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#121 debluvscanucks

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

Cluttersuck you psychopath. Koivu, I remember you you dirty dog.
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#122 Joel Heyman

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:05 PM

Garrison needs to man the point on the umbrella. We need to be actively seeking him out to set him up for one timers. That hasn't been happening, all the passes to him have been to his backhand or when he isn't in a suitable position for the onetimer. Edler has been predominantly set in that spot despite his 5% chance of putting the puck on net. That needs to change.

I also don't really understand all the hate for Schroeder playing the point. He's equally effective there as he centering the second unit. He has an accurate shot and great vision, he played the point in Chicago and did well there.


I would like to formally withdraw my comments about Schroeder being good on the point.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:17 PM

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I guess they discussed how to suck more
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#124 Brick Tamland

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:24 PM

2 things were likely discussed.

1. Who bunks with Snoring Sestito

2. Where are they eating for their pregame meal
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:25 PM

Woops, this is NOT the GDT?

"....and at that meeting they ordered pizza and watched Finding Nemo"
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:30 PM

Don't think the closed meeting helped. Firings next
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:36 PM

Maybe they finally agreed/realized AV is a goner.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:47 PM

they did, its just they're not trusted.


Ballard(puck mover) and Garrsion(supposed bomber from the point).

Ballard was here when both Salo and Erhoff were here ,And Garrison is looking like his average self that i expected he would when we got him , Erhoff in my opinion from the day we let him go was a mistake and there should have been a way to make a deal happen because he was always the best puck moving dman when he was here
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:47 PM

Hopefully they were coming up with a shortlist of coaches they would want to play for. FIRE AV and MG if he doesnt get his head out of his a** and make some trades to help this team.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:48 PM

Whatever they talked about, it didn't help this game. Hope it helps next game.....
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:41 PM

  • Players call players-only meeting
  • Coach starts getting tough on the team
The idea that there is mutiny afoot seems ever more likely.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:44 PM

they were talking about how bad they need to suck tonight in order to get AV fired...
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:48 PM

maybe next time they'll bother to meet for more than 5 minutes.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:50 PM

Looks like the meeting didn't change anything.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:53 PM

Seems to have really worked
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:01 PM

I can hardly wait until next season on what Gillis is going to do with all these overpaid players, when the CAP comes down to $64 Mil.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:03 PM

Please do NOT have a players only meeting again.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:13 PM

Last year Canucks won because of amazing goaltending and playing in a weak division, last year this core was playing just as lifeless difference is goaltending isn't as good(but not why we're losing) and teams in the division got better. I don't know why Gillis has a hard on for AV, Gillis should've handled this goaltending thing in the offseason, this core after the SCF loss just isn't the same. I think this team needs a shake up, I don't see this team winning any cups. AV should clearly be replaced and Gillis's inability to notice this kinda scares me.
This core had its shot at a cup and blew it with injuries and this seems to be a common excuse for this core, like last year being embarrassed with a 1st round out and this year injuries and lifeless core. Gillis has some hard calls to make for this teams future as the Sedins aren't getting younger, Kesler is becoming useless cause he's always injured! love the guy and want him here but he's no good to us sitting out all season with injuries or playing injured in the playoffs and not being effective. Maybe we should take Kesler off the PK so he's not blocking shots getting injured.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:21 PM

Last year Canucks won because of amazing goaltending and playing in a weak division, last year this core was playing just as lifeless difference is goaltending isn't as good(but not why we're losing) and teams in the division got better. I don't know why Gillis has a hard on for AV, Gillis should've handled this goaltending thing in the offseason, this core after the SCF loss just isn't the same. I think this team needs a shake up, I don't see this team winning any cups. AV should clearly be replaced and Gillis's inability to notice this kinda scares me.
This core had its shot at a cup and blew it with injuries and this seems to be a common excuse for this core, like last year being embarrassed with a 1st round out and this year injuries and lifeless core. Gillis has some hard calls to make for this teams future as the Sedins aren't getting younger, Kesler is becoming useless cause he's always injured! love the guy and want him here but he's no good to us sitting out all season with injuries or playing injured in the playoffs and not being effective. Maybe we should take Kesler off the PK so he's not blocking shots getting injured.


I think you brought up a great point. The core HAD its chance to win. We had Game 7 of the Final at home. Injuries or not, you MUST win that game. I'm pretty sure that hurt these guys a lot more than us fans will ever know. It seemed to deflate them.

Yah, I get that we won the President's Trophy again last year, but when push came to shove (first round vs #8 seed), we looked like amateurs. It ws disgusting. Diving, whining, injury excuses, etc. I'm sick of it.

As many have already said before me, a change is damn well needed. Coach? GM? Goaltending? SOMETHING for effs sakes!
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:24 PM

Too bad Bieksa wasnt around to put Clusterfrack in his place when he was throwing a hissy fit watching his GF Koivu feline from Burrows.

