Whats up with Schneider now?

[Snake Doctor]

Yes, the team infront of him has not played well, but I do believe that Brodeur has not been as much of a great mentor as Luongo was last season. This leads to negative thoughts and a performance that is sub par.

[Frazzy Desjardins]

Most people expected him to carry the Canucks and be the savior....They believe we traded away the Sidney Crosby of goaltenders

That's true, some dumb*** I know once said that Schneider, by the time he retires, has the potential to be the greatest goalie of all time....

LOL...

I know. Seriously, he said that, we aren't friends anymore lol

[Patrick Kane]

Ok ok people, lets break it down

Wait a minute, your not allowed to go that in depth like that. And because your post makes too much sense none of the people bashing Cory's play as of late will even attempt to refute this post. They will completely ignore it only to go on saying he's terrible go without any true statical evidence

Yup, pretty much how it works.

[CanucksSayEh]

He barely even gets to play. They start Marty after Schnieds steals a game vs LA, then he doesn't get another start for weeks. He needs to be set loose to get on a roll like he did here. His numbers are okay, but still he could play much better, an im sure he will.

NJ better worry about keeping him happy, he's missing out on an Olympic spot to ride the pine and is a UFA in 1 more season.

[Intoewsables]

People are so misinformed. I wish I could confront some of you guys in a verbal debate. I can only type for much before getting annoyed, but here is my take on this.

1. Every goalie goes through slumps, I won't dismiss that he isn't playing the greatest right now. Luongo has had his slumps. Quick has had his slumps. Lundqvist has had his slumps. It simply happens to goalies and players.

2. New Jersey was giving Schneider poor goal support and Brodeur was getting much more

• 20 games in Brodeur was 6-3-2
  
• 20 games in Schneider was 1-5-3
  
• Brodeur has received 31 goals for in 11 games
  
• Schneider has received 10 goals in 9 games
  

Going a bit further, he's received 26 goals in 17 games for a 1.5 goals per game average.

Putting that in perspective, not even the worst offensive team in the league (Buffalo) averages that, as they get 1.68 goals per game.

3. Despite the myth Brodeur is playing better, he possess better numbers.

• Brodeur 2.38 GAA .902 S%
  
• Schenider 2.20 GAA .910 S%
  

Say what you want but the Devils has mismanaged Schneider... He's outplayed Brodeur, but the team doesn't show up in-front of him. He's a upcoming free-agent, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him walk and sign with a team like Philadelphia.

Look at yesterday... NJD mustered 12 shots while Chicago takes 37, and breezes through a 5-2 win.

Basically this. Using wins to evaluate goaltenders is never a good idea.

The Devils are shooting 5.8% when Schneider is in net and 9.5% when Brodeur is (at 5 on 5). Unless Brodeur has some sort of magical ability that makes his team shoot better, that's likely going to normalize over the rest of the season.

[Maniwaki Canuck]

Basically this. Using wins to evaluate goaltenders is never a good idea.

The Devils are shooting 5.8% when Schneider is in net and 9.5% when Brodeur is (at 5 on 5). Unless Brodeur has some sort of magical ability that makes his team shoot better, that's likely going to normalize over the rest of the season.

This is it. There's a big element of bad luck in all this, both Schneider's results and the Devil's as a whole. The team actually has very strong possession numbers: 6th best Corsi in the league, ahead of the Canucks who are 8th. However, their PDO is 95.8, which is 29th in the league, i.e. terrible. That number may reflect some permanent lack of shooting skill on the team, but normally ought to trend back towards 100. Bottom line: if the Devils could convert on their possession advantage at even an average rate, they would have a much better record. Just like us in the second half of November, the team is playing well but not converting. Schneider's starts are just an extreme version of this general pattern. It will probably get better if he stays calm and rides it out.

[Chauncey]

His team wins more with a 40 year old Marty between the pipes.

He has simply not been very good. He was sheltered by a team that was very good and played more defensive when he played compared to when Lui played.

Hah !

[Del Rio]

You are clearly living in the past. They don't play close to the trap style anymore. Mainly cuz they don't have the right personnel to pull it off as effectively.

And no, Brodeur was a huge reason why Brodeur got shutouts. He's a great goalie regardless of the team in front of him. The coach and GM built the team around Brodeur, not the other way around.

The OP is basically trolling and knows nothing outside of the Canucks. There's nothing wrong Schneider, but Brodeur is no push over. He's also one of the best puck handling goalies ever so he contributes to offense.

Clearly you don't.....i forgot the Devils are now a pure offense run and gun team now.

[Del Rio]

Correct me if i'm wrong but Cory has a better GAA than Luongo. Think about this now, Cory has only won 4 games and yet still has a better GAA average than Luongo.

Hah !

