Ilya Mikheyev Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 This is about as useful and correct as your thread on the Anaheim Ducks 'running away' with the President's trophy last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHLVancouverCanucksFan Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Give it time, like what A/V did with Hodgson, do the same with Kassian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Sturm or no sturm - make no difference. Booth - Sammy - Hasn't worked out, but seriously every GM would make that trade 100 time. No one could of predicted that. Kassian - Hodgson - Where would Hodgson go with Palhsson In?? Plus not like Hodgson would have carried this team on his back. Without Daniel he would have been even more exposed. He played limited minutes against good matchup. Sulzer wouldn't have a played a game in the playoff, so no point Sedin, Kesler, Burrows, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler should have been enough to get us past the Kings. Then the supporting player are the one that need to play well to make it to the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Signing Marco Sturm - No points for the Canucks, was invisible in 6 games played. Let Ehrhoff walk, sign Bieksa instead - Bieksa scores more points than Ehrhoff but our powerplay really struggles. It's not about the individual, its about the team and this team needed Ehrhoff more than Bieksa. Anyone would form a shutdown pair with Hamhuis, but not many can replace Ehrhoff on the powerplay point and the Sedins' point totals took a hit as well. Traded Sturm for Reinprecht - Reinprecht hasn't even played a Canuck game so far so this is already a loss, as Sturm has at least scored some points for Florida. Traded Samuelsson for Booth - Made sense at the time to trade for more youth and a bigger, physical body, but look at what happened. We lost a key veteran and leadership guy on our team and our best playoff performer. We lost probably our best powerplay specialist and someone with chemistry with the twins AND Kesler, all 3 of whom struggled offensively without him. Booth had 16 goals (3 PPG) and 29 points (+1 on a great plus-minus team) in 56 Canuck games. Samuelsson had 13 goals (6 PPG) and 28 points (+2 on a terrible plus-minus team) in 48 Panther games. Quite simply, Samuelsson produced more offence than Booth and now he has 3 important assists in 2 playoff games while Booth has 0 points in 3 games. Traded for Pahlsson - A great signing, 2 goals and 6 points in 19 regular season games but that equates to about 10 goals, under 30 points in a full season which are great 4th line numbers or very average 3rd line center numbers. Great utility player so I'll call this trade a win, even if his pricetag is a bit steep. Traded Hodgson for Kassian - Worst trade in the history of the franchise. We had a 20-goal scoring, 40-point player on our 3rd line who was insurance for us in case we had an injury to our top-6, and guess what: now we do. MG didn't trade Schneider in case Luongo was injured, so he shouldn't of traded Hodgson in case one of the Sedins got injured and look what happened. Plus, he was a great powerplay producer and now our PP has gone quiet. Worst of all, our depth scoring has shrivelled up as we replace a 20-goal scorer in Hodgson with a 10-goal-pace scorer in Pahlsson who isn't as great a playmaker as Hodgson, hence affecting Hansen's production too. Meanwhile Kassian has been a 4th line player for us making terrible giveaways this playoffs and rarely hitting anyone. Kassian had 1 goal in 17 Canuck games, Hodgson had 3 goals in 20 Buffalo games but still finished the season with 41 points while Kassian had 10 points (in half as many games played, a 20-point pace). Traded Sulzer for Gragnani - Sure Gragnani may have some future potential but he has been brutal for the Canucks defensively and is barely contributing offensively. Meanwhile, Sulzer exploded with 3 goals and 8 points in 15 Sabre games and was a +2 on a brutal +/- team. Gragnani meanwhile finished with 1 goal, 3 points and a -4 in 14 games on a good plus-team. So basically it has been a season full of bad trades and non-signings all based on how we fared last season in the playoffs against a tougher opponent, and now that we've lost most of our skilled, talented offensive forwards and defencemen MG will have to look to inject some talent back into our now-physical lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.G Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 I don't get how people don't realize the Hodgson trade had to happen. The kid asked for a trade and you don't want someone like that in your locker room while going for a cup run. Simple as that. Get over it, Cody is a little b%$#h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 You're telling me, that the offer for Hodgson was the BEST we could have got for him?? Pleeeaasee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 I remember being one of the only people on here actually sad when Samuelsson left. Sure, it was exciting at the time that we got Booth, but not at the price of Samuelsson. The only thing I disagree with you here is the signing of Bieksa. I think it was a good move still, he just needs to learn not to be too fancy. But I agree, MG screwed up real bad. Time for a new GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 ^ MG isn't a bad GM, his strength (not overpaying for players) can also be his weakness. We really need a player like Chris Neil or Steve Ott..... those players are rare. Bitz isn't as good as either of them and Kassian isn't even NHL ready IMO. Sometimes to get a player that we need and 29 other teams need you have to overpay. It isn't Gillis' fault that players aren't performing like they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodee Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 The one thing I agree with is the Sammy trade. If we had put CoHo between Sammy and Kes we would not have had Booth's big salary and we could have used the Booth cap AND the Sammy salary to negotiate for someone who actually does more than bang into people and skate down blind alleys. However he is ours now and I think we CAN turn him into a useful player if we teach him to get his head up and pass EARLY and then go to the net. He also needs to stop puck watching and mark his man in our zone much tighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmylu1 Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 AV's a moron for pissing Cody off, Everyone on here could see that Cody was being missused, with his linemates and ice time. Still Cody should've stuck through it and not asked for a trade, but you cant blame him. Pahlson still could have centered the 3rd line, with Cody centering Kesler and Booth, giving those 2 a playmaker. And if it was absolutling nessecary to trade Hodgson, get an impact player back or at least wait until the offseason. Instead we traded for Kassian who is not an impact player, 3 mins a night. I agree we needed toughness but for the cost of our promising young center, come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanford Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Fire Mike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tru_Knyte Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 The problem with the team this year is a lack of identity. In the years prior MG preached about speed and skill winning games. This year he tried to toughen up the team but in doing so created something that is halfway between skill and grit, but not fully successful in either. As a result, we have a team that is on the whole weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 The problem with the team this year is a lack of identity. In the years prior MG preached about speed and skill winning games. This year he tried to toughen up the team but in doing so created something that is halfway between skill and grit, but not fully successful in either. As a result, we have a team that is on the whole weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfall Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 When I think of the Kassian trade I think politics. I wouldn't say that MG wanted to sabatoge the team but he had to pick player vs coach and picked coach. Using the cards of internal conflict, young players taking a while to develop and need for physical and defensive responsibility it could be justifiable for MG. It also gave AV what he wanted. Kassian is an AV type of player: gritty, fast enough to forecheck and go on D and will listen blindly to the coach without questioning things. If AV gets the players he wants and fails then he's gone. I think MG is setting himself up for next year to restructure the team with a new coach and trading chip in Schneider. Really I think the team wants to trade for a sick offensive player and/or stud defenseman next year. Either they win the cup or they bring in a coach that plays a more dynamic, intuitive system based in flow and maximizing abilities. When I think about it hodgson is slow and although for this team was considered a good offensive player, he's not the ideal offensive player. The ideal player would be faster and that can be addressed next year. However to have a pure offensive player buried on a third line would be a waste and demoralizing. I think MG knows what he's doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Yep, I remember them saying on TSN that one GM was pissed because he really wanted Hodgson but didn't know that he was available and that he talked with MG about him before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamHerO Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 coho asked for the trade mike gillis isnt a moron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmylu1 Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 RIGHHTTT HOOOKAAAYYYY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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