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    [PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Boston Bruins | Nov. 13, 2022

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    11 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said:

    Smurfs can't throw 'em like Ryp could.

    You know what I mean, on our team we can (and should) keep Quinn and Petey, but not also Rathbone and Hoglander and Garland and anybody else who can't answer the bell for themselves.

    Yeah I here you.  Imo that's more of a cup contender type of conversation.  We aren't at the point where we can pick over why we aren't going deep in the playoffs.  We can't even get there to see how it goes 

    [PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Boston Bruins | Nov. 13, 2022

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    4 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said:

    As a fan, watching the games, if the team has difficulty winning, it feels better and is more fun if you win the fights and intimidate the other team.

    They can point to the scoreboard (ala Gretzky) but if he didn't have Semenko et al, he would have had to do it with a broken nose.

     

    So yeah, some of our worst lineups had a lot of tough guys who could really throw down.

    When you have both talent and toughness, then you can consider winning chamipionships.

     

    No more smurfs.  (We have more than enough.)

    Depends on the smurf!  Rypien was fairly small.

     

    And yeah I agree.  You need balance.  It’s a team game after all.

    [PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Boston Bruins | Nov. 13, 2022

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    18 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said:

    You know, you're right: 'toughness' is whole lot of things.

    For one thing, just to play pro hockey, let alone make it to the NHL, you have to be tough.

     

    At the other end of the scale there are players like Gino Odjick who allow your Bures to perform.

    I am of the opinion that you can only have a very few small (untough?) players on the team if you want success.

     

    You have to save these spots for your Hughess and Petterssons; i.e. your very elite players.

    I still see heavyweights on Stanley Cup Winners and a lot of tough customers throughout their lineups.

     

    I do not mean goons (this is often misrepresented); I like smart, and really tough guys, who make the other team give up power plays.

    I look at Las Vegas in the bubble and almost all of them could skate (you gotta get there) and hit hard, and it messed us right up.

     

    When you play like that, you gotta back it up; you don't have to win every fight, but you have to stand up and much better to beat the Living Marchand out of the other guy.

    I get a lot of flack for this opinion but I wonder, was there ever a Stanley Cup Championship team without it?

     

    There has to be a mix for sure.  All I'm saying is that when we've focused on fighting, we've had some pretty terrible teams.  The stats seem to verify it.

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    [PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Boston Bruins | Nov. 13, 2022

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    2 hours ago, Goal:thecup said:

    We have only had playoff success with tough teams: Smyl's, Linden's, and The Sedins' teams were all tough, and in Linden's and The Sedins' teams' cases, maybe just not quite tough enough.

     

    Different kind of toughness and unfortunately not what most seem to be getting at when they talk about it.

    The type of toughness that you’re talking about, I agree with.

    Tank Hard for Bedard - Playoff chances are already Slim

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    3 minutes ago, CanuckRookieFan said:

    That's not true at all.. Oilers in the 80s had a plethora of elite players a super core they build around Gretzky.

     

    A crutch is relying on ONE standout player that somehow is better than everyone else (which is an enigma on its own as everyone in the NHL top 20 scoring is almost identical in skill and ability given they are all elite so how can someone still be above elite).. 

     

    Basically if you have a #1 draft pick generational talent your team accomplishments will have an asterisk. There is something to be said winning as an underdog or winning without elite assets now thats impressive i am sorry but I think most would agree with me.

    I hear you!  You're right about the Oil.  Their team was bonkers!

     

    Underdog stories are cool no doubt.  There's a reason why movies are made about them.  I still don't think any of Gretzky, Lemiuex, Crosby, Ovechkin, Orr, Howe etc. have "asterisks" next to their cups.  

     

     

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    [PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Boston Bruins | Nov. 13, 2022

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    19 minutes ago, ABNucksfan said:

    Kessler played a tough game and was a huge reason his teams made the playoffs and went far in the playoffs. He had to mitigate the toll on his body. 
     

    Bo’s the leader and has led this team into being a bunch of soft bend over and take it “pussy’s” just like you said. Hes the biggest player in the NHL who has gone the most games without throwing a hit.

     

    Thats not the kind of leader that takes a team to the NHL playoffs and beyond.

     

    Ill be happier than a pig in shit when Soft as butter Bo is traded. 

    I'm not buying it.  We're middle of the pack for hits. (15th I believe) That's not our problem.  We also lead the league in fights if I'm not mistaken.  We had a lot of fights from 1997-1999 as well.  Pretty terrible years.  

     

    I'm open to having my mind changed but I feel like we haven't had a lot of success with "tough" teams in our city.

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    ***The UFC/MMA THREAD***

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    10 hours ago, HI5 said:

    So was Khamzat was supposed to fight winner of these two? If so, he beats both..but this Peira guy is big and through some nice punches.

    He's not even close to a fight against either of them.  In their division Chimaev hasn't fought anyone ranked in the top 15.  

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    ***The UFC/MMA THREAD***

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    10 hours ago, Canuckster86 said:

    Fuck Yeah!!! I know it won't be popular on here but I am glad Adesanya lost

    I have mixed feelings on him.  Fun to watch but super cringe in interviews.  Pereira is definitely easier for me to sell to my friends who don't watch all the time.  "See that big guy?  He's gonna punch and kick real hard!"

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    ***The UFC/MMA THREAD***

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    2 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

    Should be a banger.

    I've got DP winning.

    If Chandler fights patient though, he might pull it off. He's really good

    He needs to shoot!  DP will bust him up if there's no takedown threat.  

    I think DP wins but I think Chandler is a tougher style match for the champ.  So I guess I'm cheering for Chandler?

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