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1 hour ago, VancouverHabitant said:
Thanks for the write up!
When it comes to Michov and Miro, would you say that one of the was more clutch then the other? Who scored/created the big goals when Russia needed them?
Hm. That's kinda tough. This team (Miro, Michkov, Gazizov, Kvochko, Rogovsky, Duda) has never really been involved in close games amongst their own age group. They walked all over the YOGs a couple years ago and weren't in any close games. It was a little different at U18s when they were under-age, but Michkov and Miro were key players. In the gold medal game, Michkov had the opening goal and 3 points in a 5-3 loss. Miro's line was held scoreless. In the semi-final against Finland, Michkov had a goal in the first, but Miro had the 5-2 and 6-3 goals in the third period of what would end up a 6-5 win. In the gold game at Hlinkas, Miro had the opening goal, and answered back after Slovakia's first goal to make it 4-1 in a game that was never really in question. The only game this team has been seriously contested against their own age group was the semi-final against Sweden at Hlinkas, where Miro was scoreless and Michkov had two key goals to lead the comeback (to make it 3-4 and 5-4).
OK, so I had to look up some scores there to be exact, and that's the objective side of it, but for the subjective side, I see Miro as more of the playoff-style player. Big, powerful, strong down low, protects the puck well, while Michkov is a little bit more of a perimeter player by comparison. I've seen enough of both already that I'm past the rose-colored glasses and have found the flaws. The biggest thing with Miro is he just needs to more consistently play that hard-nosed north-south game that makes him special, rather than relying on his skills, which aren't anywhere on Michkov's level. With Michkov, there's a lot not to like. He can be a little lackadaisical away from the puck and needs a lot of work on the defensive side of the game. He also tends to want to do an awful lot with the puck on his own, can be a little too eager to challenge defenders and even multiple defenders.
But ultimately, I'm not sure it matters. There are a handful of prospects every year - recently Perfetti, Kent Johnson, Lysell stand out - who have immense skill, but have various similar sorts of flaws that make you question their pro-translatability, and they're going to have to find a balance between learning to play a pro game while still doing what makes them special; but one thing is for sure, they will need to make adjustments for the NHL, and especially in the playoffs when competition goes up and things tighten up. I can't seem to stop citing Django Unchained lately, but of these players who are too skilled for their own good at the junior level, every once in a while, you have that "one in ten thousand" who is able to just keep doing what they are doing as they move up levels, right on to the NHL and the Stanley Cup playoffs - Patrick Kane, Nikita Kucherov come foremost to mind. And I think Michkov fits that description. Up to this point in his career playing against elite players years older than him, it's pretty much not even fair how much better he is than everyone else.
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After Russia started the tournament with the big line of Miro-Kvochko-Michkov, they soon split them up to spread around the offense. Not exactly sure the impetus for this, as they likely dominated the tournament either way. Part of it may have been the emergence of Demidov as the third line center. allowed them to roll three highly dangerous lines instead of just two. From what I saw looks like the most common lines were:
Perevalov - Kvochko - Michkov
Miroshnichenko - Gazizov - Rogovsky
Trikozov - Demidov - Sinyatkin
Lots to like about Perevalov's game. Looks like a smart 200 foot player. Some pretty good skills but not sure just how high end. Miro with Gazizov was a much different look than I'm used to for Miro. Although he loves to shoot the puck, I tend to think of him more as a playmaker. Having an elite playmaker in Gazizov setting him up was a ton of fun to watch. Gazizov is just 5'10 but he's a solid body at 187. Not sure how high-end the overall skillset is, but that kid can make plays - elite vision and hockey sense. Sinyatkin is another interesting prospect; more of your traditional Russian winger - smallish, elite puck skills, but I'm not sure how much else.
After Slovakia had dominated everyone else in the tournament, they met their match and then some against Russia in the gold medal game. Huge dropoff in talent after the top six forwards for Slovakia, and a pretty big dropoff after the big three (Slafkovsky, Mesar, Dvorsky), who were spread between two lines. Slovakia's top two lines were largely able to keep up with any of Russian's lines, but their bottom six was victimized by by Russia's bottom six, and as well as the big lines kept up, ultimately there's just no stopping Michkov and Miro.
