Angry Goose

Not if he bounces back after his surgery. You act as if the future is already determined. The fact you even reference CAR is unnecessary drama your trying to create. he showed he can play last year-youre just flat out being a hater. grow up byeee

I think ANY player in those circumstances does not re-sign with their team. You want to motivate someone to someone to absolutely despise your org.//play their nastiest against you? That’s how you do it.

the naive and peanut brain logic that when someone gets injured, you then offer them a league minimum 2 way contract to sit in rehab is truly hilarious. Or just sad.

your reading comprehension is trash. I said: Playing match up mins and bring able to defend the rush/retrieve pucks and transition is a stabilizing force on the back end. Not being able to do that, leads to turnovers/giveaways. The opposite of being a stable, defensive player. But of course you read it/misinterpret it as Hughes wasnt able to do those things and hence needed Bear as his partner to do it. Of course that’s how you read it. Rough game indeed.

He’s in a tough situation now, and I like how people think trying to bend him over is going to help from a team building perspective . If you believe he can bounce back from his injury-work w him on good faith. If not, or the Canucks just cant manage his cap/LTIR situation then both parties probably need to look elsewhere.

whatever you say smurf. byeee

if you actually have a semi decent eye test, you can see that Bear did a very good job at puck retrievals, defending the rush, sealing off the boards. Hughes doesnt play by himself. good lord. and youre missing the point. he doesnt have to be a full time top 4 player-he can slot in and play comfortably when needed. That’s utility

doesnt have to be a good team. you think non playoff teams who are thin on the right side wouldn’t want/bet on Bear? c’mon

he has shown he can play in the top 4. Whether it was w Hughes or OEL he was a calm, stabilizing force on an atrocious team last year. Utility players like that have value. Hes a young RH D. Has utility and possibly how other teams view him-has some upside. He’s not a fringe NHLr. That’s just not a reasonable/fair evaluation of him. Given he plays a position of need, he could get a 2-3 year deal even w his injury. Its not a huge/risky bet, but if it hits there would be real value there.

Despite the injury, I think a young, utility RH D, w good character will have value in the open market. More than league minimum I bet. I wonder how negotiations have gone-it really depends on the numbers and factoring his injury/likely a down year. If the Canucks/Bear want to make it work I think you try to negotiate a contract that works in good faith. Hardballing him now is not going to sit well with Bear imo-he seems like a high character person.

another team could easily offer him a 2-3 year deal and have no problem putting him on LTIR this season to gain a hopefully healthy young RH D afterwards. think it through

sure, if you plan to walk away completely.

the problem w low balling is that its not how you treat employees you want to keep. If the Canucks dont qualify/dont offer him a contract its also the organizations way of saying we arnt invested in you and depending on how negotiations have gone, Bear could easily say he no longer wants to be a part of this org. either. Which is why I thought you try to work w him on good faith. Otherwise be prepared to part ways.

Just saying Larkin and PLD as your top 2 Cs would look pretty good/solve their longterm C issue

or you try to work w him in a 2 year deal? I think everyone including Bear knows it will be a tough season for him next year. 1st year 2 million 2nd year 2.5 million Canucks should be able to manage his cap hit LTIR wise and it I think its a good faith contract.

watch them go out and nab PLD

im here for the anger tho

PA drafted JL last year who is definitely more of a high ceiling/offensive talent type of player. If you read through this thread/research what scouts have said, Danielson’s production has as much to do with the team he was on/his commitment to playing the right way. That’s context. Personally I will always take solid play drivers any day of the week. Some scouts have stated there is untapped offensive upside to his game. If the Canucks scouting staff have a good read on him I would be happy adding him to the org. 2 way RH C’s are pretty valuable on a team. But this is also ignoring what the Canuck’s list is and how the draft plays out too. Could be someone rated higher on the Canucks list drops to #11. Its a fascinating draft and I wish the Canucks could snag 2-3 players in the 1st round.

I was thinking about who you go with btw Moore/Danielson. Both are similar yet very different if that makes any sense. You saying Moore’s rock bottom is 2C is very interesting. Him and Reinbacher were my two top selects at #11 if avail (and if you bypass Benson). And youve got Dvorsky rated even higher. This draft is going to be bananas looking back on it.

Sounds like an honest answer/mutual admiration to me though. It has been stated that Danielson didnt really have the most offensive playing environment hence his numbers dont pop. And scouts have said he was so focused on playing the right way/2 way game that it may have further hindered his individual stats. But of course he is a young kid you are trying to project. Question is whether you value his all around game/character (and position/RH) over more perhaps offensive impact players at #11. Id say 3C is his floor and 2C his ceiling. RH C that can play all situations. He’s a good skater and has good hands. Similarly a lot of the same reasons I like Willander as well.

Conor Bedard: "He (Danielson) was probably the guy that maybe gave me the hardest game," Bedard said. "He's so fast, so skilled. So if you turn it over or something, he's going to go down and do something. He's a great player." Doesnt really sound like Sutter to me imo.

Im not religious, but I am praying to god every night that the Bear injury does not lead to an OEL / Myers pairing again. I think both (especially oel) will bounce back next season, but nuke that pairing from orbit please. It’s the only way to be sure.

JS is my big hope bet for next season. Everything I read/hear about this kid makes me want to see him succeed. Love his attitude. And with the restrictions lifted on access to Canucks coaches, I really hope he’s able to have an impressive offseason.

Yeah. Reaction speed (processing/executing) is a seriously underrated trait. People take for granted what a skill it is.