This team is soft as hell, when that kid Prosser face washes your top players and no response from Kassian....


This teams softness has turned a mean player Kassian into a soft perimiter finese player...
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:55 PM

Obviously they were just hotboxing the dressing room.
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CanucksSayEh, on 12 March 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:
When the playoffs come around, nobody is scared of getting in a fight, but every night, they get their mom to check under the bed for Raffi Torres.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:17 PM

What's missing from the team is common sense. Why does the coach want the powerplay to practice retrieving pucks from shots? They should be practicing entry into the zone and scoring. The team looks tired and lazy so let's make them do pushups to make them even more tired. SMH!

I have rarely seen the Canucks over the years that AV has coached raise their game appropriately. They either play too hard like they did in all 82 regular season games in the cup run year when they should be resting near the end, showed no fight in the game 7 in the cup final and were too lazy and overconfident last year. I don't watch this team and think to myself by the way they play they deserve respect. A team like the Hawks who tear it up on a record long win streak and even down 4-0 fight to make it close at 6-5 is a team I can understand. It's simple... they play to score goals and their weaknesses were defense and special teams and they worked hard to address them. They have pride so they make a game of it when they're down. When they won the cup they deserved to win the cup because they steamrolled teams by having work ethic, talent, strategy and swagger integrated into their winning style of play.

The Canucks no matter how strong or weak their depth is, no matter how strong/weak their opponent is, makes their primary strategy to have goaltending games close and win by a fluky goal or opportune moment. The team I want to see is one that is not afraid to demolish teams by scoring goals or step off the gas a little knowing that they can score easy goals due to talent like Hodgson could do at times last year and let the D and goaltending just be solid enough to beat inferior teams.

It's the management and coaching combined that have a moneyball philosophy which was based on an Oakland A's team that didn't really do anything except overachieve one year and relied on star pitching which is the equivalence of goaltending in hockey. The Canucks need to get real winners with real talent and a coach to not be scared to use it even if they F up a few times with turnovers.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:40 PM

Cluttersuck you psychopath. Koivu, I remember you you dirty dog.


Those two showed exactly what I wish our guys would show in a game of this meaning.....why was burrows our only guy actually responding to the embarrassment that us thus teams effort lately....

And a side note: Anyone bad mouthing sestito can take a seat....this guy has shown up and played his role to a tee for guys he doesn't even know....and he's done it every night since hes been in a nucks sweater...some of the so called core group should pay back some respect to this guy and make an NHL level play out there let alone score a goal.

Bunch of coddled floaters.
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When the playoffs come around, nobody is scared of getting in a fight, but every night, they get their mom to check under the bed for Raffi Torres.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:00 PM

Doesn't matter how many bloody team meetings are called, when your captains and team leaders (Hank and Dank) are not leading on the ice then in the words of the immortal Bill Murray...I just doesn't matter!

That first line always seems to get caught running around in the defensive zone, the twins don't hit, block shots, kill penalties...all the things leaders of teams do to lead their teammates by example. I'm talking heart and soul team captains like Ryan Callahan, Dustin Brown, Toews, Landeskog, Ladd, Backes...etc. Even Sid the kid and Danny Alfredsson, while highly skilled, are stalwarts defensively and have an edge to their game that can inspire teammates.

I'm not down on the twins, I'm just suggesting that I think leaders that do more of the grunt work may be better able to rally the troops. Then again, maybe I'm way off on this.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:48 AM

I disagree.

We have several D who can make a good outlet pass! Problem is thats all they can do; not one can lug the puck out against pressure. And they're all lefties.

So in comes the left side lock and a forechecker to force our 5 left D up against the wall on their backhand to get the puck out; with three guys patrolling to pick off the pass.

:picard:

2knd; ref's have started to swallow!

17 penalties we've drawn the last 7 games. We drew 37 our first 7 games! If guys can clutch and grab our talent based play; we're F'D...

3rd;

we haven't scored in our last 20 PP's

Not much left? We need a trade to rejuvenate things!

3 words

decent outlet pass.

none of our dman can consistantly make it..
find someone that can do it, you will generate speed and an actual transition/puck possession, and you will see a return to that.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:44 AM

I disagree.

We have several D who can make a good outlet pass! Problem is thats all they can do; not one can lug the puck out against pressure. And they're all lefties.

So in comes the left side lock and a forechecker to force our 5 left D up against the wall on their backhand to get the puck out; with three guys patrolling to pick off the pass.

:picard:

2knd; ref's have started to swallow!

17 penalties we've drawn the last 7 games. We drew 37 our first 7 games! If guys can clutch and grab our talent based play; we're F'D...