The biggest surprise of the tournament for me was Jonathan Lekkerimaki for Sweden. I guess not a big shock, since looking at the stats going in he was a player I took note of, but I thought he was probably Sweden's best player in the tournament. His speed and quickness alone make him dangerous, but his shot and hockey sense also look pretty high end.
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On 7/21/2021 at 1:33 PM, Dazzle said:
How is this even possible in the NHL/KHL agreements?
The Nichushkin situation, if I remember correctly, was something that screwed over Dallas big time. I thought the NHL patched things up so that the KHL can't just poach players under contract.
How do you offer someone a contract that already has a pre-existing contract? And if so, there should be compensation when such a situation happens.
On 7/21/2021 at 1:48 PM, Dazzle said:This is actually bad business for the NHL. Would you feel good if the Canucks lost an impressive RFA in this way? No, this is beyond stupid for the KHL to be allowed this option.
Radulov with Nashville was probably the most glaring example. He was 22, gong into his 3rd full season, had just come off 58 points. Looked like a superstar in the making.
That said, you best believe the NHL and the team that drafts Matvei Michkov in 2023 are going to do everything they can for him to break his KHL contract, which runs through 2026. Same as Malkin did in 2005, and I'm sure others that didn't get the same publicity. It takes two to tango.
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35 minutes ago, Alflives said:
Don’t the vast majority of elite guys from Europe go from their league directly to the NHL? They play their until they are ready for the NHL. The elite guys from over here go to the NHL out of Junior or US college. It’s pretty rare for an elite player to be in the AHL. I think that’s the difference between the AHL and some Euro leagues. The Euro league’s will have several elite young future NHL stars that the AHL will not. But I think the AHL teams will have far deeper lineups.
You're being far too vague. The vast majority? What do you call elite? And which Euro leagues is the AHL deeper than? SHL or KHL? No. NL or Liiga? Yeah probably. There is something to what you say though.
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4 hours ago, Timråfan said:
Have you looked deeper into how the players from AHL did in different leagues when the plague stopped AHL?
I know there where a lot of AHL in Hockeyallsvenskan but I have no idea how good they were.
Haven't done any serious work on this list since last summer. Yeah the "plague" as you call it, will scew everything everywhere. Much worse even than the lockout years. I think the numbers young prospects have been putting up in the AHL this year are inflated because the overall quality of the league is down because NHL teams were carrying what? 10 or 12 black aces? Youth was served in AHL this year.
On your original point, in my opinion AHL is the 4th best league in the world in recent years. Maybe there would be valid arguments to be made in favor of NLA and Liiga, but the point is it is it one of the strongest leagues in the world. It is where players go when they want to get to the NHL. Top players can often make more money in Europe than in AHL, but go to AHL because that's where you get a chance to play NHL games, and also it is the closest style of hockey to the NHL - many NHL teams implement the same defensive structures to their AHL teams.
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1 hour ago, Dazzle said:
Much appreciated for yet another awesome insight. The way you laid it out like that with the leagues makes it easier to understand where the leagues all stand. I recognize a lot of the leagues based on their name, but if you were to have me re-order them in the correct rankings again, I wouldn't be able to do it. LOL.
I just decided to look up ACHA D2 on a whim (it was the lowest ranked hockey league), and from a very outdated Reddit thread, it sounds like they're actually "pretty good" by one poster (which really means nothing because it's so arbitrary of an assessment). What makes the OHL so much better than this league? Is it a matter of reputation, based on how many players make the NHL? or is it something else?
Also, Latvia appears twice on 13 and 14. Do they have multiple leagues? I heard is projected by some people to go to the ECHL or something this season, probably for more playing time.
Lol whoops. Latvia is not supposed to appear twice, no. Not sure which one is correct; pretty sure it should be the 14, as Latvia is a fairly reputable hockey country that produces some NHL players on occasion.
