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#1 mrsasaki

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:06 PM

Thinking all the way ahead to next year, here's what i think is realistic, and no crazy blockbusters like some people have, and barely any signings too

At the draft, make this trade:

To Toronto:
Roberto Luongo

To Vancouver:
Korbinian Holzer
Matt Finn
2nd round pick

Re-sign Chris Tanev for 3 years $1.560 mil
Re-sign Dale Weise and Aaron Volpatti for 2 years $900 000 each
Re-sign Jordan Schroeder 2 years $1.2 mil
Re-sign Max Lapierre 2 years $1.15 mil
Sign a couple plugs for depth

Let Raymond and Malhotra walk, don't really care what happens to all the plugs

Compliance buyout Ballard

FORWARDS
Daniel Sedin ($6.100m) / Henrik Sedin ($6.100m) / Nicklas Jensen ($0.894m)
David Booth ($4.250m) / Ryan Kesler ($5.000m) / Zack Kassian ($0.870m)
Alexandre Burrows ($4.500m) / Jordan Schroeder ($1.200m) / Jannik Hansen ($1.350m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.950m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.150m) / Dale Weise ($0.950m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Hamhuis ($4.500m) / Alexander Edler ($5.000m)
Jason Garrison ($4.600m) / Kevin Bieksa ($4.600m)
Korbinian Holzer ($0.575m) / Chris Tanev ($1.560m)
GOALTENDERS
Cory Schneider ($4.000m)
Eddie Lack ($0.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $58,899,167; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $5,400,833

If Jensen isn't ready, re-sign Higgins and make forward lines something like this:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows/Kassian
Booth - Kesler - Kassian/Burrows
Higgins - Schroeder - Hansen
Volpatti - Lapierre - Weise

Prospects:
Re-sign:
Sweatt, Archibald, Sauve, Rodin, Connauton

Release:
Rai, Schneider

Connauton may come up as 7th d or maybe spend another full year in the minors.

AHL:
Sweatt, Rodin, Archibald, Friesen, Mallet, Grenier (?), Connauton (?), Sauve, Price, Polasek, Corrado, Andersson, Tommernes (?), Cannata

ECHL:
Tochkin, Anthony, Grenier (?), Myron, Blomstrand (?), Honzik (?)

CHL:
McEneny, Gaunce, Finn, Honzik (?)

NCAA:
Labate, Beattie, Hutton, McNally

Europe:
Westerholm, Blomstrand (?), Tommernes (?)

All the question marks are ones that I think could go to either league they're in

Edited by mrsasaki, 09 February 2013 - 01:13 PM.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:20 PM

id rather get forwards back then 2 d men in a luongo trade.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:22 PM

That is nowhere near fair value for Luongo. We should be getting be gettig prospects, but high-end prospects, not the B level prospects you proposed. Matt Finn is nothing special and Holzer is having a good run, but his trade value is still very low compared to Luongo.

I think a A level prospect and a 1st shoud be enough for Lu, a roster player doesn't seem very nescessary unless Booth and Kesler don't perform up to par.

Filip Forsberg and a 1st for Lu + 3rd rd pick I think is fair. If a roster player is needed, then the package can be changed



The rest of the line-up is good though, I'd re-sign Higgins and MayRay if we don't trade him. He's playing too good lately to have him walk without getting anything for him.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:41 PM

thats an awful trade for Luongo. if that trade is what Gillis was looking for it would have been done a long time ago.
to get Luongo teams will have to give up a top prospect, impact roster player and a 1st rounder.
i think Gillis is looking for something like this:
Tor: Kadri, Kulemin, 1st
Was: Laich, Wilson, 1st
Fla: Weiss, Theodore, conditional 1st(if Weiss doesnt resign)
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:45 PM

whatever salary we pick up in a luongo trade, we'll have to shed in salary to be cap compliant. if we pick up 2 forwards that can crack our top 9, we will have to move 2 present top nine, money wise.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:45 PM

We will want either 2 forwards or 1 forward,1 d-man for lu.