3rd;

we haven't scored in our last 20 PP's

Not much left? We need a trade to rejuvenate things!


When you're playing terrible hockey you tend to draw less penalties. The league came out with a bang calling everything to inject offense into the game after the lockout to make hockey watchable while teams shook off the rust....less penalties are now being called across the league.

This team needs to learn to provide the effort required to score 5 on 5 and to force other teams to take penalties. This done while playing good hard hockey, with the lead already. Something the Canucks havnt done consistently since 2011
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:52 AM

Those two showed exactly what I wish our guys would show in a game of this meaning.....why was burrows our only guy actually responding to the embarrassment that us thus teams effort lately....

And a side note: Anyone bad mouthing sestito can take a seat....this guy has shown up and played his role to a tee for guys he doesn't even know....and he's done it every night since hes been in a nucks sweater...some of the so called core group should pay back some respect to this guy and make an NHL level play out there let alone score a goal.

Bunch of coddled floaters.

I loved burrows emotion last night. Showing that he doesn't like losing. Its really what we need right now
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:11 AM

There getting together to celebrate the upcoming of AV finally being fired and getting a new coach.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:11 AM

Doesn't matter how many bloody team meetings are called, when your captains and team leaders (Hank and Dank) are not leading on the ice then in the words of the immortal Bill Murray...I just doesn't matter!

That first line always seems to get caught running around in the defensive zone, the twins don't hit, block shots, kill penalties...all the things leaders of teams do to lead their teammates by example. I'm talking heart and soul team captains like Ryan Callahan, Dustin Brown, Toews, Landeskog, Ladd, Backes...etc. Even Sid the kid and Danny Alfredsson, while highly skilled, are stalwarts defensively and have an edge to their game that can inspire teammates.

I'm not down on the twins, I'm just suggesting that I think leaders that do more of the grunt work may be better able to rally the troops. Then again, maybe I'm way off on this.


It's not even just "heart and soul team captains" who give it the extra... I don't get why our top guys can't give the extra that even a relative newb does - take Hodgson as an example only... he's been accused of being comparably slow and soft to the Sedins when they broke into the league, though doesn't have the benefit of a twin he's been in tune with since birth, he's a mere 23 years old, in only his second full NHL season, on an arguably less talented team, just getting top 6 six minutes and experience playing against top lines and d pairings, still in the learning curve of developing a defensive game, and yet relative to the Sedins this season -

Hodgson -
11 hits, 12 blocked shots, 13 giveaways, 13 takeaways, 495 faceoffs @ 47.3 % faceoff (and improving)
19 even strength points (with 388:16 mins, with faceoffs in any zone, any game situation)
2 short-handed points (with 45:18 mins, seeing top 4 time on the PK)
0 power play points (with 58:28 mins, typically gets last 20-30 seconds of an already broken power play)
21 total points (10 goals, 11 assists)
-1 (on a team with 11 forwards in the negative)

Henrik -
9 hits, 4 blocked shots, 12 giveaways, 6 takeaways, 469 faceoffs @ 49.2 % faceoff (and getting worse)
19 even strength points (with 378:02 mins, choiciest offensive zone starts)
0 short handed points (with 0:07 mins, never sees the PK)
6 power play points (with 101:04 mins, first unit power play)
24 total points (6 goals, 18 assists)
+ 13 (on a team with 7 forwards in the negative)

Daniel -
7 hits, 2 blocked shots, 10 giveaways, 2 takeaways
16 even strength points (with 355:00 mins, choicest offensive zone starts)
0 short handed points (with 0:03 mins, never sees the PK)
7 power play points (with 101:01 mins, first unit power play)
23 points total (8 goals, 15 assists)
+ 9 (on a team with 7 forwards in the negative)

I'm not proposing that Hodgson is as good as either Sedin, but he's an interesting comparison because he's been labeled akin to them in terms of possible weaknesses (ie: being slow and soft). Yet the kid is only 23 years old, doesn't have a twin (aka: built-in chemistry mate), doesn't have the experience of the Canuck's top leaders, and he's playing on an arguably less talented team, so what-the-heck is wrong with the Sedins???

Perhaps AV should consider playing the Sedins in all game situations ala other teams' top stars? Give them (back) some penalty kill time, stop over-thinking all the in-game lineup strategies (ie: pulling off guys who just got on so the Sedins can take the offensive zone start, or pulling off the Sedins at other times to "save" them for an o-zone start), give up on the "have to have a right-handed shot" stuff, and actually SEE if Garrison might make for a better power-play point guy over Edler (particularly while the later is clearly struggling at the moment), etc.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 10:22 AM

Edmonton had a closed door players only meeting as well. Came out to a 4-0 lead in the first period against Chicago. Held on to beat them 6-5. ... just saying.

Edited by Neversummer, 11 March 2013 - 10:56 AM.

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