But yeah, pretty good by what standard? That's just as low as I have gone so far. It used to be out of ten but once I started getting into lower levels I had to make room. But if you look at where ACHA DII gets their commits from: US high school, PJHL, KIJHL, which are junior B leagues.
The main method for comparing leagues is look at players who played in multiple leagues and compare how they produced. For the lower level of youth leagues you start getting into too many degrees of separation to make good comparisons, plus you're dealing with too much development from year to year, so you also look at where the leagues are sending players. BCHL gets at least 50 players into NCAA DI schools every year. AJHL and OJHL get around maybe 20-40 in to DI schools every year. 5-10 for MJHL and SJHL. Then the lower level junior leagues like NOJHL and GOJHL get very few players in DI schools, but then you start looking at how many did they get into USports and DIII, and beyond that, into ACHC DI, and so on down the list.
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3 hours ago, Dazzle said:
Wow, Belarus2, isn't that where Klimovich is right now?
Maybe the QMJHL will be a better place for him to be aklimatized
AHL is quite a big reach for him - not that I'm doubting his abilities.
I also didn't realize how high of a ranking the ECHL is/was.
Klimovich played in Belarus2 the year before this. He played in Belarus Vyshaya this year, which is even lower level, as it is a junior league. If you're wondering why he went down in level, it is because Belarus does a U20 National Team that plays in Belarus2. Seems that they didn't have it this year, presumably because of covid. He was also supposed to play Q this year but that didn't work out, so he was stuck in Belarus' junior league, which I don't have ranked, but would estimate is worse than any Canadian junior A league.
And yeah ECHL gets a bad rap for being a goon league, but it is still a feeder league for the AHL and NHL systems. I haven't done a deep dive on ECHL for a couple years now; perhaps as the NHL and subsequently AHL are expanding, they may be drawing top players from ECHL. But yeah it's somewhere in the same range of the top leagues for the second tier hockey countries like France, Norway, Belarus. Until pretty recently I had it ahead of EBEL/ICEHL, but ICEHL has been making a serious push the past few years
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The fact that he's using data going so far back is troublesome. I get that theoretically, the more data the better accuracy, but leagues are constantly changing. Yeah the Czech league was a powerhouse back in the early to mid 2000s, but has fallen off drastically. I'm not a big math guy, but I've been keeping my own rolling list of league rankings since 2014. I believe I have a good foundation and update it regularly as things change. It is based purely on league quality, not NHL equivalency - meaning the big differences are I look at players' transitions going both ways, and they don't have to end up in the NHL at some point. And like I said, I'm not a math or data guy, so I just eyeball it. Analytics are a great tool, but they can only do what they're designed for, which in Bacon's case is rate the average league quality over the past 15 years, not in 2021.
My own rankings:
20 - NHL
18.5 - KHL
18 - SHL
17.25 - AHL
17 - SM-Liiga
16.75 - Swiss NL
16.5 - Czech Extraliga
16.25 - VHL (Russia2), DEL (Germany)
16 - HockeyAllsvenskan, ICEHL (Austria)
15.75 - Tipsport Extraliga (Slovakia)
15.5 - ECHL
15.25 - NCAA, Ligue Magnus (France), Metal Ligaen (Denmark),
15 - Fjordkraft Ligaen (Norway), DEL2, Belarus
14.75 - Czech2, SL (Swiss2)
14.5 - EIHL (UK), Mestis (Finland2), Kazakhstan
14.25 - MHL, USports, VHL-B
14 - WHL, OHL, HockeyEttan (Sweden3), Latvia
13.75 - QMJHL, SuperElit, SPHL, Slovakia2
13.5 - USHL, U20 SM Sarja, AlpsHL, MSL
13.25 - BCHL, NCAA DIII, Denmark2, Belarus2
13 - NAHL, Latvia, Norway2
12.75 - AJHL, ACAC
12.5 - OJHL, CCHL, Poland, France2
12.25 - MJHL, SJHL
12 - GOJHL, QJAAAHL, NOJHL
11.75 - BeNe League
11.5 - VIJHL, ACHA
10 - USPHL Premier
9.75 - ACHA DIIAs far as calculations, every difference of 2.5 in rating is a difference of x2. Meaning every increase of 0.25 in rating is a multiplier of 0.1. Mathematically, it is granite-rough, but it gives you a better idea of where leagues are at right now than a model with 10 and 15 year old noise in the data.