Washington: Forsberg,Marcus Johansson
Flroida: Versteeg, Bjugstad,1st
Toronto: Kadri,Biggs,1st

If we get rid of some cap space like trading booth,burrows or ballard there is lots of great ufa's this year.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:47 PM

Instead of Holzer, why don't we include Bozak? We definitely need a skilled, 3rd-line center to replace Kesler, whiile Schroeder develops.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:56 PM

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:59 PM

We can definitely get more than Holzer and Finn.
We can add Kulemin in there, probably.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 09:31 PM

We will want either 2 forwards or 1 forward,1 d-man for lu.

Washington: Forsberg,Marcus Johansson
Flroida: Versteeg, Bjugstad,1st
Toronto: Kadri,Biggs,1st

If we get rid of some cap space like trading booth,burrows or ballard there is lots of great ufa's this year.


LOL u are such a homer its ridiculous. I agree Lou is worth more than the OP posted but in no way does he get us that.If he could get us John Carlson alone I'd be stoked with that. Hes a top 4 right shooting D we have needed one of those forever. BIG young talented on a long therm contract at a MG esque just under 4 mill per. He would be a perfect fit for our team going forward.

No point in getting forwards cuz we already have to decide weather to trade Booth or let Higgy and May Ray walk even if we buy out Ballsy.

Edited by honey badger36, 10 February 2013 - 09:35 PM.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:34 PM

I did come up with an entire series of deals, which would look like this:

Luongo, Bieksa, Burrows to Montreal for Price, Gorges, Galchenyuk, and Gallagher, plus two first-rounders. A reasonable price tag, considering the length of Luongo's contract and his pedigree, not to mention including Bieksa and Burrows. Luongo's larger-than-life personality and pedigree would be perfect for the Habs. Price, meanwhile, he's been doing pretty good, but I think he isn't getting along in the Montreal environment - he might do even better in Vancouver.

Follow this by dealing Galchenyuk and Tanev to Edmonton for Nugent-Hopkins and a second-rounder. Most of you might dismiss this, but some people think Galchenyuk is comparable to Nugent, possibly better, but adding Tanev sweetens the deal.

Follow this by then dealing Schneider to Toronto for Scrivens and O'Reilley. That'll give you a potential top blueliner and a passable backup.

Then the biggest deal yet: Sedin twins, Kesler, Ballard, Raymond, Parent(from the farm) two first rounders from Montreal to Nashville for Weber. Even I'm going to call this deal pie in the sky, but if Nashville agreed to such a deal, it would churn something out for Vancouver.

When the dust settles, the Canucks will have undergone an extreme makeover, to be led by a distictive Big Three: Price, Weber, and Nugent-Hopkins (btw, all three of them are BC-born).

Before you guys comment on the price tag or talk about how impossible these deals are, just imagine for a moment.

Pair Nugent-Hopkins between Kassian and Schroeder. Nugent and Schroeder in particular, they have vision, intelligence, skating ability, and puck skills to match the Sedin twins - but they have even more heart and determination. These are guys who won't get deterred by bigger opponents, they will find ways to beat them. With Kassian on their line, they'll have an option - Big Z can ward off trouble makers, drive straight to the net, and can open up ice and pot in the rebounds. A second line featuring Higgins, Jensen, and Booth could fill in well - ideally if they could trade for a better second-line playmaker, it'll be even better.

Pair Weber and Edler (who btw, will be one of only two non-BC born blueliners remaining). This is a duo that combines intelligence, mobility, and grit to be a top shutdown pair, better than Keith-Seabrook. They can beat any opponent any which way, hit, block shots, break up plays, create turnovers, and can be extremely effective in the transition.

Price is finally having that breakout we knew could happen. Not sure if Habs would part with him now. But if he were playing in Vancouver, if he managed to exploit all of his potential, he would make an other-worldly netminder, especially with his combination of the butterfly and his puck-handling.

This is pie in the sky, doubtful this deal would go through (or that some of you would even want this). But it's interesting to imagine.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:36 PM

I did come up with an entire series of deals, which would look like this:

Luongo, Bieksa, Burrows to Montreal for Price, Gorges, Galchenyuk, and Gallagher, plus two first-rounders. A reasonable price tag, considering the length of Luongo's contract and his pedigree, not to mention including Bieksa and Burrows. Luongo's larger-than-life personality and pedigree would be perfect for the Habs. Price, meanwhile, he's been doing pretty good, but I think he isn't getting along in the Montreal environment - he might do even better in Vancouver.

