rattled. I can handle a little ball busting, that's no big deal. But you? Jumped out of nowhere to pick a fight with me, over a discussion about grammar! Now, you want to talk about sad. Sheesh. I don't even know you, pal, no reason to have a tiff over nothing. If you can't see the humour in it then we're definitely having different conversations here.
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:07 AM

Ho ho, a joke about questionable sexuality. Almost slipped under the radar, you clever fellow, you.

It's funny, seems like you're the one that had their cage rattled. I can handle a little ball busting, that's no big deal. But you? Jumped out of nowhere to pick a fight with me, over a discussion about grammar! Now, you want to talk about sad. Sheesh. I don't even know you, pal, no reason to have a tiff over nothing. If you can't see the humour in it then we're definitely having different conversations here.


How in blue hell did you come to that conclusion about anything I said?

I also didn't pick a fight with you I gave you a sound piece of advise that you should have taken.

g'night.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:18 AM

How in blue hell did you come to that conclusion about anything I said?

I also didn't pick a fight with you I gave you a sound piece of advise that you should have taken.

g'night.


You mentioned earlier about give and take with Sharp or something along those lines



Makes sense for you now? Advise I should have taken, got it. How charitable of you. I do apologize for being so misguided that I didn't recognize your profoundly generous offer. Employee, it's my bed time as well, so fair enough, but you seem to have a real you-know-what up your you-know-where and if you can't comprehend my attempt at humour (hey, no one ever accused me of being Louis CK over here, to be fair), then that's your issue. And if you're attempting to be funny and I've missed, which I may well have, then my bad. Jerk.
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:25 AM

Disorientating is not a word. That is all I came in to say. :)


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:30 AM

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Makes sense for you now? Advise I should have taken, got it. How charitable of you. I do apologize for being so misguided that I didn't recognize your profoundly generous offer. Employee, it's my bed time as well, so fair enough, but you seem to have a real you-know-what up your you-know-where and if you can't comprehend my attempt at humour (hey, no one ever accused me of being Louis CK over here, to be fair), then that's your issue. And if you're attempting to be funny and I've missed, which I may well have, then my bad. Jerk.


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Posted 07 October 2012 - 01:07 AM

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Makes sense for you now? Advise I should have taken, got it. How charitable of you. I do apologize for being so misguided that I didn't recognize your profoundly generous offer. Employee, it's my bed time as well, so fair enough, but you seem to have a real you-know-what up your you-know-where and if you can't comprehend my attempt at humour (hey, no one ever accused me of being Louis CK over here, to be fair), then that's your issue. And if you're attempting to be funny and I've missed, which I may well have, then my bad. Jerk.


Verbal give and take not your you-know-what giving and taking. That's a deep gutter to pull that from what I said. yeesh.
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 07:00 AM

OK, I can't even begin to clean up the slop here by deleting but, from here on in, please refrain from any further in thread arguing and insults. All future posts are to be directed ONLY toward the topic at hand, which is not grammar, etc.

Warnings to be issued to anyone not abiding by this....
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