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#31 riffraff

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:19 PM

So explain the offensive collapses of the previous two seasons??


Perimeter play
Impotent pp
No secondary scoring

The same as this year.....the only difference is the value of corys contract and mgmts commitment to him.....the combination of our goalies $ value and to be fair as it turns out Ballards unitilized value = inability to sign scoring.

Edited by riffraff, 02 May 2013 - 03:25 PM.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:19 PM

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Regular season stats:

Goals for Canuucks: 127
Goals for Sharks: 124

CBJ put for almost as many goals as the Sharks with Letsestu as their leading scorer. Quit making excuses for AV and the coaching staff like they have nothing to work with.


which means that CBJ also almost scored as many as the Canucks
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:20 PM

Why? Because we are PREDICTABLE....
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:24 PM

I think it's because our team relies too much on the Sedin line to produce, and now as you can see they aren't producing. To me I think the Sedins need to keep their game simple and shoot. Last night we saw Daniel had two great chances to score but waited too long and by that time defenders came in the way. Also, we really need some secondary scoring from our 2nd and 3rd line. 4th line is the energy line - hits, fights etc. to get our team going when down.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:25 PM

Whoever is in charge of the powerplay should be fired immediately after the Canucks get eliminated.

MG goes and sign a PP specialist in Garrison and he doesn't even get a crack at the top PP unit.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:27 PM

I don't agree with AV's philosophy of adapting to the opposition. We are the favorites, they should adapt their game to ours.


And that's when the team's problems become glaring. The opposition, through solid coaching analysis and direction, adapts and adjusts to the Canucks game plan, thereby rendering the game plan ineffective, yet the Canucks coaching staff never seem to adjust and adapt, leaving the game plan unchanged and ineffective.

There's a reason why we blew 3-0 and 2-0 series leads in 2011 and were useless against the Kings last season.

There's a reason why AV is a fantastic regular season coach but in a 7-game playoff series against the same team and coaching staff...

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:45 PM

It's because of AV's coaching style and because we havea nobody on the team who can play in pressure cooker ssituations and put the team on their back.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:47 PM

I don't think I have ever hated the statement "Defense wins championships" more than now.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 03:56 PM

I think the problem is, they are not taking the puck to the scoring areas. They seem content to just battle for the puck in the corners and pass around the perimeter. Eventually you do need to be more aggressive with the puck, challenge the defense, and take it to the slot. Ever since the Boston series the other team has boxed us out and we need to step up and challenge the box.

Also get the D pinching up again just like in 2011. Put pressure on the wingers so they can't get the puck out of the zone.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:04 PM

I don't think I have ever hated the statement "Defense wins championships" more than now.


It's a strategy that works really well actually......... when you can score goals.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:06 PM

Perimeter play
Impotent pp
No secondary scoring

The same as this year.....the only difference is the value of corys contract and mgmts commitment to him.....the combination of our goalies $ value and to be fair as it turns out Ballards unitilized value = inability to sign scoring.


I hate to harp on this but it seems to me if you want to do well in the SC you have to design your team in a way that achieves it. Boston did it, LA did it and it looks like the Pens or Chicago might be doing it this year.

MG saw why we failed in 2011 and he should have bolstered up these areas. We didn't win because we lacked physicality it was because our physicality and along with it our scoring was worn down by the time we reached the Finals.

Everyone says on here you need a different type of team to win the SC. So it looks like we have failed to heed the obvious, once again.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:06 PM

I don't think I have ever hated the statement "Defense wins championships" more than now.

It's a strategy that works really well actually......... when you can score goals.


Best Defense is a good Offense. Heard that one too.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:13 PM

Because we have no "true" goal scorers.

No offense to Kesler who has a wicked wrist shot, but it's not a quick release and he rarely gets it off.

Daniel isn't either, most of his goals are from the close slot on a tap-in.

We have no offensive powerhouse players to overcome the tight D in the playoffs, which is why the Sedins will NEVER win a cup while being the go-to guys.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:33 PM

Hodgson would have helped with our offense.


MG screwed up on that one and in losing Ehrhoff. Kassian can't score and Edler has become this year's goat. Roy is obviously not good enough to save this terrible offence


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:35 PM

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:39 PM

Because we don't have David Booth in the lineup. He's a playoff powerhouse,

Edited by BigRedMachine, 02 May 2013 - 04:40 PM.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:59 PM

I hate to harp on this but it seems to me if you want to do well in the SC you have to design your team in a way that achieves it. Boston did it, LA did it and it looks like the Pens or Chicago might be doing it this year.

MG saw why we failed in 2011 and he should have bolstered up these areas. We didn't win because we lacked physicality it was because our physicality and along with it our scoring was worn down by the time we reached the Finals.

Everyone says on here you need a different type of team to win the SC. So it looks like we have failed to heed the obvious, once again.

A lot of what you are thinking is spot on. The fundamental dif between the current team and 2011 is the loss of Manny and therefore the FO dominance which fed the Canuck transition game. I do think the opposing teams have watched enough video of the Twins that they have learned to defense them or physically take them out. The Twins are as good as they are because they have practiced their game for 20+ years. They are trying to adjust their game but with mixed results. You mentioned both the Pens and Hawks which I consider to be finesse teams. The Pens have a more physical element which will take them to the finals. I don't think the Hawks have that anymore and could lose to either the Kings or Blues. IMHO if you want a look at the future of NHL hockey check out the roster of Ottawa. They have it right and the Blues are not far behind. The Canucks aren't there yet but they have some size coming.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 04:59 PM

I think the lack of scoring is tied to the fact that this team doesn't go to the dirty areas. Only goal scored last night...when they crashed the net. When was the last time you witnessed this group crash the net...they don't pay the price. Team is way too spoilt, no accountability.

