Convincing John
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1 hour ago, Bertuzzipunch said:
So ive been thinking. Myers is signed for 3 more years and schmidt 4. Realistically our time to be a consistent playoff team is probably in 2 years. At this time both players are well into their 30s. If we were able to get rid of one of them this offseason which one would you like it to be? Would you be okay getting rid of schmidt for a 3rd for what we payed for him.
the way i see it if we draft a big RHD in the 2nd which has a lot of talent this year he could probably be ready once myers contract runs out in 3 years. Which im okay with
Schmidt tho i dont know and dont think weve seen the best of him yet but still counts for a lot on the cap which can be used to find serviceable dman maybe even for a year where a lot of good defenseman will be UFAs. If he was signed for 2 years instead of 4 id be okay with but the contract is too long for our team imo.
who would you rather trade this offseason?
We could easily replace Schmidt within our organization. He is extremely redundant. Juolevi and Rbone will both be equal too or better than he is in 2 years. Easily.
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2 hours ago, Alflives said:
You definitely need a Huggy Bear:
Right on man, looks like you’re drug of choice is still upvotes derived from your edgy Facebook type humour.
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2 hours ago, tas said:
such insufferable whining. go find another team.
Can you mentor me? I don’t know how to carry myself on CDC. Your veteran leadership is what’s needed to make us all successful.
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1 hour ago, appleboy said:
Remember when they scored Schmidt for a third and this site lite up with people telling us that he was a top pairing D man. Now you don't hear that. I wonder why. Most of us said he was a solid D man and we were ridiculed. My feelings are still hurt. Cernak is not a top pairing guy. But he is big.
Jim has a full slate of draft picks . It would be wise to use the 1st and 2nd. Use the others to make some deals.
I want them to stay away from our high picks. LOL
I can’t wait to hear the people who worship Jim Benning’s draft record say that draft picks aren’t that big of a Deal. Hahah
They go on Google and quote their little probabilities.
Hear ye, hear yeplayers drafted after 8th overall have a 0.0045% chance of making team Canada, therefore drafting is a waste of time.
Then all the Benning buds shower the post with beer mugs and huggy bears.
While simultaneously
bashing their keyboard with tears flowing. Denouncing anyone who doesn’t ignore Jim Benning’s bush league roster decisions. Then they’ll give you a list of all the players he drafted. Hahaha. See!!!!
This is my little puzzle I like to try to figure out once in a while.
we can all agree that most of Jim’s mistakes have been made signing contracts and acquiring established players.
We can all agree that Jim’s home runs have come in the form of drafting.
When is he going to just trust his area of expertise and use/ acquire some draft picks? If he followed this philosophy from day 1 we would have the same core at the very least, clearly more, at a fraction of what he is paying. This would be the time to start adding veterans with your ridiculous amount of cap space. We are now further behind from trying to get further ahead. That stupid “age gap” cost us like 5 years.
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8 hours ago, Dazzle said:
You forget that Tampa Bay had the luxury of a good team set up, with loads of their prospects that are playing for them. All the while legally circumventing the cap. Uh huh.
And meanwhile, Gillis didn't draft squat except maybe two players, leaving Benning a black hole for prospects. The comparisons between the two teams are not fair at all.
Holy crap man, that was years ago. If you were born the day Gillis was fired you would already be old enough to understand that Jim Benning is a horrible General Manager.
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On 6/25/2021 at 7:38 PM, 204CanucksFan said:
Yes because it would be nigh impossible to accommodate Cernak's MASSIVE $2.95 million cap hit. How could we ever manage such a monumental task?
You love Jim Benning cause you think like Jim Benning.
1st and foremost, Tampa Bay is as cap strapped as us. (as they should be with actual success). Why in the hell would they trade one of the most economically satisfying contracts on their roster? It’s like you guys think all the GMs sit around and say, hmmmmmm, what can I do to make Vancouver better?
All the branch Jim Benningians will burn in a compound worshiping every word he says. All of us who are sane on the outside looking in can’t believe how you all can blindly accept this trash and think you’re thriving.
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2 hours ago, 204CanucksFan said:
Actually 9 of those picks were traded within a week of the draft or at the draft. And what's the problem if we trade it for a Erik Cernak or Cal Foote. Both are young, on cheap contracts and would only help add to our depth at a position of need. But hey don't let facts get in the way of a good hate
Cal Foote? Are you high? I watched that loaf of bread play in Kelowna. Why would he even come up in a 9th OA conversation. There are probably 7 d in this draft with better upside than that potato. And Cernak hey? You know we are picking 9OA at the max cap right. Wth is Tampa gong to take back in salary. This isn’t EA sports dude.