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5 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:
2022 and 2023 draft classes are making the 2021 draft class look weak in comparison. I'm only judging based on the Hlinka and U18s from earlier this year.
Lol don't get me started on 2023 already. And Russian has '24-eligible Ivan Demidov (late birthday + underage) playing well.
2022 is loaded with both high-end talent and depth. 2023 we know so far the top two are borderline generational, and then the next five or so beyond that (Gulyayev, Dvorski, Fantill, Jarventie), seem to be phenom-tier. 2021 didn't have any prospects I would consider phenoms, but still plenty of elite talent. To me, the big issues with the 2021 class are risk and time. I believe there are players in the top ten or 15 who will be very good and elite NHLers, but there will be busts, and there will be good players who take most of their RFA years to establish themselves.
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On 8/4/2021 at 7:05 PM, janisahockeynut said:
Darn you @HighOnHockey
I am just recovering from this years draft! And now you dangle all these juicy prospects in my face! Darn you!
Great write up thanks. I seriously don't get too hyped until Christmas time, and the world juniors..........
Alot can change in 8 months. (Ask Sean Day), Never mind 10 or 11 months, when the next draft happens
Again, thanks! Great Write ups. I wonder who will rocket up the board?
Yeah I know this well. I was really high on Shane McColgan, Teemu Pulkkinen, Martin Frk, to name just a few. These days I try not to be too specific with where they might be drafted; just players to watch. There's been a narrative on HF about a big three of Wright, Lambert, Savoie for a while. While it is a pretty safe bet Wright will go first, after that I prefer Miroshnichenko to the other two right now. And I don't think the difference between Savoie and Frank Nazar is so drastic. Savoie is more explosive and an inch taller. Nazar is crafty, creative, quick, shifty, and from what I've seen so far the best defensive forward in the draft. I will be very surprised if Lambert doesn't end up top five. I could conceivably see Savoie going number two, but could also pretty easily see him falling out of the top five. At this point I think the most likely D to go top five is Salomonsson, as I think he has more offensive upside than Luneau or Nemec, Chesley is getting some major hype, and the numbers back it up, but I haven't seen it in my very limited viewings of him so far.
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On 7/24/2021 at 6:12 AM, Isam said:
Nemic is a serious name to watch in this draft.
He must have had 15-20 shot attempts today. Dunno how many actually reached the net, but it gives you an idea of the type of player he is. Not sure I see an offensive dynamo there. Defensively though he's a behemoth. I'd probably have him as the third best D at this point, behind Luneau and Salomonsson.
1 hour ago, ShawnAntoski said:Enjoy, reading your post; and with the Canucks - always, in contend mode: can you perhaps list a few late round gems to keep an eye on (?) cause the likelihood, of JB trading our top two picks to fill current needs is very high.
Well it's really hard to say at this point because we don't know where guys will end up ranked. Someone I think is a gem at this point, probably other people will see what I'm seeing and they end up going high.
Gleb Trikozov will be a fun prospect to watch. Now that the Canucks have had Podkolzin and Klimovich as early picks, and Brackett is gone, we have to assume Chibisov ranks pretty high up on the scouting staff now. Upside could be monstrous, but he could fall quite a ways due to immature play (as Lysell or Perfetti did) as well as the Russian factor.
Nazar has superstar talent but will likely fall due to size. Couple Canadian prospects I like - could be late first round or maybe later - are Daniil Zhilkin and Liam Arnsby. Both centers, Zhilkin is a goal-scorer with size and skill, and Arsby is a 5'10 two-way guy with high hockey IQ.