2.20 GAA for Schneider 2.24 for Lu.....0.04% difference lol get outta here

.910 SV% for CS .920 for Lu

But Schnieds GAA was top 3 just few weeks ago.

[Absent Canuck]

The stats you guys are looking at have no context at all.

You can take 50 shots a game from the outside and score zero or 5 shots from the slot and score 3. All the stats will tell you is in the first scenario the goalie will look great.

Its been way too many games for it to be mere coincidence anymore. The Devils definitely play a different game in front of Brodeur .

Cory has never been a very acrobatic goaltender. He is a positional goalie. The best way to play in front of him is in a very structured way. Keep everything to the outside.

Unfortunately, the Devils do not have the defensive horses to pull this off. They need a monumental backchecking effort from the forwards as well. Ergo the Devils generate far fewer scoring opportunities in front of Cory.

Brodeur has to make more difficult saves but fewer of them. The Devils play a firewagon kind of hockey in comparison. For the Devils that isnt much but in their system, anything out of context appears helter skelter.

I watch Brodeur games and the Devils have the puck more often than when Cory is in net. Cory is in a bad situation with the Devils. His style goes far better with a team like the Kings or Blues.

[Chauncey]

2.20 GAA for Schneider 2.24 for Lu.....0.04% difference lol get outta here

.910 SV% for CS .920 for Lu

But Schnieds GAA was top 3 just few weeks ago.

[Grapefruits]

So Schneider isn't getting it done in New Jersey so it's New Jersey's fault. When he was in Vancouver, it was because of him the Canucks won.

Fans are so damn blind to reality. Face it; Vancouver traded the lesser goaltender and kept the right one.

LOL! Because Luongo hasn't play like crap in stretches?

As for Schneider being the lesser goalie, their GAA and Save % are almost identical. Also, the team in front of Schneider now is really bad

[Del Rio]

LOL! Because Luongo hasn't play like crap in stretches?

As for Schneider being the lesser goalie, their GAA and Save % are almost identical. Also, the team in front of Schneider now is really bad

GAA is. .910 SV% and .920 I wouldn't consider identical lol

[Grapefruits]

GAA is. .910 SV% and .920 I wouldn't consider identical lol

That's why I said almost identical, but if you want to split hairs, knock yourself out.

[Nuxfanabroad]

If I were Ana's GM, I'd package Andersen(22 yo gt) & a top prospect for him. Then deal Hiller to a gt-desperate team like NYI. Schneids deserves to be on a contender.

[shazzam]

a couple of games against some strong offensive teams

PIT, CHI and ANA all top 5 in goals for

[shazzam]

People are so misinformed. I wish I could confront some of you guys in a verbal debate. I can only type for much before getting annoyed, but here is my take on this.

1. Every goalie goes through slumps, I won't dismiss that he isn't playing the greatest right now. Luongo has had his slumps. Quick has had his slumps. Lundqvist has had his slumps. It simply happens to goalies and players.

2. New Jersey was giving Schneider poor goal support and Brodeur was getting much more

• 20 games in Brodeur was 6-3-2
  
• 20 games in Schneider was 1-5-3
  
• Brodeur has received 31 goals for in 11 games
  
• Schneider has received 10 goals in 9 games
  

Going a bit further, he's received 26 goals in 17 games for a 1.5 goals per game average.

Putting that in perspective, not even the worst offensive team in the league (Buffalo) averages that, as they get 1.68 goals per game.

3. Despite the myth Brodeur is playing better, he possess better numbers.

• Brodeur 2.38 GAA .902 S%
  
• Schenider 2.20 GAA .910 S%
  

Say what you want but the Devils has mismanaged Schneider... He's outplayed Brodeur, but the team doesn't show up in-front of him. He's a upcoming free-agent, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him walk and sign with a team like Philadelphia.

Look at yesterday... NJD mustered 12 shots while Chicago takes 37, and breezes through a 5-2 win.

here is the post of the thread

[Ronalds.Kenins41]

VAN Defence >>>>>> NJ Defence.

So wrong in every way in terms of keeping the puck out of the net they have a much better defense and in theory schneider should have better stats compared to Lu.

New Jersey since 93/94 has had a history of playing stifling defense. Right now they have the least shots allowed in the league per game at 24.8. And they have the 5th least goals allowed in the east.

They just don't have the scoring support upfront. They are 24th in goals for in the entire league while they are 12th in least goals allowed. If they had more scoring support they would have been in the top 5 in least goals allowed.

[Absent Canuck]

here is the post of the thread

The info is there but he isnt telling the full story. After this amount of games, there is a reason why the Devils are not scoring. They are playing a different system in front of him.

[spliced]

His numbers aren't that bad, I think he's just a bit frustrated at not getting to be a starter yet.