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2 hours ago, 204CanucksFan said:
Top 10 pick acquired by trade in last 15 years:
2007 9th OA
2008 5th OA
2008 7th OA
2008 9th OA
2010 2nd OA
2011 8th OA
2011 9th OA
2012 8th OA
2013 9th OA
2014 10th OA
2017 7th OA
2019 4th OA
2020 3rd OA
Well it has become less common as we've moved futher along in the salary cap era it is still not that weird to see a top 10 pick moved with 13 traded in the last 15 years. If you expand the criteria slightly to the top 15 you end up with 40 picks traded out of 255 picks thats 15.7% of all top 15 picks in the last 15 years.
Please, 97.62% didn’t know they were trading away a top 10 pick. But go ahead and unfold the perfect blanket for the rushing rebuild picnic. It’s all about setting the tone improving the optics. If you know you have a 9th overall pick, you don’t trade it. Why? Because your team sucks a$$$ and when your team sucks you need to build a core through the draft. When your team is awesome, you can trade a 1st to make immediate improvements.
I honestly don’t even care. The bigger he screws up, the sooner his is gone, and the sooner we can start over.
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He is moving the 9th overall pick. Don’t even look at mock drafts or research players cause we aren’t touching that thing. In the past what? 10-15 years? There hasn’t been too many GMs stupid enough to move a top 10 pick but here we are guys.
Let’s get a NHL ready player, ready to sign a big contract.
this interview literally made me sick.
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Modelling your team to the flavour of the month is one of the biggest mistakes you can make in team building. Just pick a style and draft and develop to that style. One of my biggest issues with our team is we have no identity. Jim Benning struggles with finding players who complement each other, then when he does he lets them walk cause he has to pay for the duds that nobody wants.
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On 6/16/2021 at 10:05 PM, Canuck Surfer said:
People are ungrateful! And comment more than they watch hockey.
6'2'' RHD that can play 20 minutes a night. Up and down a line up. Kill penalties. On a shutdown pair. Or with a top offensive guy like
LeddyGiordanoHughes do not grow on tree's. Hamonic even drops the mitts...Such a player is worth more than $2 mill.
I get loyalty. But Hamonic is the guy I am more determined to keep than Edler. In part because we at least have other LHD.
His role is much harder to replace IMO.
I agree, I’d go as far as saying we need him more than Schmidt.
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On 6/2/2021 at 11:00 AM, ShawnAntoski said:
This context matters and only because of JBs’ drafting - does both teams seems to have similar pieces but the methodology is very different l.
Imo, Colorado is one of the teams that tanks all the way in a losing season: plays & showcases the future; whearas, the Canucks are constantly retooling cause there is no appetite for a tanking team in this market - just look at the discussions in this forum about the importance of the loser points agains Calgary: winning culture !I seriously can’t wrap my head around how Sakic and Benning can be compared. Mind you, Benning has the potential to do what Sakic did if he utilized his strength in drafting. If JB showed up, tanked, and collected as many draft picks as possible, we could very easily be lurking in the avalanche shadow right now. People are far too optimistic about our organizational depth. We have some horrendous holes where the avs have mountains.
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@Arrow 1983the avalanche patiently collected assets and drafted well. Over more than a decade. There is absolutely nothing patient about what we did here. I don’t know how on earth you came up with a blog explaining the similarities when there are absolutely no similarities in the method. They did not build a team from the basement at a max salary cap. They still, rarely give up futures for instant gratification. This is like comparing an Bag of beef jerky to a cow.
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I’m not convinced QH or EP are elite NHL players who can carry a team to the cup. I still believe we need our crown jewel. This doesn’t need to come from a top 3 pick but it would definitely increase those chances. I don’t think that player is even in this years draft. The only dark horse in our core that has the potential to be our Savour is Demko.
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11 hours ago, DeNiro said:
It could be argued we have needs in every position.
BPA will get us a player we need.
We do not need another LHD, I’m sorry, everything else is a higher priority including another good Goalie prospect.
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7 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:
Never draft by position. Always go BPA. Or HIV. Both are acceptable choices.
At this stage we have positional needs.
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1. RHD
2. C
3. Winger
4. goalie
5. LHD
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31 minutes ago, amplified0ne said:
Whether guilty or not guilty, the issue is that Jake continues to put himself in these types of situations. I get this could have happened to anyone on the team and that the allegation against Jake dates back to 2017 but it continues to show his lack of commitment to hockey and to make himself a better player. He's lost potential millions in earnings because of it.