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18 minutes ago, stawns said:
Conspiracy tripe aside, I'll bite on the hockey part
Once he goes to the Q, he's there until he's 20 (though there's grey area there and many of us here have been to wade through that), so he's not coming to Abby until he's 20 in that scenario. Further to that, once he's there the Canucks have no say over how he's deployed or in what situations he's used in by his Jr team. They can give him a diet plan and some workout regimens, but he's on his own to follow them. Given the intense game schedule in the CHL, I think that's closer to not happening consistently than it is to be a steady thing.
If he goes to the K, he is property of the team h plays for. He is under contract to them and they have zero obligation to follow any of the Canucks development plan for him. In fact, they will be actively trying to keep him in the KHL. In this scenario, he does play against better competition and against adults, which is the best course of action for him. However, the Canucks have no control over ice time, how he trains, how he's used etc etc.
To me, Abby is the best place for him
Conspiracy? I think you're confused. Trolls don't have to be bots or paid accounts. Some people just like to watch the world burn.
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Just now, Googlie said:
I am confused why you think @stawns is trolling. This is a legitimate discussion topic - would Klim's development be better served in the Q or the AHL?
(Unless my understanding of trolling differs from yours, ofc)
This is what good trolls do though. They take a legitimate position so it sounds reasonable at first glance, but then push it to ridiculous lengths. Look at what he juts did to you. He got you arguing that the Canucks would have less than zero say in the kid's development. don't get me wrong, I think you're right and it is a solid point, but it's pretty irrelevant. The more relevant point would have been how much say the Canucks will have in the Q, which is a lot more than near-zero. But the kicker is that little "why so insecure" comment. The whole point is to try to get under people's skin.
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40 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:
I expect the Canucks to pick between 20 - 25, but they should still get someone good in that spot.
Love the confidence man. I think it is somewhat warranted with the addition of OEL and Garland, plus another year of development from Demko, Pettersson and Hughes. I think this will be the draft the Canucks get their sought after bluechip RD prospect, even if it is in the back third of the first round.
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32 minutes ago, stawns said:
How is that trolling? That's how I'd approach it if I were JB.
Why so insecure?
Come on dude. Step your game up. At least AlfLives makes me laugh with his trolling. You are not amusing at all.
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1 minute ago, stawns said:
Why not? If he plays half the games, that's pretty valuable. In the mean time, he trains with the organizations development coaches, works with fitness experts and dieticians which is more valuable. He spends a year learning how to be a professional at 18 and ready for the NHL at 20-21, rather than starting that journey at 20-21.
Game play is not more valuable than practice/development time.
Oh I see. You're just plain trolling. I was ready to debate, but with this comment, never mind.
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Watching USA vs. Slovakia at the Hlinka-Gretzky Cup this morning. USA doesn't send their NTDP team to this, so not many players I recognize. They simply have no answers for Slovakia's big guns - Slafkovsky, Mesar and 2023-eligible Dalibor Dvorsky.
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18 minutes ago, stawns said:
Going to Abby doesnt mean throw him in and let him sink or swim. It means practice time with the team, individual instruction from development coaches, nutritional and workout regimens from doctors and fitness experts and it means sheltered game time.
To me, it's a no brainer having full control over his development. They should be doing this as often as they can, imo
Practice time with pros and all that is great, but he needs to play hockey. Not gonna get to do much of that in AHL.
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Sweden
Elias Salomonsson RD J20 Nationell Skellefteå AIK
An August 31 birthday makes him one of the youngest players in the draft and as a young under-age he looked just OK at U18s this spring. But his 1.07 p/g in J20 ranks best all time for defenseman, ahead of Erik Karlsson, Adam Boqvist, Rasmus Dahlin, Victor Hedman at the same age. Could conceivably go as early as top 3.
Noah Östlund C J20 Nationell Djurgårdens IF
Smallish at 5'10 and 163, but with 15 points in 10 J20 games only Robert Nilsson, Daniel Sedin and William Nylander put up better p/g at the same age.
Filip Bystedt C J20 Nationell Linköping HC
Big 6'4 center had 12 points in 15 games.
Ludwig Persson LW J20 Nationell Frölunda HC
As a late birthday I thought he was Sweden's 2nd best forward at 2019 U17s after Lysell, but hasn't quite progressed the way I'd hoped, falling down the depth chart at U18s this spring. Still plenty of skill and upside.
