Wetcoaster Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I think everyone understands this thanks to you explaining it every other post, but the issue of contention has been whether it's suitable to do time in jail, and it hasn't changed since the first page. And there's been no argument made for why this punishment fits the crime, beyond "teach her a lesson" and "consequences". Well, talking to an unrelated man in Saudi Arabia has consequences of lashes, the punishment does not fit the crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Clearly this argument is going nowhere very fast. To some, sexual abuse and violence in a jail is suitable punishment for talking back to a judge. To others, it's indicative of a severely broken judicial system focused on punitive punishment rather than rehabilitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electro Rock Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 You are assuming that she will be subject to such treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladeen Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 There are two things to take away from this video/case: 1. The American justice system is clearly about punishment rather than rehabilitation. - Not saying she shouldn't have seen that coming, but obviously she's not the sharpest tool in the shed. 2. The American justice system is clearly different if one has money and can hire good legal counsel. If this girl had a lawyer present to talk on her behalf and advice her of what is acceptable or not in a courtroom (Yes, even as plainly obvious as it may be to normal people), she probably gets a suspended sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpcurtly Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Unless she is a gang member or extremely violent, its basically a given in a system that's long been overrun with gang members and predators. She might have been alright in a state like Wisconsin, or if had been 30 years ago, but not there and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 When she gets out she might have to turn to hooking or being a dealer to pay the fine. What is the daily cost of feeding and housing an inmate? Billions and trillions of dollars in debt but lets send a mouthy kid/ young adult to jail. waste of tax dollars and runs the risk of having a prison hardened career criminal come out. Bad risk/reward potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Overkill considering her age. I think some community service might have been more appropriate here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 You know what, you're right. This girl should be sent to a resort to carry out her sentence....that'll learn her!!! Prison is supposed to be awful, and if it's as bad as you say, I'm thinking she will have learned her lesson by the end of the 30 days. If Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan can make it, I'm sure she will too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpcurtly Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Yes, letting her walk away with her $5,000 bail is sending her to a resort.. hyperbole r us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Something you would never use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpcurtly Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 It's a CDC epidemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 When she gets out she might have to turn to hooking or being a dealer to pay the fine. What is the daily cost of feeding and housing an inmate? Billions and trillions of dollars in debt but lets send a mouthy kid/ young adult to jail. waste of tax dollars and runs the risk of having a prison hardened career criminal come out. Bad risk/reward potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Any grammatical errors you'd like to point out too?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 There are two things to take away from this video/case: 1. The American justice system is clearly about punishment rather than rehabilitation. - Not saying she shouldn't have seen that coming, but obviously she's not the sharpest tool in the shed. 2. The American justice system is clearly different if one has money and can hire good legal counsel. If this girl had a lawyer present to talk on her behalf and advice her of what is acceptable or not in a courtroom (Yes, even as plainly obvious as it may be to normal people), she probably gets a suspended sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 When she gets out she might have to turn to hooking or being a dealer to pay the fine. What is the daily cost of feeding and housing an inmate? Billions and trillions of dollars in debt but lets send a mouthy kid/ young adult to jail. waste of tax dollars and runs the risk of having a prison hardened career criminal come out. Bad risk/reward potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpcurtly Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I don't pedant over things like that, sounds like you're mad because your post content was criticised for being highly irrational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Yes, letting her walk away with her $5,000 bail is sending her to a resort.. hyperbole r us. It's pretty humorous that her punishment is justified, really? Why isn't the judge contempt of court since he wanted to be part of the problem? If he doesn't dismiss her like a douche, she likely doesn't respond with a harmless "adios". If he lets it go as any mature person would do, she walks away with a $5,000 bail to pay, because that was indeed nothing remotely close to contempt of court. Judge can't forego his ego, brings her back, doubles her bail to be an even bigger douche, because of his issue with her completely unrelated to what she was charged for, followed by mocking her, and escalating a conflict he winds up sending her to jail over. Judge had no reason to do what he did, and by the time she flipped him the bird he already played his part in baiting and antagonising her into doing it. Send him back to law school since he evidently missed the part about decorum in a court room, though he conveniently remembered what contempt of court is when it suited his agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 I'm not mad..I thought my use of hyperbole was fairly obvious but since you so aptly pointed it out, thought I'd ask if there was anything else you could help the readers with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wetcoaster Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 It's too bad you don't address the rest of Zaibatsu's post. It was much longer than "hyperbole r us" you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi Babe Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 It's too bad you don't address the rest of Zaibatsu's post. It was much longer than "hyperbole r us" you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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