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#61 nuck nit

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 11:18 PM

Who is Santorelli?

He is the $550,000 man that saved the Canucks.Paying him disrespect does not pay respect to his contributions as a Canuck.
So sad is the Canucks depth that when he went down so did the Canucks season.

Edited by nuck nit, 15 March 2014 - 11:32 PM.

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#62 nuck nit

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 11:31 PM

@nuck nit: Fair enough mate, I misunderstood you.  I thought you were saying Gillis had signed him as a free agent.

No worries. I know what you were saying.
In the Luongo deal ,Luo was signed by the Panthers to an arrangement whereby the Canucks continue to be responsible for a portion of his salary (15%/$800k per year) for duration of contract.
Separate contracts would be signed with the Panthers and Canucks in this player transfer.
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Posted 15 March 2014 - 11:35 PM

He is the $550,000 man that saved the Canucks.Paying him disrespect does not pay respect to his contributions as a Canuck.
So sad is the Canucks depth that when he went down so did the Canucks season.


When?

Played one full season in his career; 2010-11. You look at the injury history; almost none. You look at the recalls list; plenty.

He's a fringe player. He's not "saving" anything, especially sidelined.

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 12:18 AM

^^ To be fair to Santorelli, he was a huge part of that 10-2-1 run we went on in December.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 12:23 AM

Santorelli is still 6th in team scoring with 28 points after being injured for 3 months now.

 

And clearly was the catalyst for us to lose.

 

He better be paid 2 million before David Booth gets another cent from fans.


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Keslerific, on 25 May 2014 - 4:47 PM, said:

Gaunce is wayy cooler though, Gaunce is the kind of guy you want to bring with you to Costco

 

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 12:47 AM

^^ To be fair to Santorelli, he was a huge part of that 10-2-1 run we went on in December.

Unfortunate indeed and I do agree with your statement. However, since entering the new format this year and having to play the BIG teams of the old Pacific Division, I would tend to say that a player like Matthias has a much better chance of succeeding than a player like Santorelli.

Frankly, I do wonder if he fits on the grand plan of the upcoming retool/ youth movement, especially considering any or all of H. Sedin, Kesler, Matthias and Horvat are part of the fold.

Edited by Me_, 16 March 2014 - 02:58 AM.

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 12:49 AM

Santo is part of the bonafide power 4th line of Santo Hansen Higgins when we have 12 mil in cap sapce form Kesler and Booth being replaced by Entry Levels


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Keslerific, on 25 May 2014 - 4:47 PM, said:

Gaunce is wayy cooler though, Gaunce is the kind of guy you want to bring with you to Costco

 

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 12:55 AM

Buyout Booth and add the cap savings to a deal for Santorelli.

 

He has proven that he is a good third line center at the least.

 

Outside of the Sedins he is probably the best play maker on the team unless Horvat makes the team as expected next year as the third line center.

 

2 year deal for 1.75 mil.

 

Next year's forwards potentially...

 

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows

 

Higgins-Matthias-Santorelli

 

Jensen-Horvat-Kassian

 

Sestito-Richardson-Hansen

 

Dalpe/Lain/Archibald


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 12:56 AM

I see people saying Santorelli isn't a top 6 forward or a 2nd line tweener at best, but I recall him having the exact same point total as Kesler, playing in a less offensive roll.

Higgins and Santo seem to have better chemistry than Higgins and Kesler. Have Santo anchor the second line with Higgins. Then we could sign a guy like Moulson or Vrbata to play the right side. That could look like a decent second line, two shooters and a playermaker.

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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:33 AM

Not with the Canucks
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:36 AM

You guys are harsh low balling him. The cap is going up to a rumoured 70m, divide that by 22 players and your average roster player should be making 3.2m. Santorelli is well above avg, and is about to go to UFA in a pretty weak year.

He'll be sought after outside of Vancouver, so make him happy 3 years at 3m. Keep in mind players like Booth are making 4.2 and are highly disappointing. 3 - 3.5 for Santorelli is a bargain.