Simon Forsmark LD J20 Nationell Örebro HK
2003 late birthday, 6'2 defenseman was a top four defenseman for Sweden at both the U17s and U18s.
Finland
Brad Lambert C/RW Liiga JYP
Not much I can say here that people don't already know. But for anyone not particularly familiar, he is an elite skater with elite puck skills who is a wizard carrying the puck through the neutral zone, often circling back into his own zone to wait for an opening and then beating multiple forecheckers. When I first saw him at U17s he was listed at 5'10 and tended to play far too much on the perimeter; he's now listed at 6' and seems to have made major improvement in that regard. Is widely considered a consensus top 3 pick so far.
Joakim Kemell RW U20 Sarja JYP
I talked about Savoie and Nazar as the players in this draft who will lift you out of your seat. Kemell is not as explosive as Savoie, not as electric as Nazar, and not as powerful as Trikozov, but he would be my next ranked player in the class for most entertaining to watch. His stick skills are completely bonkers; ridiculously crafty and creative, and he's eager to challenge defenders.
Elmeri Laakso LD U18 Sarja TPS
Would be easy to write Laakso off since he played in the U18 league last year. If a Canadian was playing midget at 16 we wouldn't consider him a top prospect, but the difference here is that in Europe each age group is a feeder team for the next age up, and unfortunately for Laakso, the U20 team was simply stacked with good 19 and 20 year old defensemen. Needs to be more responsible with the puck, better in his own end, you know the drill, but one thing is for certain: this kid is dynamic. Rushes the puck end to end with a flair, and walks the offensive blueline with a very rare confidence.
Kasper Kulonummi RD U20 Sarja Jokerit
Was the captain of Finland's YOG team, and played for the U18 team under-age, he's more of a reliable two-way defenseman than Laakso, but also has some pretty good skills.
Germany
Julian Lutz F DEL EHC München
Canadian Francesco Pinelli went over to play in AlpsHL this year, Austria's second tier league, and was drafted 42nd overall. Lutz was a full year younger and put up almost identical p/g. Lutz also saw 7 games in the top league, ICEHL, and his 3 points in 7 games puts him best ever fr p/g by a U17 in that league by a wide margin, far ahead of Michael Grabner's 2 points in 14 games. Lutz will be playing in the DEL next year.
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2 hours ago, IBatch said:
He was sheltered this season too. Edler and Myers took the toughest minutes, killed the penalties. If your number one D isn't killing penalties it doesn't really fit the definition of number one D does it?
There is plenty of time for QHs to get better at that part of the game - mentioned Brian Campbell several times during the season - same size and could do it all. Except QHs will always put up more points.
His Vollman profile is identical to Makar. There are a million different ways to construct a team. If you can find an elite two-way D who plays 26 minutes a night, 2 or 3+ each on PK and PP, beautiful. But those guys are really tough to come by. If you have an elite offensive defenseman you ave to pay him what he's worth and find other players to PK.
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14 hours ago, khay said:
Yeah but he's an RFA that can't be offersheeted unlike Jones and Werenski who were about to get on the open market.
In other words, he has very little leverage other than threatening to sit out the season.
But I don't see him as that type of player.
All JB has to do is to not make a lowball offer so as to insult him to not wanting to stay in Van long term. Just negotiate in good faith, point out that he doesn't have much leverage and get him signed at 5.5 on a bridge deal (i.e., Boeser deal) or 7ish on a long term deal.
I don't think much leverage is required in this situation. The market dictates he is worth at least 8 long term. Although if he is looking for more than Heiskanen, things start to get a little dicey.