Follow this by dealing Galchenyuk and Tanev to Edmonton for Nugent-Hopkins and a second-rounder. Most of you might dismiss this, but some people think Galchenyuk is comparable to Nugent, possibly better, but adding Tanev sweetens the deal.

Follow this by then dealing Schneider to Toronto for Scrivens and O'Reilley. That'll give you a potential top blueliner and a passable backup.

Then the biggest deal yet: Sedin twins, Kesler, Ballard, Raymond, Parent(from the farm) two first rounders from Montreal to Nashville for Weber. Even I'm going to call this deal pie in the sky, but if Nashville agreed to such a deal, it would churn something out for Vancouver.

When the dust settles, the Canucks will have undergone an extreme makeover, to be led by a distictive Big Three: Price, Weber, and Nugent-Hopkins (btw, all three of them are BC-born).

Before you guys comment on the price tag or talk about how impossible these deals are, just imagine for a moment.

Pair Nugent-Hopkins between Kassian and Schroeder. Nugent and Schroeder in particular, they have vision, intelligence, skating ability, and puck skills to match the Sedin twins - but they have even more heart and determination. These are guys who won't get deterred by bigger opponents, they will find ways to beat them. With Kassian on their line, they'll have an option - Big Z can ward off trouble makers, drive straight to the net, and can open up ice and pot in the rebounds. A second line featuring Higgins, Jensen, and Booth could fill in well - ideally if they could trade for a better second-line playmaker, it'll be even better.

Pair Weber and Edler (who btw, will be one of only two non-BC born blueliners remaining). This is a duo that combines intelligence, mobility, and grit to be a top shutdown pair, better than Keith-Seabrook. They can beat any opponent any which way, hit, block shots, break up plays, create turnovers, and can be extremely effective in the transition.

Price is finally having that breakout we knew could happen. Not sure if Habs would part with him now. But if he were playing in Vancouver, if he managed to exploit all of his potential, he would make an other-worldly netminder, especially with his combination of the butterfly and his puck-handling.

This is pie in the sky, doubtful this deal would go through (or that some of you would even want this). But it's interesting to imagine.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:36 PM

By far the most practical deal for Luongo would be to deal him to Tampa for LeCavelier. Tampa could use a top netminder, and already have Stamkos carrying the offensive load. (They might want Higgins as part of the deal).
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:39 PM

I'm not really going to even try to pick apart that mega deal, but we get absolutely destroyed in that Weber deal.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:34 AM

So Jensen as a rookie is going to beat out Burrows and Kassian as a 1st liner..... not going to happen.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

So Jensen as a rookie is going to beat out Burrows and Kassian as a 1st liner..... not going to happen.


Very true, Burrows is with the Sedins unless someone else earns this opportunity.I also do not think that Ballard would be bought out if there is an excess of over 5 million in cap space as per the original proposal, may as well keep him and let him play.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:21 PM

This is how I see it playing out...

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Kassian
Hansen-Schroeder-Raymond
Higgins-Lapierre-Wiese/Volpatti

Edler-Hamhuis
Garrison-Bieksa
Tanev-(D-Man From Luongo Trade)

Schneider
Lack

No way we're letting Raymond walk for nothing.... plus that speedy third line has some good chemistry going.
Jensen will need a year in the AHL, may join us in playoffs next year.

Edited by UltimateEvin, 13 February 2013 - 01:22 PM.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 04:20 PM

I'm not really going to even try to pick apart that mega deal, but we get absolutely destroyed in that Weber deal.


No, well think again. When you have a top line of Kassian-Nuget-Schroeder, that's a line that has more upside than the Sedin line.

Weber has a 14-year contract - the longer the contract, the more you may have to pay. For what he's worth, we're talking about one of the three best blueliners in the league. Put him in Vancouver, the Canucks defense would be overwhelmingly dominant:

Weber-Edler (only non BC-born blueliner, btw)
Hamhuis-Garrison
Georges-O'Rielly/Barker

Looks like a blueline with a very dominate top pair, plus a really strong second- and third-pair.

Only weakness I can see is the second line. Easiest solution would possibly be to sign Brendan Morrison. Guy may be washed up by now, but at least he's still got more playmaking ability than anyone else on this roster (save for Nugent or Schroeder) and could get a boost playing between young wingers.
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