LOL and that takes the cake folks.

No way he get anything north of 2.0M per. I'm thinking 1 year 1.5M works for both parties.
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:47 AM

Santo is a no brainer re-sign.
 
Obvious what he brought here, but the stats do reflect it as well.
Aside from the points:
22 takeaways, 7 giveaways +15
Only 43.2% offensive zone starts agains strong competition - and extremely productive in that context.
44 blocked shots in 49 games.
51.3% in the faceoff circle - again, facing quality competition.
 
Great energy on the forecheck.
Strong on the puck and a very good cycler, particularly for his size.
Very good playmaker who also goes to the net/hard areas and isn't above scoring ugly.
Terrific work ethic, conditioning, and upbeat/charismatic presence.
Really want to see him back regardless of the depth or where people may envision him in the lineup.  He's exceptionally versatile.
That said, I think his injury will get in the way of him getting the contract he may have been on course to command - there still may remain an element of "could he have sustained that?" or "will he return to that form?"   I don't doubt he will, and I'm not for lowballing him, but at the same time I could see him signing a 'bridge' deal that recognizes both what he brought, and the team that wanted him.


Well said. I wish we had more players with his work ethic/attitude. I'd prob go up to $2.0M per on a 2 year deal. That's almost 4 times what he made this year. Sure he could probably fetch a few hundred K more on the open market but you know he wants to be in Vancouver. This should be an easy signing.
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:52 AM

I hate when you guys say trade Kesler. He is our best player ainec. Without him we would be contention for the first overall pick

 

He doesn't want to be here. You don't keep someone who doesn't wanna stick around


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:56 AM

Everyone is speculating about Kesler potentially moving on.
Who do you 'replace' him with?  I'd be happy to see a guy like Stastny signed if at all possible, or a player like Dubinsky back in a package if Columbus is a possibility.  Couturier+ if Philly is serious.  Sobotka as part of a St Louis deal.  Kesler is obviously a quality center, but not the only two way center out there, and if an additional asset or two comes as part of a retool deal, it's pretty hard not to at least consider the options seriously.


If we traded Kesler for a monster package and then signed Stastny at around Kesler`s salary I`d be STOKED! I never really thought of signing him before but it makes all the sense in the world if we`re trading Kesler.

Should be an interesting summer!
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:26 AM

I'd say he'll get 2 to $2.5 per year, though some team might be stupid enough to offer his something absurd and above that.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:41 AM

^Agree. 2 to 2.5.

I really hope we keep him. I'd like to see him at 3W, and push hansen down the line up.

I'd rather give him more $, than term. (and NTC clause) lol. Half a season versus, a career of mostly mediocre numbers...I don't think anyone's giving him Clarkson money.


something like...

Sedin Sedin Jensen
Higgins Kesler (or trade return) Kassian
Burrows Horvat Santorelli
Booth Matthias Hansen
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:44 AM

I meant 2 million TOTAL....so 1 million per year.
 
Plus if we sign him to just one year and he gets the expected 40-50 point production he has shown being capable of...expect he would want 2.5+.


I don't think anyone expects Santorelli to put up 40-50 points. He had a great first 30 games here but he faded hard before he was injured. 2-0-2 and -5 in his last ten games. Historically he has completed one season and other than that his career high in games played is 60. It's dangerous to give contracts out on expectations that are unlikely. Especially when a player is going to be 29 next year.

And nothing against Santorelli. He played great for a while and was a bargain signing for sure. It was a major victory for Gillis.
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 02:49 AM

I don't think anyone expects Santorelli to put up 40-50 points. He had a great first 30 games here but he faded hard before he was injured. 2-0-2 and -5 in his last ten games. Historically he has completed one season and other than that his career high in games played is 60. It's dangerous to give contracts out on expectations that are unlikely. Especially when a player is going to be 29 next year.

And nothing against Santorelli. He played great for a while and was a bargain signing for sure. It was a major victory for Gillis.