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2 minutes ago, Alienhuggyflow said:
While it's true he played with lesser competition I don't think that means all that much since the other side of the coin is he had very little skill around him. Look at the USNDP 2019 team, they were completely stacked and racked up tons of individual stats and some of those guys are showing maybe the team elevated a few who maybe shouldn't have been drafted so high. He also had six goals in the under 18s against the best prospects in the world and he looked very capable even on one of the weaker team's he managed to standout in the tourney. Sure small sample size but it's not like the Q is even the best JR league in Canada and is certainly weaker than the U18s
On your first point I assume you have his stats in mind? Well sure, but my point mainly wasn't about stats. It was that playing with and against lower levels of competition he's just not going to have the same quality of development. You can roughly only develop proportionally to the extent you are challenged. My point was just that the Q is just going to be a huge step up in quality of competition. Nothing controversial there.
On the bolded part, this is a mistake that's really easy to make. Actually I guess it is sort of two different mistakes. Quick, what's better, NCAA or ECHL? Really tricky to answer, because the ECHL is made up of former pretty good NCAA players, so of course on average ECHL players are better than NCAA players, since they are mostly the same players but a few years older and further developed. But the ECHL has lost all of the elite talents that were in NCAA but went on to higher pro levels. With Q vs. U18s, sure the top bunch of players are among the best players in the CHL (or wherever), but as you go down the list of top players in the tournament, before too long you're getting to players who aren't or wouldn't be top players in the Q.
Also, there are 26 ECHL teams, while there are 60 DI NCAA teams. The difference between the best and worst DI team is astronomical. I'm betting an elite NCAA team could beat most (any?) ECHL teams, but a bottom ranked DI team wouldn't have a chance against probably any team in the ECHL. Someone pointed out earlier in the thread that 5 of Klimovich's 6 goals came in the two games against Switzerland and Latvia.
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3 hours ago, 204CanucksFan said:
Stierlitz found what seems to be the most definitive answer to this question. Here is a copy of his post:
Found some interesting document online https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2020-21/2020-21TransitionRulesCriticalDates.pdf
Rule 13, Article 8 "For purposes of determining where a Player who is drafted in the 2021 NHL Draft was “drafted from” under the provisions of Article 8, a Player will be deemed to have been “drafted from” the league and team as follows:
i) if the Player played during the 2020-21 season, the league and team for which he played during the 2020-21 season as per traditional practice, provided, however:
A) if the Player played in a league outside North America during the 2020-21 season but had never played in a league outside North America prior to the 2020-21 season, the league and team for which he played during the 2019-20 season as per the traditional practice" - not our case, as well as following points B and C...
Klimovich is deemed to be drafted from Europe according to this NHL document published due to the covid situation in NA. Hooray! Welcome to Abbotsford, Danila!
Well no but even better, that means he could go to the Q this season and then make the jump to AHL the following season.
For everyone confused about the situation, here's the list of 18 year olds in AHL in the past 20 years, Elite Prospects - AHL Stats All-time season. Practically every one that played a full season and produced at a worthwhile pace was a first rounder, mostly high firsts. Also all came from first rate hockey countries so were accustomed to a much higher level of play than Klimovich is. Note that Zemgus Girgensons is not a counter-example, as he had already been playing in North America USHL for two years and was a 14th overall pick.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but we ought to have proper expectations. If he does play in the AHL full-time and contribute, we aren't going to say "yeah we knew that was going to happen". Rather we are going to say "holy $&!# Benning did it again."
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1 hour ago, Bure_Pavel said:
Then that's probably the move unless Abby can get him at least 12-15 mins a night consistently.
Would love if that was the case, but as I said earlier, if he is capable of that, then we have an absolute homerun steal of a pick on our hands. Also I'm doubtful he is able to play AHL at 19 if he plays Q, Someone posted earlier that he was confirmed to have signed a contract with a Q team last year before he was unable to come over, thus meaning he was technically drafted out of the CHL.
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AHL is quite a big reach for him - not that I'm doubting his abilities.
2022 NHL Entry Draft
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I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of people are going to be surprised and disappointed at the fall Savoie takes this year. Nothing like a Raty, and I do think Savoie has NHL superstar potential, but he's a January 1st birthday, only 5'10, and has some issues with consistency and immature play. I don't dislike the player, but there are a handful of players I personally like better at this point - namely Lambert, Nazar, Miroshnichenko, Luneau and Yurov.