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I’m old enough to remember this being the worst contract in franchise history.

Since when is Florida a city?

Myers is 29, why on earth would anyone be concerned the Canucks give him a 10 year contract?

And Goldy.

Can we please at least keep the Benning bitching to threads, that you know, involve Benning? Too much to ask?

10 bucks says it’s from the guy who posted it.

New Dorsett. Keep him.

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Nvm

@SabreFan1 is probably laughing at the offers on the last few pages and so is the Sabre’s GM. People here are way undervaluing what it would take to get Ristolainen. And maybe this is just me, but in the entire time Benning has been GM when has he ever gone for the flashy high end star players in trades? Pretty much every trade has been unexpected by myself and probably a majority of the fan base. I don’t see him starting now with how much it would cost us to get Ristolainen. Benning always goes for the guys that the media and other GM’s don’t talk about much, if ever. I mean raise your hand if you saw J.T. Miller talked about anywhere on this forum or media outlet prior to the trade announcement? Because I sure didn’t. I’d love to get Ristolainen, but I doubt we’re in on him for a few different reasons, mainly cost and not being Benning’s type of player he targets.

Most points have been discussed to death already and I probably should have posted this on my defense of the trade data post, but something to note is that there is a BIG difference in the value of a 1st round pick in the top half (1-15) and the bottom half (16-31). There’s also a big difference in the likelihood of getting a .5 PPG player in the top vs bottom half. Unless the Canucks $&!# the bed for the next two years in a row, the pick we’ll be giving up is a bottom half first. A player with a .5 PPG career average could only be found in 7-33.3% of the picks in the 16-30th range each draft. I’m definitely ok giving up that for a prime year J.T. Miller on a bargain contract.

Is this your first time on the forum? That’s the norm and why I mostly lurk.

Different opinions are fine, but you’d be mighty lonely having the opinion that the general manager of the entire Canucks organization has “not once (never) tried to get a premium for their assets”. They may not succeed in getting a premium, but they definitely try to. No GM tries to give up assets for a low return, regardless of your opinion on the issue. Every GM in the league is trying to get as much as they can for what they have, that’s literally in their job description. It’s also why Jim Benning is currently being paid to manage the team and we are posting on an online fan forum about how we think he should manage. In the end it matters little what we think, the market and circumstances determine the price for an asset and it’s only as high as what someone else is willing to pay at that moment.

A post in defense of the Benning trade. I’m not going to read all of the last 100 pages of nonsense and I am only a random internet user, but here’s how I see it. The cost of a top 6 forward today is a 1st rounder. Add in a contract already signed through the players prime years (26-30) at a bargain AV of 5.25m and it’s worth an extra 3rd rounder. Throw in a contract wasting player to the Lightning that allows more room for the Canucks to maneuver and there you have the trade. Remember J.T. Miller was drafted 15th overall in the 2011 draft. The conditional 1st round pick in the trade is also lottery protected. That means the Canucks either miss the playoffs in 2020, keep the pick and give up a 2021 1st rounder when we’ll in all likelihood make the playoffs resulting in our 1st round being in the 16th-31st range or make the playoffs this season and give up a 1st round pick in the 16th-31st range in 2020. If we miss the playoffs for the next 2 years in a row that is the only scenario we give up a pick higher then 16th overall. J.T. Miller has played 435 games and is averaging conservatively .5 PPG over his career (237 points total). Let’s compare that with the players picked 16th-30th from 2005-2014. 2014: 3 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2013: 1 player out of 15 has a .5 PPG career average. 2012: 2 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2011: 1 player out of 15 has a .5 PPG career average. 2010: 4 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2009: 3 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2008: 3 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2007: 3 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2006: 2 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. 2005: 3 players out of 15 have a .5 PPG career average. From 2005-2014 a total of 63 players out of 150 possible picked from 16th-30th overall played more games than J.T. Miller has. Even considering that defenseman and goalies skew the numbers (as most aren’t high scoring) it’s at absolute best a 50/50 shot to get someone of J.T. Miller’s longevity of nhl career in the 16th-31st range of the draft as of now. He’s also likely to pass a lot of the players no longer in the league over the next 4 years too, making the chances of finding someone like J.T. Miller even lower. Going by the .5 PPG benchmark shrinks the chances further. This doesn’t even take into account the possibility of trading for any 1st round picks in the next year or two either. The question I pose to CDC: Would you give up at best a 1 in 2 chance to get someone with a career as long as J.T. Miller playing on the Canucks in 5 years or getting a guaranteed J.T. Miller with a bit more experience and a bonus harder to find .5 PPG career average now? I sure as hell would even taking into consideration he’s a couple years older then our prime group age. I’m excited to see what he can do with us! I swear CDC would choose the mystery box instead of the boat, because it COULD be a boat.

I don’t usually call out spelling errors, humans are fallible creatures, but if you want to criticize it’s best to not do the thing you are criticizing someone else for. It makes one look like a hypocrite.