These are all valid points. He has surprised many.I hope he can light it up again. I highly doubts he signs anything big and we get to see more of his effort for a descent price.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 07:03 AM

Unfortunate indeed and I do agree with your statement. However, since entering the new format this year and having to play the BIG teams of the old Pacific Division, I would tend to say that a player like Matthias has a much better chance of succeeding than a player like Santorelli.
Frankly, I do wonder if he fits on the grand plan of the upcoming retool/ youth movement, especially considering any or all of H. Sedin, Kesler, Matthias and Horvat are part of the fold.


Just because he's smaller stature compared to Matthias doesn't really give him a disadvantage..
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 07:09 AM

Well said. I wish we had more players with his work ethic/attitude. I'd prob go up to $2.0M per on a 2 year deal. That's almost 4 times what he made this year. Sure he could probably fetch a few hundred K more on the open market but you know he wants to be in Vancouver. This should be an easy signing.


The guy doesn't get enough appreciation..
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 10:30 AM

lol everyone scared of pay raises and they should be. After the Hansen, Burrows, Edler and Sedins results after their pay raise MG should realize everyone who gets one typically plays worse the year after. 


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 10:33 AM

^^ To be fair to Santorelli, he was a huge part of that 10-2-1 run we went on in December.

Without hank(oct and dec) and santo we would be in last place this season no doubt about it.


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 01:48 PM

Had no clue what would he bring to this team but quickly became one of my favourite players. Works hard, very creative with the puck and can win draws.

2013-14 Vancouver Canucks* NHL 49 10 18 28 6

For league minimum salary, those are very respectable numbers.

The most I would give him is 2.5mil each year for 2/3 years.

Possible lineup with him resigned:

Sedin - Sedin - Jensen
Shinkaruk - Santorelli - Higgins
Hansen - Horvat.Matthias - Burrows
Sestito - Matthias/Dalpe - Richardson


(Kesler traded for prospects and picks.)


Do you think the Canucks will resign him?

 

 

One of my favourites as well!


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 03:11 PM

$1m per year Max.

Lol your cheap.
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 03:24 PM

5 year 2.5 mil NTC? :bigblush:
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Posted 16 March 2014 - 07:38 PM

He had a great start to the year.  Well exceeded expectations.  Got hurt and ended his season early. Had he finished the season we would have had a good idea of his potential.  Now there is some guessing.  Canucks will not want to give him term.  He will likely be offered a one year deal to prove himself.  Canucks will offer  up to 2m.  There is a risk that he will be offered more money and longer term by another team that is willing to gamble. 


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Posted 16 March 2014 - 10:23 PM

The lines without any free agents should be.

D.Sedin-H.Sedin-Jensen
Burrows-Kesler-Kassain
Higgins-Horvat-Santroelli
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Posted 17 March 2014 - 01:41 AM

Yes a No Brainer re-sign.

 

Prior to his injury I suggested 2 years, perhaps 3 times $2.2 mill.  The guy played center on our 4th, 3rd and 2knd lines this year, RW on our 4th, 3rd, 2knd and 1st line and some LW. Did not look out of place anywhere, although it could be argued he was hitting above his weight.  He checked his arse off, won puck battles was good on draws, killed penalties, took the puck to the net, was responsible defensively, had a nice collection of a Cpl of snipes, some smart passes, garbage goals and sheer effort of digging plays. 

 

He was no worse than our 4th best forward, as hard working as Higgins offering more flexibility and a Cpl more skills. 

 

$2.2 mill should be fair considering his age and how often he put up such seasons.  I would pencil him to play 3rd line, confident he will make other players, like Jensen or Horvat, earn their positions and let their top end skills ultimately win over. And we would still have room for him!


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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:38 PM

5 year 2.5 mil NTC? :bigblush:


According to people's mancrush in Santorelli:

5yrs/ 5Mil per year NMC.
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Posted 17 March 2014 - 12:46 PM

Santo was a find for the Canucks and I'd love to see him stay with the team. 1.5 million cap hit over two years. If he had kept up that pace and played a full season, he could have commanded 2.5 million a season.
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