Wonder if his contract has a clause that allows the Canucks to terminate his contract? I guess if they did they would have done it by now? Or are they hoping to expose him in the expansion draft and if not picked terminate or buyout his contract after?
You nailed it, grow up Jake, you’re being paid millions to play in the NHL for the team you grew up loving. This is literally the life everyone on this board dreamed about at some point and he is throwing it away. All he has to do is stay home and not be a douchebag.
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2 hours ago, IBatch said:
I agree to a certain degree. Go tell that to the NYI after Trotz was hired, exact same team MINUS Tavares, their goals against went down like 50 goals, their goals for stayed very close to the same, and basically overnight they became a relevant team. He's the exception, not the norm. Quenville's first year was awful, second year outstanding. There is a small, very small, elite level of NHL coaches out there that can actually make a big difference in their teams fortunes. Trotz for me at least, is at the top of the pile. If you can't play defense before he's there, you certainly will learn to soon enough. Torts can do this for a team for a finite period of time too. CLB had no business beating TB and having some of the regular seasons they had, but with him it's always the same old story. Eventually he loses the room, has his favorites and his dog house guys and inevitably ends up unemployed. Not sure how many more reps he's got. Might have one more in him but it does work for 3 years or so before the other side comes out.
The rest of the pack, including Green, are just great coaches, in the NHL for a reason and plug away at it, Sure there is a pecking order as well but for the most part it doesn't matter who comes and goes, the team isn't going to react a lot differently over a 2 year sample size with basically the same lineup. Changing the coach does often come with a bump in play, because the players know they are up next IF they don't turn it around. JB and Green are working their Poile/Trotz game right now...sure hope it works out for us.
You cannot compare those teams to ours personal wise. IMO and clearly in Jim Benning’s opinion too, TG did well with what he had. We have huge holes in our d, and we need more top 6 forwards to displace guys into our bottom 6. I hate to bring this up because it’s redundant but TT was a huge loss. That is the exact player we need to do the above. We also need another elite C. Bo horvat is amazing. But imagine if he was shuffled down to more of a 2BC or a 3C. We would be a completely different team. IMO we are a Partner for QH and a centre to displace Horvat down the lineup away from being in the Tampa, Colorado discussion. Those are 2 major pieces that can only be drafted and developed. We currently have nobody in the system to fit that description
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Coaching is obviously important but people go off the rails about it and it’s totally uncalled for.
you want a better power play? How about a point shot? Or a PMRHD to complement Quinn.
Most of our problems are holes in the lineup. There isn’t this drastic variation in systems across the league like many imply. We need some very big pieces to become a better team, coaching will do little to change that.I see people complain about us just dumping and chasing all the time. Is green supposed to implement a puck possession style with the bottom 6 he has? It’s all about fitting the style with the players you have. That goes for the forwards and the D. We need an identity. We don’t really have one.
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21 hours ago, oldnews said:
you're a one-liner champion that postures via hyperbole/overstatement - and can't back it up with anything of substance.
He seemed to try to do too much at times. This created some pretty epic turnovers. You don’t need to pull out your little analytics charts to show me how wrong I am either. He was acquired for basically nothing. I loved the trade and still love the trade. I like the player, I was over the moon when we got him. After watching this season I don’t think he is a fit. What exactly is wrong with having this view? What substance do I need to form this opinion? I watched the games, saw him play and here I am.
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9 hours ago, oldnews said:
at least John buys your takes.
You’ll blindly defend anything lord benning acquires. I do love this trade, he gave up very little to land a good too 4 d man. IMO it just isn’t a fit for him here and there is no reason to be bashful about pointing that out.
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9 hours ago, Me_ said:
10OA19 bud.
He’ll be fine.
I didn’t say he wouldn’t be. Compadre
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On 5/31/2021 at 12:04 PM, PhillipBlunt said:
Now Schmidt is on the move? Sounds like Drance and Johnston are spitballing and nothing more. The issues with the defense start with Nolan Baumgartner. Bringing him back is a mistake that will result in the team continuing to be porous defensively, regardless of the personnel on the ice.
This rumor seems to be full of something that rhymes with Schmidt.
He was an utter disappointment. I think he was probably propped up by Vegas’ system and deep forward group. He made stupid decisions and looked completely overwhelmed. You can blame the coaching staff till you’re blue in the face but they can’t coach him out of throwing waffles to eleven in the upside down world and expect to win hockey games. Schmidt was completely exposed here.
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The future of schmidt and myers
in Canucks Talk
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I was excited for the trade, I love Schmidt, I thought it was a great price to acquire him. However, he just doesn’t seem to fit. It’s unfortunate.