I agree with the above...not having a true goal scorer has hurt this team.

Edited by 5nothincanucksohno, 02 May 2013 - 05:02 PM.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:01 PM

That's what happens when you have a defenisve style coach, who is afraid of taking chances, which shouldn't be the case when you have 2 of the best goalies behind you, just bad coaching.


Coaching is fine.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:03 PM

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:12 PM

Alain Vigneault discovered fired. Instead of putting the fire out with water he poured gasoline on it. That's why he ices the same useless players and plays a safe system so we can't create enough offensively. This team is either gonna win it with this coach or they're going to tear it down at least they can all share the blame this time and not just Luongo.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:20 PM

The Sedins are far to easily shut down. Everyone knows their MO by now.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:23 PM

We lack proven goalscorers up front.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:25 PM

Would you rather it be our defense and we lose 9-8 errrrrrr?
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:26 PM

Because it's always easier to defend.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

Is it a coincidence that our offense evaporates most out of all the teams that have consistently made the playoffs in the last few years? I refuse to believe it. 13 goals in the last 11 playoff games. I don't care if you put Patrick Roy in net during his prime.. you simply are not going to win playoff games at almost a goal a game pace. So the onus should be on our top scorers and coaching staff to do more. A lot more.

What adjustments do you guys think have to be made to score more goals? I think first and foremost, to score goals in the playoffs you have to have determination and grit. Crash the net, get in the goalies kitchen. Stand there and take the hacks and wacks. Make them uncomfortable. Yet all i saw yesterday were say a prayer shots from Raymond and unconfident, double clutching Sedin twins.

Skill can only take you so far when it comes to scoring goals in the playoffs. You have to WANT it. Don't look for the perfect plays, just fire at the net. Shoot at Niemis pads and get rebounds that way. Daniel needs to not think to much and just shoot.. he's looking like Henrik out there.

I also suggest stacking the lines like some teams do in the playoffs. It is known to have success. Just look at Getzlaf, Perry and Ryan line a couple years ago. Very difficult to contain. We can have two stacked lines with the players we have. Putting weaker players with better ones will not make the weaker players significantly better (unless your Crosby like talent wise).

What are some of your guys suggestions? Is this more of a coaching thing or something players have to fix from within? Clearly offense is what is wrong here. If we score more than a goal a game I believe we have the defense and goaltending to go deep this year. Go Canucks!


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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:29 PM

mid way though the finals with boston vancouvers identity changed they went from a scoring team to a team that TRIES to hit and check hard, protect the lead and ended up trying to play bostons game and lost.ever since then even with roster moves the canucks became more worried about getting size than adding skill.subsequently the team lacks the skill it needs but it has the plugs that AV loves. this team has no identity again. are they a hard hitting checking team not really, are they a skilled beat you on the score board (like they where the year they went to the finals) nope,are they a hard working full effort for 60 minutes, not even close.
are they a team that will likely get eliminated in the first or second round again yep. poor coaching in the playoffs has plagued this team, inability to make effective adjustments during a series and playing players that should only be used as a last result ahead of more skilled players has been AV's M.O.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:37 PM

I'm not sure if the problem is that OUR offence is drying up. Watching the eastern playoffs looks like entertainment whereas watching western playoffs looks like watching kim kardashian scratch an itchy spot in the middle of her back. Especially last nights game. I know it was ony one playoff game but the Canucks have been playing like this for the last couple years for the most part. When you play to "not lose" you have to play almost flawlessly. So when you get a night like last night where we took a few undisciplined penalties, fail to clear the puck, fail to clear the front of the net, fail to take a hit to get the puck out, fail to communicate between goalie and dman, etc you lose and you can't come back.

Oh and you should probably shoot if you've got the puck 5 feet in front of the net and no dmen around you and do it as quickly as possible. The goals where Raffi Torres gets an own goal count just as much as a Tic-Tac-Toe slide into the open net Sedin special. Should have gotten a new coach. This coaching staff has failed to keep things fresh. Everyone who's ever watched a Canucks hockey game know exactly what the Sedins are going to do - slap pass, mason raymond - curl on the half boards, edler - drop pass. Powerplay doesn't work because they're too predictable. They need to shoot quicker to get it past shot blockers before it even has a chance to get to get deflected or hit the hit. Then we can worry about winning puck battles and races to loose pucks in the slot etc. What do I know anyways. All I know is that its damn boring to watch. Can't win them all but holy crap is it boring.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 05:55 PM

That's what happens when your GM gets rid of all your offense like

Hodgson, Erhoff, Saumuelsson, Grabner etc.

and replaces them with 3rd and 4th liners who can't score.

I mean even I knew Raymond was going to fail in the playoffs like usual without Schroeder. Schroeder was the only reason for Raymond's success this season.

But of course Schroeder gets sent down and doesn't dress in the playoffs when our main concern is always scoring.

Gillis and AV both need to go.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 07:37 PM

Unfortunately it's the style this team plays. Pretty passing and cycling works well in the regular season, but it is obvious that playoff goals usually result from lots of shots/rebounds and crashing the net. That is not something that our top lines do as well as most other playoff teams.
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